Megiddo and Gog/Magog are NOT the same events

[Joshua1987]

A lot of people think they are the same but they are not according to Revelation 20:7-8

7.) When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8.) and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle.

Weird.

Read Revleation 19...the Anti Christ is defeated...Satan is bound for the 1000 years...only for ANOTHER battle to occur afterwards.

 

[Straightshot]

There are two human rebellions involved .... one at the end of the coming tribulation period [Ezekiel 38; 39]

And the next at the end of the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth [Revelation 20:7-8]

Gog and Magog are symbolic terms use in both cases

"Gog" is Satan .... and "Magog" represents the rebelling nations

 

[Joshua1987]

Hmm...well even THAT is something I've never heard before.

Either way...Chronologically speaking...just reading the Text...and anyone can do it...there are TWO different events here.

I see so many Youtubers making videos and always want to use the word 'Anti-Christ' in conjunction with Gog and Magog but careful reading of the text reveals that's not quite right.

 

[Straightshot]

Actually the Lord is addressing Satan in Ezekiel 38:17 .... and this devil is "anti-christ" to the max .... he is "against" Jesus Christ

Satan is the one who instigates human rebellion against the Lord [Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28]

He is the one who will contrive the triad of his beast in the human little horn of Daniel's visions .... this entity is who some refer to as the "anti-christ" [Daniel 7; 8; 11:36-45; 12:7; Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

Abaddon/Apollyon is a fallen angel like Satan, the human little horn will be a king of the northern Middle East [Micah 5;5-6], and the false prophet of Revelation is another fallen angel like Satan who will lead the cult religion of Abaddon/Apollyon .... the adherents of Islam

And after the 1000 years of the Lord's kingdom upon the earth, Satan will again lead the last human rebellion directly himself by deceiving the nations of the the millennium [Revelation 20:7-9]

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

A lot of people think they are the same but they are not according to Revelation 20:7-8

7.) When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8.) and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle.

Weird.

Read Revleation 19...the Anti Christ is defeated...Satan is bound for the 1000 years...only for ANOTHER battle to occur afterwards.

I guess you would have to examine who Gog and Magog really are. We know Magog is Japheth's son.
Genesis 10:
2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Notice that only the offspring of Gomer and Javan is listed. Did Magog produce any children?

Gog is here

1 Chron.5:
4 The sons of Joel; Shemaiah his son, GOG his son, Shimei his son,

5 Micah his son, Reaia his son, Baal his son,

6 Beerah his son, whom Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria carried away captive: he was prince of the Reubenites.

 

[Straightshot]

"1 Chron.5:
4 The sons of Joel; Shemaiah his son, GOG his son, Shimei his son"


This gog above is not the gog referenced in Ezekiel 38 .... there is no relationship

The Lord addresses Satan as "gog", His adversary, and Israel's virulent enemy [Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28:12; 38:17]

The term is symbolic and used to define Satan's role in both rebellions 1000 years apart

The inhabitants of the post flood land Magog are symbolic of the rebelling nations during the early post flood era

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

"1 Chron.5:
4 The sons of Joel; Shemaiah his son, GOG his son, Shimei his son"


This gog above is not the gog referenced in Ezekiel 38 .... there is no relationship

The Lord addresses Satan as "gog", His adversary, and Israel's virulent enemy [Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28:12; 38:17]

Ok so what about Magog?

 

[Straightshot]

Read post #6

The inhabitants of the land of Magog were the outgrowth of man's rebellion against the Lord at Babel [Genesis 10, 11]

Asshur [Genesis 10:11] migrated northward to the same land and founded Nineveh which became the core of the Assyrian Empire .... the Magogites were driven over the Caucasus divide

So this same land area has become symbolic of human rebellion against the Lord instigated by the devil himself [Micah 5:5-6; Revelation 13:1-4]

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Read post #6

The inhabitants of the land of Magog were the outgrowth of man's rebellion against the Lord at Babel [Genesis 10, 11]

Asshur [Genesis 10:11] migrated northward to the same land and founded Nineveh which became the core of the Assyrian Empire .... the Magogites were driven over the Caucasus divide

So this same land area has become symbolic of human rebellion against the Lord instigated by the devil himself [Micah 5:5-6; Revelation 13:1-4]

So you are saying Magog is an attitude of rebellion and not the offspring of Japheth who had a son called Magog? Very interesting interpretation. Nineveh is in Iraq.
So Gog =Satan
Magog= Rebellion instigated by Satan

 

[Straightshot]

Magog was of the off spring of Japheth and his early progeny in his land is used in biblical prophecy to exemplify human rebellion against the Lord .... it is the "land" of Magog in northwester Mesopotamia that the Lord points to as He speaks to Satan

This same region is still Satan's nesting today and where the little horn of Daniel's visions will rise at the time of the end [Syria/Iraq]

 

[precepts]

There are two human rebellions involved .... one at the end of the coming tribulation period [Ezekiel 38; 39]

And the next at the end of the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth [Revelation 20:7-8]

Gog and Magog are symbolic terms use in both cases

"Gog" is Satan .... and "Magog" represents the rebelling nations

Prove it using scripture, Gog being Satan and Magog representing the rebelling nations.

 

[precepts]

Magog was of the off spring of Japheth and his early progeny in his land is used in biblical prophecy to exemplify human rebellion against the Lord .... it is the "land" of Magog in northwester Mesopotamia that the Lord points to as He speaks to Satan

This same region is still Satan's nesting today and where the little horn of Daniel's visions will rise at the time of the end [Syria/Iraq]

Again where is the proof, Satan's nesting?

 

[Straightshot]

I do no spend any time with those on a forum who report others .... a waste of time

.... but the proof is in the Lord's more sure word of prophecy .... all the proof that one needs

Find it for yourself

 

[precepts]

Please! I know for sure there is no proof for your claims, nothing in scripture that says or even implies what you're claiming.

If there was a delete button, I would have deleted my replies yesterday, because I regretted doing them right after I pressed the last reply button.

It dawned on me right after I pressed the last reply button that this would be just another waste of my time.

 

[Bobgf]

There are two human rebellions involved .... one at the end of the coming tribulation period [Ezekiel 38; 39]

And the next at the end of the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth [Revelation 20:7-8]

Gog and Magog are symbolic terms use in both cases

"Gog" is Satan .... and "Magog" represents the rebelling nations

Hi Straightshot

I disagree that the Gog-Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is different from the God-Magog of Revelation 20:7-8


Revelation 20:7-8 is just an abbreviated account of a more detailed account given in Ezekiel 38-39.

In both accounts, Gog attacks Jerusalem with nations coming from the four corners of the world.


Jerusalem is at the very center of the world's nations (Ezekiel 5:5) and the four Corners of the world are the nations far North, South, East and West of Jerusalem (Revelation 7:1)


In the abbreviated account, Revelation 20:8 says Satan will deceive the nations at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog to gather them for battle.

Then in the more detailed account of Ezekiel 38:5-6 we learn that the nations going with Gog are Persia, Cush, Put, Gomer and Beth Togarmah.

Gomer and Beth Togarmah are about 1000 miles North of Jerusalem
Cush (Ethiopia) is about 1000 miles South of Jerusalem
Persia (Iran) is about 1000 miles East of Jerusalem.
Put (Libya) is about 1000 miles West of Jerusalem


This shows a one to one correspondence between Ezekiel 38:5-6 and Revelation 20:8
The four nations Gog brings to attack Jerusalem are at the four corners of the world with Jerusalem at their center.

Bob..

 

[Straightshot]

"I disagree that the Gog-Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is different from the God-Magog ofRevelation 20:7-8"


I don't concur Bob

Two different rebellions, from different directions, different outcomes, 1000 years apart

The first attack upon Israel will come at the middle of the 70th week decreed for Israel resulting in the battle of Armageddon 1260 days later at the end of the tribulation period [Ezekiel 38;39]

Ancient post flood settlement names are used of the original of today's Middle Eastern states:

Persia [southern Iran], Cush [Iraq], Put [Syria], Gomer [northern Iran] and Beth Togarmah [Turkey]

All of these will invade Israel at its northern extents .... the only practical way to muster and transport an invading army into the region

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2742665,43.7829874,5z

The rebellion after the Lord's 1000 year millennial kingdom will come from the 4 quarters of the earth

Also notice that after the battle of Armageddon [Ezekiel 38; 39; Revelation 19:11-21], Satan is sent to the abyss [Revelation 20:1-3 ] .... the next rebellion that he will instigate will come 1000 years later when he is released from the abyss

 

[Bobgf]

"I disagree that the Gog-Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is different from the God-Magog ofRevelation 20:7-8"


I don't concur Bob

Two different rebellions, from different directions, different outcomes, 1000 years apart

The first attack upon Israel will come at the middle of the 70th week decreed for Israel resulting in the battle of Armageddon 1260 days later at the end of the tribulation period [Ezekiel 38;39]

Ancient post flood settlement names are used of the original of today's Middle Eastern states:

Persia [southern Iran], Cush [Iraq], Put [Syria], Gomer [northern Iran] and Beth Togarmah [Turkey]

All of these will invade Israel at its northern extents .... the only practical way to muster and transport an invading army into the region

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2742665,43.7829874,5z

The rebellion after the Lord's 1000 year millennial kingdom will come from the 4 quarters of the earth

Also notice that after the battle of Armageddon [Ezekiel 38; 39; Revelation 19:11-21], Satan is sent to the abyss [Revelation 20:1-3 ] .... the next rebellion that he will instigate will come 1000 years later when he is released from the abyss

The dozens of English translations of Ezekiel 38:5 all show Persia, Cush and Put translated respectively as Iran, Ethiopia and Lybia just as I have them. These are each about 1000 miles east, south and west of Jerusalem. Just check this link:

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Ezekiel 38:5


Straightshot have you considered that your chronology may be wrong? It seems more likely that the millennial kingdom comes just after the fifth seal, and before the sixth seal.

Bob..

 

[Straightshot]

The reference to the northern locations of Cush and Put were the early post flood settlements before migrations to further extents .... just as the others before migrations

And I see no connection with your idea of using the seals to verify your position

The seals are portents of the tribulation to come and not the actual tribulation events which begin in chapter 8

The seals represent prevalent conditions on the earth which will exist during the tribulation to come:

Spreading of the gospel of the Lord's millennial kingdom to come at the end of the tribulation period
Intense satanic and human warfare
Worldwide economic collapse
Massive human death
Martyrdom of those who become Christians during the tribulation
Environmental upheaval
Human response to the Lord's unprecedented judgment

 

[Bobgf]

The reference to the northern locations of Cush and Put were the early post flood settlements before migrations to further extents .... just as the others before migrations

And I see no connection with your idea of using the seals to verify your position

The seals are portents of the tribulation to come and not the actual tribulation events which begin in chapter 8

The seals represent prevalent conditions on the earth which will exist during the tribulation to come:

Spreading of the gospel of the Lord's millennial kingdom to come at the end of the tribulation period
Intense satanic and human warfare
Worldwide economic collapse
Massive human death
Martyrdom of those who become Christians during the tribulation
Environmental upheaval
Human response to the Lord's unprecedented judgment

Yes, the seals are portents of coming events, but also the seals are event markers which chronologically establish when different events like God-Magog and Armageddon do occur in time.


The chronological placement of the millennial kingdom is important because of the seemingly weird results. Satan loses at the beginning of the millennium when he is chained up for 1000 years, but when he is unchained at the end of the millennium, he then apparently wins by deceiving the whole world numbering like the sand of the seas.

Generally this millennial event (Revelation 19:11-20:10) is understood to occur just after Armageddon, when the world comes to an end, followed by the great white throne judgment of Revelation 20:11 and the new heaven and earth of Revelation 21

This false chronology leads us to conclude that the Saviour of the World does not save the world!


What is missing is the mystery of salvation which Paul alludes to in Romans 11:25-32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. This mystery applies to fallen Israel and to those numbering like the sands of the seas whom Satan has deceived at the end of the millennium. The Saviour of the world will save these people!


A true chronology places the millennial event between the fifth and sixth seals of Revelation 6:9-12

With this chronology the dead are raised and judged after the sixth seal Revelation 20:5 when they will be given an opportunity to repent. The regenerated earth occurs at the sixth seal when Christ comes in his glory to judge mankind Matthew 19:28.

Christ will reign as king with David as prince for thousands of years fulfilling God's sworn promise to give Israel the land of Canaan Psalms 105:7-11

Afterwards will come the seventh seal when the wicked will be judged 2 Peter 3:7

Bob..

 

[Straightshot]

"Yes, the seals are portents of coming events, but also the seals are event markers which chronologically establish when different events like God-Magog and Armageddon do occur in time."


I don't think so .... I believe the seals are for defining conditions upon the earth during the tribulation period without any sequencing intended

All of the conditions noted will exist throughout the tribulation period

I think that your idea of trying to use them for lining specific events can be misleading to the extent that it can skew your exegetical view which must come from a different set of linchpins