Mediums

[Phantasman]

My wife and I have been watching the Long Island Medium. If your not familiar with this show, it is a reality show of a family and the mother is a woman who can channel dead spirits. She seems likable, and no matter where she goes, she talks with people and strikes up conversations and starts telling the person (that she never met) about a loved one or two that is sending them messages beyond the grave.

These messages get pretty exact. Names, instances, right out of the blue as the camera's follow her. It's quite interesting. And the woman, at the end, says God bless.

Now what inspired me to start this post was a thread in which He-man had been speaking about the use of necromancy and familiar spirits. Even though what this woman does seems innocent and helpful to some, the end result does not seem to edify God, the Son of God or the Holy Spirit in any way. It would appear to even make disbelievers of the actual truth Jesus spoke. This would be the place for what He-man was speaking of when we were talking of Ob. Unless someone else has something to voice.

Do you think dead people really talk to these people? How do they get their messages?

I will add a special favor to ask. Please confine this discussion to the OP.

 

[Forge3]

Not sure. My visions have come true. You speak of a psychic experience. Not sure this is supported by the Church.

 

[gord44]

I'm sure it's possible. I don't see why not. If anything it lets people know there is still some magic in this disenchanted world.

 

[Valekhai]

My wife and I have been watching the Long Island Medium. If your not familiar with this show, it is a reality show of a family and the mother is a woman who can channel dead spirits. She seems likable, and no matter where she goes, she talks with people and strikes up conversations and starts telling the person (that she never met) about a loved one or two that is sending them messages beyond the grave.

These messages get pretty exact. Names, instances, right out of the blue as the camera's follow her. It's quite interesting. And the woman, at the end, says God bless.

Now what inspired me to start this post was a thread in which He-man had been speaking about the use of necromancy and familiar spirits. Even though what this woman does seems innocent and helpful to some, the end result does not seem to edify God, the Son of God or the Holy Spirit in any way. It would appear to even make disbelievers of the actual truth Jesus spoke. This would be the place for what He-man was speaking of when we were talking of Ob. Unless someone else has something to voice.

Do you think dead people really talk to these people? How do they get their messages?

I will add a special favor to ask. Please confine this discussion to the OP.

I haven't seen the show, but I have seen some videos with that woman doing what you said, walking around and striking up conversations with random people. It looked to me like she was pretty obviously using cold reading (Google it if you aren't familiar; I can't post links). On her show, I'd imagine they edit it to make her look good, removing all the missed guesses and probably making it look like she's picked a detail out of thin air when the person she's talking to has actually led her right to it.

I don't know if talking to the dead is possible. What I do know is that it is possible for charlatans to fake it. I don't know if this woman is one of them, but I suspect she is.

 

[Ran77]

My wife and I have been watching the Long Island Medium. If your not familiar with this show, it is a reality show of a family and the mother is a woman who can channel dead spirits. She seems likable, and no matter where she goes, she talks with people and strikes up conversations and starts telling the person (that she never met) about a loved one or two that is sending them messages beyond the grave.

These messages get pretty exact. Names, instances, right out of the blue as the camera's follow her. It's quite interesting. And the woman, at the end, says God bless.

Now what inspired me to start this post was a thread in which He-man had been speaking about the use of necromancy and familiar spirits. Even though what this woman does seems innocent and helpful to some, the end result does not seem to edify God, the Son of God or the Holy Spirit in any way. It would appear to even make disbelievers of the actual truth Jesus spoke. This would be the place for what He-man was speaking of when we were talking of Ob. Unless someone else has something to voice.

Do you think dead people really talk to these people? How do they get their messages?

I will add a special favor to ask. Please confine this discussion to the OP.

I think it is possible for the spirits of the dead to speak to the living, but I personally doubt that that is what is happening with these mediums. However, evil spirits would know the information that the mediums are sharing with the living. I don't know what their purpose for doing so would be though.

 

[JohnRabbit]

I think it is possible for the spirits of the dead to speak to the living, but I personally doubt that that is what is happening with these mediums. However, evil spirits would know the information that the mediums are sharing with the living. I don't know what their purpose for doing so would be though.

seems hard for me to see, what i've highlighted in blue, to this verse:

Ecclesiastes 9:5(NKJV)
5For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten.

how can he, who knows nothing, speak to anyone?!


Isaiah 26:14(NKJV)
14They are dead, they will not live; They are deceased, they will not rise. Therefore You have punished and destroyed them, And made all their memory to perish. (heb 9:27)

 

[gord44]

seems hard for me to see, what i've highlighted in blue, to this verse:

Ecclesiastes 9:5(NKJV)
5For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten.

how can he, who knows nothing, speak to anyone?!


Isaiah 26:14(NKJV)
14They are dead, they will not live; They are deceased, they will not rise. Therefore You have punished and destroyed them, And made all their memory to perish. (heb 9:27)

I don't think the Jews really believed in an afterlife until Greek ideas started getting into their culture (brought by Alexander perhaps?). The authors of Ecclesiastes and Isaiah probably thought that once you were dead, you were dead.

The OP was more towards probably a Christian view of the afterlife and ability to communicate with the dead.

 

[JohnRabbit]

I don't think the Jews really believed in an afterlife until Greek ideas started getting into their culture (brought by Alexander perhaps?). The authors of Ecclesiastes and Isaiah probably thought that once you were dead, you were dead.

The OP was more towards probably a Christian view of the afterlife and ability to communicate with the dead.

on what i highlighted, i thought physics says the same thing.

i read job 14:14 that there was a belief in the after life, believed in a time, that is even before the jews were born!

 

[Evergreen48]

My wife and I have been watching the Long Island Medium. If your not familiar with this show, it is a reality show of a family and the mother is a woman who can channel dead spirits. She seems likable, and no matter where she goes, she talks with people and strikes up conversations and starts telling the person (that she never met) about a loved one or two that is sending them messages beyond the grave.

These messages get pretty exact. Names, instances, right out of the blue as the camera's follow her. It's quite interesting. And the woman, at the end, says God bless.

Now what inspired me to start this post was a thread in which He-man had been speaking about the use of necromancy and familiar spirits. Even though what this woman does seems innocent and helpful to some, the end result does not seem to edify God, the Son of God or the Holy Spirit in any way. It would appear to even make disbelievers of the actual truth Jesus spoke. This would be the place for what He-man was speaking of when we were talking of Ob. Unless someone else has something to voice.

Do you think dead people really talk to these people? How do they get their messages?

I will add a special favor to ask. Please confine this discussion to the OP.

I don't believe dead people can talk to the living, and I agree with Valekhai that it is fake ---- all of these reality shows are soooo fake, and this one is just another one of those.

I also believe that we err greatly when we try to talk to people who have died, for if they are bad, evil people, scripture says that the grave will consume them as "drought and heat consume snow waters, and they shall be remembered no more, and wickedness is broken as a tree". ( As almost everyone who dies; even wicked people, leave someone behind who will remember them for a while. Even Hitler who was deemed by almost everyone to be one of the world's most wicked men is still remembered by most. So, obviously it would be God who remembers them no more.) As for those who have moved on into the heavenly realm and are now inhabiting their spiritual bodies, they are still subservient to God, only he being able to hear our supplications through the only medium that man has with him: his Son Jesus Christ, our ONE Lord and Saviour.

I do believe those who have gone on to be with the Lord are not subject to any disappointments are sorrows such as they had experienced here on earth with the rest of us, and to think that they would be able to hear us with our troubles and tribulations that earthly life sometimes offers; even be able to answer us, would be to break the eternal bliss they are now enjoying. Having 'aired' my opinion on the matter, I will say, however, that a recent event in my life does almost convince me that maybe sometimes God does allow those loved ones of ours who have gone on to that eternal bliss and happiness to sometimes view some of the happy scenes from the lives of those whom they loved here on earth, and that so being part of their happiness and delight in their heavenly home.

 

[Ran77]

seems hard for me to see, what i've highlighted in blue, to this verse:

How would you then explain those who were dead that came and spoke with Jesus?

 

[Soulgazer]

My wife and I have been watching the Long Island Medium. If your not familiar with this show, it is a reality show of a family and the mother is a woman who can channel dead spirits. She seems likable, and no matter where she goes, she talks with people and strikes up conversations and starts telling the person (that she never met) about a loved one or two that is sending them messages beyond the grave.

These messages get pretty exact. Names, instances, right out of the blue as the camera's follow her. It's quite interesting. And the woman, at the end, says God bless.

Now what inspired me to start this post was a thread in which He-man had been speaking about the use of necromancy and familiar spirits. Even though what this woman does seems innocent and helpful to some, the end result does not seem to edify God, the Son of God or the Holy Spirit in any way. It would appear to even make disbelievers of the actual truth Jesus spoke. This would be the place for what He-man was speaking of when we were talking of Ob. Unless someone else has something to voice.

Do you think dead people really talk to these people? How do they get their messages?

I will add a special favor to ask. Please confine this discussion to the OP.

We go on belief. There is a lot of stuff we are not given to know. This is one of those discussions where we are asked to judge other people and so I am not going to pass judgment on the woman or her beliefs. Her belief just does not coincide with my belief, so I will not be asking her for her services.

 

[Senecharnix]

Not sure. My visions have come true. You speak of a psychic experience. Not sure this is supported by the Church.

To heck with what the Church supports. There is nothing inherently wrong with psychic experiences. God blesses some folks with keen psychic abilities, including intuitive insight. But fooling around with mediums is dangerous. Those who are true mediums channel spirits, many of which are evil....

 

[JohnRabbit]

How would you then explain those who were dead that came and spoke with Jesus?

who were they?

 

[Ran77]

who were they?

Mark 9: 2-8

2. And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves; and he was transfigured before them.

3. And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

4. And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.


Elias and Moses were dead. They came to the mountain and Jesus spoke with them.

 

[daq]

Mark 9: 2-8

2. And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves; and he was transfigured before them.

3. And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

4. And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.


Elias and Moses were dead. They came to the mountain and Jesus spoke with them.

God is not the God of the dead but the Living.
Therefore Moses and Elias were not dead, (in the vision).

 

[JCFantasy23]

I believe in psychic ability, but I have a hard time buying that people can communicate with the dead.

 

[gasman64]

I wonder if we should change their names from mediums to averages....

 

[daq]

I wonder if we should change their names from mediums to averages....

If the medium seeks out the dead then the medium is no different than the average walking dead. Therefore heed the commandment and do not seek out the dead medium.

 

[Ran77]

God is not the God of the dead but the Living.
Therefore Moses and Elias were not dead, (in the vision).

That's lovely. However, the truth of the matter is that both Moses and Elias had died some time previously. They no longer had physical bodies. Attempting to confuse spiritual death with physical death really doesn't alter that point at all.

And I see no mention of this being a vision. Peter, James, and John all saw Moses and Elias. And Jesus spoke with them.

 

[Ran77]

If the medium seeks out the dead then the medium is no different than the average walking dead. Therefore heed the commandment and do not seek out the dead medium.

Wouldn't you need a medium to seek out dead mediums in the first place?