medical students boycotting lectures on evolution

someguy14 · Dec 1, 2012

CabVet said:
That was not my question, you are avoiding it again. The question was: is there anybody in the world with enough faith to move a mountain? You still did not give me a yes or no answer.

If one is refusing to believe in the fact that all of Gods own can do all things, that one is rejecting God.

someguy14 · Dec 1, 2012

And yes, all that have rejected the words that I have typed that are for the glory of God, have rejected God, and the judgement will reveal them.

someguy14 · Dec 1, 2012

Metal Minister said:
Wait, are you claiming I'm an "unbeliever"?

One is claiming that they are an unbeliever by stating that "be ye therefore perfect" is against God.

Tiberius · Dec 1, 2012

someguy14 said:
Read your post again. Your making the accusation. Post a link.

You mean I am saying that Jamin's premise contradict each other? You want a link? Even though I have already explained myself?

Fine. Post 205 of this thread, in which Jamin says, "YEC covers the last 6,000 years. Gap covers the last 12,982 years. OEC covers all the way back to the beginning, that would pretty much be the last 12 Billion years or at least the 4.6 billion years the earth has been around."

The contradiction arises because YEC claims that the Earth and the universe did not exist prior to 6000 years ago. And if the universe didn't exist before 6000 years ago, what are the gap and OEC talking about? Please note that I explained this very clearly in post 217.

Now, do you still think that these ideas are not contradictory? Do you think it's perfectly normal to talk about the things happening a million years ago on a 6000 year old planet?

I mean, really, it's like me trying to talk about what you were doing two centuries ago? Sure, I knew you didn't exist back then, but still, what were you doing? See how the question makes no sense? My premises contradict each other (my premises being 1. that you didn't exist back then and 2. that you were doing things). Same thing here. Jamin's premises don't make any sense, because they contradict each other. If he's got one premise that says the Earth and the universe did not exist prior to 6000 years ago, then he can't have another premise that says that the Earth and the universe DID exist back then.

Tiberius · Dec 1, 2012

someguy14 said:
"Don't do wicked", is good.

Yes, it is good advice.

You don;t need to bundle it together with, "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand," or "The One that one desires is eternal." That's a sales pitch. And when you say, "Give without expectation of receiving something in return," well, gee I do that anyway. I don't need God to convince me of that.

However, it's a typical ploy to bundle a sales pitch in with good advice. The good advice leads people to think they should follow ALL of what you say. The danger comes from the fact that there might be some not-so-good advice in there too.

someguy14 · Dec 1, 2012

Tiberius said:
Fine. Post 205 of this thread, in which Jamin says, "YEC covers the last 6,000 years. Gap covers the last 12,982 years. OEC covers all the way back to the beginning, that would pretty much be the last 12 Billion years or at least the 4.6 billion years the earth has been around."

The contradiction arises because YEC claims that the Earth and the universe did not exist prior to 6000 years ago. And if the universe didn't exist before 6000 years ago, what are the gap and OEC talking about? Please note that I explained this very clearly in post 217.

The problem arises when one meld's the "yec" with the Holy Bible. One must take into account how long Adam was before the "forbidden" tree.

One thing is certain, God is perfect and all things are possible. How come Adam died...wickedness. Without wickedness, Adam is eternal. Since death did not exist. It is far deeper than some part time professors claim.

someguy14 · Dec 1, 2012

Tiberius said:
Yes, it is good advice.

You don;t need to bundle it together with, "Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand," or "The One that one desires is eternal." That's a sales pitch. And when you say, "Give without expectation of receiving something in return," well, gee I do that anyway. I don't need God to convince me of that.

However, it's a typical ploy to bundle a sales pitch in with good advice. The good advice leads people to think they should follow ALL of what you say. The danger comes from the fact that there might be some not-so-good advice in there too.

Trust only in truth. You cannot accuse me of "deceiving" one when I say that truth is truth. Can a flesh doubt they can walk on water, only if they ignore the truth itself, that all things are possible. Set yourself free. The truth is, God is that freedom, where mere mankind fails, we witness it, yet with the perfection, God himself, all things are possible. One that believes in science and rejects God is one that hasn't come far enough yet. As science tests baby steps upon baby steps, God answers all up front. Can certain ingrediants cure a disease...maybe...then, let me test it...then yes, if measured correctly...then yes, it can. When God is saying yes, all things are possible. Taking many steps to a conclusion does not make it seperate from truth. It is stretching it out, perhaps to ones delusional benefit, monetary wise or selfishness wise, yet God is saying it is possible. So figure it out with faith and lack of doubt and find it out immediately instead of doubting and wasting time until it is too late.

With God, all things are possible.

Each have witnessed me attacked for claiming that with God all things are possbile and "be ye therefore perfect" is possible. Yet it will stand firm eternal. With God, all things are possible.

46AND2 · Dec 1, 2012

someguy14 said:
Thank you for responding.

Belief in God is about repenting of wicked ways.

Sorry, but belief has nothing to do with repentance.

In fact, one has to recognize the sins for which repentance is necessary. But to do so, one must already accept the rules set forth by the being who is the subject of said belief.

Indeed, one must already believe in order to repent of wicked ways.

razeontherock · Dec 1, 2012

46AND2 said:
Sorry, but belief has nothing to do with repentance.

You have no idea what "believing in Him" means; you just demonstrated that.

46AND2 said:
In fact, one has to recognize the sins for which repentance is necessary. But to do so, one must already accept the rules set forth by the being who is the subject of said belief.

Indeed, one must already believe in order to repent of wicked ways.

This does not quite add up to 48. Perhaps you've never heard of a "controlled experiment?"

Jamin4422 · Dec 1, 2012

Tiberius said:
The contradiction arises because YEC claims that the Earth and the universe did not exist prior to 6000 years ago.

Bishop Ussher never really says that. He give a very brief commentary on chapter one in Genesis. That takes up a page or two. Then he does about 2000 pages in his book on the last 6,000 years. The Bible is a history on the generations. "Gen 2:4 These are the generations" It is amazing how simple this stuff is and people just do not seem to grasp it.

08435 // hdlwt // towl@dah // to-led-aw' // or
// hdlt // tol@dah // to-led-aw' //

from 03205 ; TWOT - 867g; n f pl

AV - generations 38, birth 1; 39

1) descendants, results, proceedings, generations, genealogies
1a) account of men and their descendants
1a1) genealogical list of one's descendants
1a2) one's contemporaries
1a3) course of history (of creation etc)
1b) begetting or account of heaven (metaph)

Tomk80 · Dec 1, 2012

Jamin4422 said:
Bishop Ussher never really says that.

Young Earth Creationists do. See for example answers in genesis.

And actually, he did actually say that the year of creation was 4004 BC, 23 October 4004 BC to be exact. He specifically specifies that the be the day of creation, not creation of man (see here for the actual text).

46AND2 · Dec 1, 2012

razeontherock said:
You have no idea what "believing in Him" means; you just demonstrated that.

This does not quite add up to 48. Perhaps you've never heard of a "controlled experiment?"

No, I know what YOU think "believing in Him" means.

Repentance may or may not be a product of belief, but it does nothing to define belief.

In fact, your own Bible states this in James 2:19. Even the demons believe, but they are hardly repentant.

CabVet · Dec 1, 2012

someguy14 said:
All that disagree with God are liars. For God is truth.

That is not what the verse says.

CabVet · Dec 1, 2012

someguy14 said:
If one is refusing to believe in the fact that all of Gods own can do all things, that one is rejecting God.

That was not my question, you are avoiding it again. The question was: is there anybody in the world with enough faith to move a mountain? You still did not give me a yes or no answer.

razeontherock · Dec 2, 2012

46AND2 said:
Even the demons believe, but they are hardly repentant.

Do you really think they believe, in the same way that a believer "believes in Him?" You are doing really well at being dishonest in your attempts to twist and distort what is said. Why?

razeontherock · Dec 2, 2012

CabVet said:
is there anybody in the world with enough faith to move a mountain?

Happens all the time

razeontherock · Dec 2, 2012

Tomk80 said:
he did actually say that the year of creation was 4004 BC, 23 October 4004 BC to be exact.

Crazy stuff!

Tiberius · Dec 2, 2012

someguy14 said:
The problem arises when one meld's the "yec" with the Holy Bible. One must take into account how long Adam was before the "forbidden" tree.

Nope, doesn't work.

Jamin very clearly stated that YEC covers the last 6000 years ONLY. If you want to claim that Adam was around for a long time before the forbidden fruit thing, then it's no longer YEC, is it? And even if you do make that claim, you are still contradicting gap and OEC.

So it's still contradictory.

razeontherock · Dec 2, 2012

Tiberius said:
Nope, doesn't work.

Jamin very clearly stated that YEC covers the last 6000 years ONLY. If you want to claim that Adam was around for a long time before the forbidden fruit thing, then it's no longer YEC, is it? And even if you do make that claim, you are still contradicting gap and OEC.

So it's still contradictory.

Well, you can get carried away with 3 letter acronyms all you want. The Bible still never says a word about how long Adam may have lived before his fall. Could've been millions of years, could've been one day. Any position one might take on this issue is speculation - and rather misses the point of hearing what the Lord is trying to say in the passage

TLK Valentine · Dec 2, 2012

razeontherock said:
Happens all the time

You'll have better luck with dynamite.

"The priests used to say that faith can move mountains, and nobody believed them. Today the scientists say that they can level mountains, and nobody doubts them." -- Joseph Campbell

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