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Mechanics of Communion

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NO attempt at argument, merely fact finding for my fundamentalist bretheren. What are the mechanics of your communion services? Do you require confession and fasting for an hour like the RC? Do you pass the bread and wine as we do or only bread as the RC? Do you do it at every service or only occasionally? Do you "fence the table" by warning non-Christians away or do you have an open table?

If you want to throw in what it means go ahead, my understanding is that you consider it a mystery as part of your emphasis on apaphatic (negative) theology. However, I am most curious about the mechanics of it.

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Hi, cubanito.

I can give you a few of the answers. Every Divine Liturgy (served on Sundays, all Feast Days, and sometimes during the week, depending on the parish) is for the receiving of the Holy Mysteries. We line up and receive from the priest (or deacon) the Body and Blood together, from a spoon, so there is no separation as there is in all other churches that I know of (though our priests receive separately, and so did the people in the earliest times).

All who receive are to fast from at least midnight before (or in the case of an evening Liturgy, from noon). We are to have prepared ourselves also with prayer, and at least a recent confession. Some Orthodox require weekly confession.

Yes, we believe this is indeed a Holy Mystery, rather than trying to define how the bread and wine become the Body and Blood. We just know that it does, by the Holy Spirit.

Only Orthodox Christians who have prepared themselves as described can receive.
 
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The Divine Liturgy is a eucharistic (thanksgiving) service. The Divine Liturgy it is composed of set prayers, hymns, scripture lessons, gestures and processions. It contains two parts: the Liturgy of the Catechumens, sometimes called the Liturgy of the Word, at which the Scriptures are proclaimed and expounded, and the Liturgy of the Faithful, sometimes called the Liturgy of the Eucharist, in which the gifts of bread and wine are offered and consecrated. The Church teaches that the holy gifts truly become the body and blood of Jesus Christ, but it has never dogmatized a particular formula for describing this transformation.

It is done every Sunday and on special weekdays, in some Parishes daily.
It is a closed table to only those in communion with the Orthodox Church.
Both bread and wine are offered.
Usually fasting before communion is required as is confession' also being a member in good standing.

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Hello :)

We require good standing in the Orthodox Church, which may or may not require Confession the night/morning before, depending on the priest. We fast not just for an hour, but from midnight the night before, from food and drink, and prepare ourselves in prayer as well.

We don't 'pass' anything - the priest gives us Holy Communion on a spoon from the chalice which he holds. The Body and Blood of Christ are too precious to be handed around. We receive both the bread, which is the Body of Christ, and the wine, His Blood, at the same time.

It depends on what you mean by every service, since we have a lot of services in any given parish. We celebrate Holy Communion at every Divine Liturgy, which is the main service on a Sunday morning (although the Liturgy may be held on other days of the week, too). But every Sunday morning service is a Holy Communion service, yes. Not everyone receives every week though, only those who are prepared, we take reception of Holy Communion very seriously since St Paul warns us that some who have received unworthily 'sleep' i.e. have died.

We do have closed communion, but it's not just closed to non-Christians but to anyone who is not an Orthodox Christian in good standing - just because you're a Christian doesn't mean you're prepared to receive, and even Orthodox may not receive if they are not properly prepared.

What we believe is more complicated than that. The bread and wine ARE the Body and Blood of Christ - you will never find an Orthodox Christian who believes otherwise, since the priest actually prays that God changes them by His Holy Spirit at the consecration of the Gifts (after we recite the Creed, before we pray the Lord's Prayer, about 2/3 of the way through the service I think) and, at least in my tradition, the congregation responds Amen to those prayers. At the same time, we don't try to come up with scientific explanations for how that's possible, nor do we deny that that Holy Communion is also bread and wine. We leave the paradox up to God.

So we don't believe in Transubstantiation, like the Roman Catholics, but we do believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Because these things are always better with pictures, here's a few.

A bishop giving Holy Communion:
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- he is holding the Chalice and spoon, and the woman is holding the edge of a cloth beneath her chin so that the Gifts do not fall to the floor if they are spilled. This is how reverently we treat Holy Communion!

Here's another photo, from the other direction:
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The only thing I don't think anybody has mentioned is that as we receive Communion the priest addresses us by name. So, for in my case, he'll say "The Servant of God, Reader Joseph, partakes of the precious body and blood of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, for the remission of his sins, and unto life everlasting." (For women he says "Handmaiden" instead of "Servant")

After we receive we wipe our lips with a red cloth to ensure nothing remains which may be desecrated inadvertently, and then we take a piece of blessed bread, called antidoron, and eat it, in order to clean out our mouths and to ensure the first thing we eat after Holy Communion is something blessed and not just everyday food.
 
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the only things that I can add are that the priest who recieved me said that we should not approach the chalice if we missed the Gospel reading due to oversleep or being late (not for a legit reason). I have also seen the more slavic Churches have extra wine with the antidoron to help ensure the Eucharist is consumed, and that at the very end of the service, the rest of the antidoron is handed out as people leave for coffee hour or whatever.

as for confession, you must confess according to what your spiritual father decides. some places it's every day, some once per fasting cycle, some it's once every month, etc.

welcome to TAW!
 
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Orthodox Christian Holy Bread.

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In the ancient Tradition of the Orthodox Church, Holy Mystery of Communion is carried out through the mediums of wine and leavened bread. The bread is specially baked for the purpose of communion, and it is called "Prosphora" (meaning "that which is offered" in Greek.)

Prosphora (Greek for "offering") is bread prepared for use in the Divine Liturgy. A portion of it, known as the Lamb (or amnon) is cut out during the Proskomedia which is consecrated during the Divine Liturgy to be the Eucharist, while the rest is cut up for the Antidoron, the blessed bread distributed at the end of the Liturgy.

During its preparation, Prosphora is stamped with an image usually including IC XC NIKA ("Jesus Christ conquers"), which is maintained during baking and then serves as a guide for cutting out the Lamb during the Proskomedia. Prosphora can vary in size and stamp in different traditions. Generally, the Slavic traditions use smaller Prosphora with a simpler stamp, while the Byzantine ones use larger ones with a more complex stamp.

Prosphora may be made from only five ingredients:

*the finest pure wheat flour (white),
*yeast,
*salt,
*water
*prayer
 
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Proskomedia is a Greek word meaning offering. The first part of the Liturgy derives its name from the early Christian custom of the people offering bread and wine and all else that was needed for the Liturgy. Therefore, each small loaf of the bread which is used in it is termed a "prosphora," another word meaning offering. This bread or prosphora must be leavened, pure, and made of wheat flour. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself, for the celebration of the Mystery of Holy Communion, used leavened, not unleavened bread, as is clear from the Greek word used in the New Testament. The prosphora must be round and formed in two parts, one above the other, as an image of the two natures of Jesus Christ, divine and human. On the flat surface of the upper part a seal of the Cross is impressed, and in the four sections thus formed are the initial Greek letters of the name of Jesus Christ, "IC XC," and the Greek word "NIKA," which mean together "Jesus Christ conquers."
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The wine used in the Mystery must be red grape wine, as this color reminds us of the color of blood. The wine is mixed with water to remind us of the pierced side of the Savior from which flowed blood and water on the Cross. Five prosphoras are used in the Proskomedia to recall the five loaves with which Christ miraculously fed the five thousand, an event which gave Him the means to teach the people about spiritual nourishment, about the incorrupt, spiritual food which is bestowed in the Mystery of Holy Communion (John 6:22-58). One prosphora, known as the Lamb, is used for Holy Communion, in accordance with the words of the Apostle: "For we, being many, are one bread and one body, for we are all partakers of that one Bread" (I Cor. 10: 17).
The Proskomedia is performed by the priest in a quiet voice at the Table of Preparation when the sanctuary is closed. During its celebration, the Third and Sixth Hours are read.
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The priest takes the first prosphora and with a small spear makes the sign of the Cross over it three times, saying the words, "In remembrance of our Lord and God and Savior, Jesus Christ." The priest then cuts a cube out of the center of this prosphora with the spear (a small, wedge-shaped knife) and pronounces the words of the Prophet Isaiah: "He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth; He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He openeth not His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment; and who shall declare His generation? For He was cut off out of the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people was He stricken" (Is. 53:7-8).
This cube-shaped portion of the prosphora, called the Lamb (John 1:29), is placed on the diskos, a metal plate. Then the priest cuts a cross in the bottom of the Lamb while saying the words, "Sacrificed is the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world, for the life of the world and its salvation." He then pierces the right side of the Lamb with the spear, saying the words of the Evangelist, "One of the soldiers with a spear pierced His side, and forthwith there came out blood and water. And he that saw it bore record, and his record is true" (John 19:34). In accordance with these words wine is poured into the chalice mixed with water.
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From the second prosphora, the priest cuts out one portion in honor of the Virgin Mary and places it on the right side of the Lamb on the diskos. From the third prosphora, which is called "that of the nine ranks," are taken nine portions in honor of the saints, John the Forerunner and Baptist, the prophets, the Apostles, the hierarchs, the martyrs, the monastic saints, the unmercenary physicians, the grandparents of Jesus, Joachim and Anna, the saint who is celebrated that day, the saint to whom the church is dedicated, and finally the saint who composed the liturgy being celebrated. These portions are placed on the left side the Lamb. From the fourth prosphora, portions are removed for the hierarchs, the priesthood, and all the living. From the fifth prosphora, portions are taken for those Orthodox Christians who have reposed.
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Finally, portions are removed from those prosphoras donated by the faithful, as the names of the health and salvation of living and for the repose of the dead. All these portions are placed on the diskos below the Lamb.
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At the end of the Proskomedia the priest covers the bread with a metal asterisk (star) and then covers the diskos and chalice with special veils, censes the diskos and the chalice and prays that the Lord bless the offered Gifts and remember those who have offered them and those for whom they are offered.
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The sacred instruments used and actions performed in the Proskomedia have symbolic meanings. The diskos signifies the caves in Bethlehem and Golgotha; the star, the star of Bethlehem and the Cross; the veils, the swaddling clothes and the winding sheet at the tomb of the Savior; the chalice, the cup in which Jesus Christ sanctified the wine; the prepared Lamb, the judgment, passion, and death of Jesus Christ; and its piercing by the spear, the piercing of Christ's body by one of the soldiers. The arrangement of all the portions in a certain order on the diskos signifies the entire Kingdom of God, whose members consist of the Virgin Mary, the angels, all the holy men who have been pleasing to God, all the faithful Orthodox Christians, living and dead, and, in the center its head — the Lord Himself, our Savior. The censing signifies the overshadowing by the Holy Spirit, whose grace is shared in the Mystery of Holy Communion.
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Willie T, this is the Orthodox subforum. He asked what the Orthodox do/believe about Holy Communion. Not what your church does.

You're free to fellowship and discuss things with us, but not to teach your own church's ideas.

Thank you for clarifying which are, and are not, acceptable Orthodox practices. As I said, I did not come here to debate, but to fact find for those in the fundametalist section, I take my leave nowm before I say something like: you are all wrong.

Just kidding....
 
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Thank you for clarifying which are, and are not, acceptable Orthodox practices. As I said, I did not come here to debate, but to fact find for those in the fundametalist section, I take my leave nowm before I say something like: you are all wrong.

Just kidding....

haha, oh man thems be fightin words!
 
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Thank you for clarifying which are, and are not, acceptable Orthodox practices. As I said, I did not come here to debate, but to fact find for those in the fundametalist section, I take my leave nowm before I say something like: you are all wrong.

Just kidding....

You're doing just fine. Feel free to stay and chat, if you'd like.
 
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This is the last of several prayers that make up the pre-communion discipline that we complete before receiving. This last prayer is done corporately in church just before we begin to receive the gifts:

"I believe, O Lord, and I confess that thou art truly the Christ, the Son of the living God, who didst come into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

And I believe that this is truly thine own immaculate Body, and that this is truly thine own precious Blood. Wherefore I pray thee, have mercy upon me and forgive my transgressions both voluntary and involuntary, of word and of deed, of knowledge and of ignorance; and make me worthy to partake without condemnation of thine immaculate Mysteries, unto remission of my sins and unto life everlasting. Amen.

Of thy Mystical Supper, O Son of God, accept me today as a communicant; for I will not speak of thy Mystery to thine enemies, neither will I give thee a kiss as did Judas; but like the thief will I confess thee: Remember me, O Lord, in thy Kingdom. Not unto judgement nor unto condemnation be my partaking of thy Holy Mysteries, O Lord, but unto the healing of soul and body."

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The Anaphora is the most solemn part of the Divine Liturgy (or Mass), in which the offerings of bread and wine are consecrated as the body and blood of Christ.

Anaphora in the Byzantine Rite

The anaphora is introduced with a the Opening Dialogue between priest and choir/congregation:[19]

The priest chants: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God the Father, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

"The choir/congregation respond: "And with thy spirit.

"Priest: "Let us lift up our hearts.

"Choir/Congregation: "We lift them up unto the Lord.

"Priest: "Let us give thanks unto the Lord.

"Choir/Congregation: "It is right and just to worship Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the Trinity one in essence and undivided."

While the above response is sung, the priest begins to pray the first part of the anaphora quietly, although in some places this is said aloud. This section, corresponding to the Preface in the Roman Rite, gives thanks to God for the mysteries of creation, redemption, and sanctification. It is followed by the choir and congregation singing the Sanctus.

After the Sanctus follows a recapitulation of salvation history, especially the Incarnation, and leads into the words of Jesus over the bread and wine at the Mystical Supper, as Eastern Christians often refer to the Last Supper: "Take, eat, this is my body, which is broken for you, for the forgiveness of sins." and "Drink ye all of this; this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins." The priest always says these words aloud, and the congregation and choir respond: "Amen."

The priest continues with the Anamnesis in that it references Jesus' command, at least implicitly, to "do this in memory of me" and states that the gifts of bread and wine are offered to God in memory of Jesus' life, death, resurrection, and second coming. It culminates with the Oblation in which the bread and wine is lifted up while the priest exclaims: "Thine own of thine own we offer unto thee on behalf of all and for all."

While the people sing a hymn of thanksgiving and supplication, the priest prays the epiclesis. God the Father is invoked to send down the Holy Spirit in order to, according to the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, "...make this bread the precious Body of thy Christ... And that which is in this cup the precious Blood of thy Christ... Changing them by thy Holy Spirit." This is the most solemn point of the anaphora, as it is from that point on the bread and wine are considered to be the literal body and blood of Christ and not from the Words of Institution as in some other traditions.

The rest of the anaphora consists of a lengthy set of intercessions for the Church, its bishops and other clergy, the leaders of nations, the faithful departed, and the Church as a whole, as well as commemorations of the Saints, especially the Blessed Virgin Mary, John the Baptist, the saint being commemorated that day, and "Forefathers, Fathers, Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles, Preachers, Evangelists, Martyrs, Confessors, Ascetics, and for every righteous spirit in faith made perfect." In the Byzantine Rite the anaphora, whether that of St. John Chrysostom or St. Basil, ends with the following doxology sung by the priest: "And grant us with one mouth and one heart to glorify and hymn thine all-honorable and magnificent name, of the Father, and of the Son, and of Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages." The congregation and choir respond: "Amen."


The Anaphora (Prayer of Thanksgiving).wmv - YouTube
 
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