‘Mystery Babylon’ is Mecca not Vatican
Read it on the site...Just a portion of it is below:
Read it on the site...Just a portion of it is below:
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Mecca is the Harlot, Not Rome
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Well, that will really help the cause of the Muslim coming to believe on the grace of God in Christ, won't it? If those boys really knew the 'field of BIblical eschatology' why do they never, ever, sound like the apostles about the nations?
"If justification by faith is lost, everything is lost" (--Luther) and that includes the sense of mission. When these guys have put in 20-30 years of mission work, I'll listen to their eschatology.
"If justification by faith is lost, everything is lost" (--Luther) and that includes the sense of mission. When these guys have put in 20-30 years of mission work, I'll listen to their eschatology.
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Joel Richardson also talks about this , saw him on Sid Roth and a few other shows on youtube and very enlightening.
Both he and Walid say that Revelation 18:12 are the things that Saudi Arabia imports now , including slavery.
Both he and Walid say that Revelation 18:12 are the things that Saudi Arabia imports now , including slavery.
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Yes....its time the world stopped hiding the fact that slavery has always been practiced by Islam, and that the blacks they raided in Africa were sold to America and England. America and England did not go raid tribes in Africa to get slaves, but bought them from Islamic kidnappers.
America and England -now called Great Britain- stopped buying slaves from the Islamics, but the Islamics have never stopped raiding the tribes of Africa and have never stopped enslaving men who have come to try to work in the oilfields from poorer nations. Many end up enslaved. It is a horrible thing to see pictures that have been sneaked out of Saudi Arabia that shows how they treat those enslaved by them and how they treat little boys, little girls, and women and also men who are not "them", but "others".
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how were people reading REv in the 1st century supposed to be able to "come out of her" if it didn't show for 7 centuries?
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While the corrupt aspects of both Mecca and Rome (and of other cities) are included in what Revelation's symbolic harlot "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents, it represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of Mecca and Rome. For Mecca and Rome just by themselves don't reign over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor are Mecca and Rome the only places where people buy merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor are Mecca and Rome the places where all martyrs have been killed (Revelation 18:24). Nor have Mecca and Rome just by themselves corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor have Mecca and Rome been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). Instead, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).
The 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire what Revelation's "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17) when they destroy the cities of the earth (Revelation 16:19), probably with nukes (and probably with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number six in English gematria), at the time of the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17) of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:2 to 20:6, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Lucifer/Satan (Isaiah 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.
Near the very end of the future tribulation, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and his 10 kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil, tyrant god YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so we will be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma [i.e. Heaven]. So let us now destroy this prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break all our chains of attachment to this vile physical realm, that we might more freely ascend back to our rightful place in the Pleroma [Isaiah 14:13-14]".
Of course this will be a lie. For at his 2nd coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat the unsaved armies of the world, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-6, Isaiah 14:15). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the 1,000 years and subsequent events are over (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new first heaven, a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem, to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:2-4).
An eschatological view that likes to claim that Mecca alone is "Babylon" might also like to claim that the Antichrist will be a Muslim. But the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), won't support Islam in its past and current form, insofar as Islam affirms that Jesus is the Christ (e.g. Koran 4:157, Koran 4:171), whereas the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Islam affirms that Christ is in the flesh, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Islam affirms that the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Islam (mistakenly) affirms that no man can be God, whereas the Antichrist will say that he's God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Islam forbids the worship of any images (Koran 21:52, Koran 6:74), whereas the Antichrist will have an image made of himself to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15). And Islam rejects Lucifer (Satan) as being evil, whereas the Antichrist will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the Antichrist's religion during his 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be Islam in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.
Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-7), the Antichrist and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be an apostate pope), could at first pretend to wholly support Islam in its current form (as well as Christianity), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.
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As far as Eschatology is concerned, Mecca is a non-entity.
Mecca doesn't sit on 7 hills. Rome does.
The Antichrist will be the governmental entity that comes from Rome while the false prophet will be the religious entity that comes from Rome.
Their combination will bring total world-wide peace until God destroys those peace treaties, which brings about the near annihilation of mankind - until the arrival of Jesus Christ.
If the 144,000 first-born males who never lie and who never had sexual relations didn't exist - the one TRUE Church of Jesus Christ - then Jesus Christ would NEVER return. The human race would be annihilated.
Mecca doesn't sit on 7 hills. Rome does.
The Antichrist will be the governmental entity that comes from Rome while the false prophet will be the religious entity that comes from Rome.
Their combination will bring total world-wide peace until God destroys those peace treaties, which brings about the near annihilation of mankind - until the arrival of Jesus Christ.
If the 144,000 first-born males who never lie and who never had sexual relations didn't exist - the one TRUE Church of Jesus Christ - then Jesus Christ would NEVER return. The human race would be annihilated.
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Yeshua, you are aware that the belief is that a meteor came down to show Hagar and Ismael where to find water, and that meteor is in the Ka'aba? Doesn't it seem like the apostles or Rev would have been infrared-lense clear if that was their target? Then you'd have an item that predated the NT.
There is the problem of the 'flesh' in the Gal 4 allegory, of course, but it is generalized to any who walk by the flesh...
And then when Stephen does nail Israel for star-worship (more than I was aware of) it has to do with Canaanite deities...
There is the problem of the 'flesh' in the Gal 4 allegory, of course, but it is generalized to any who walk by the flesh...
And then when Stephen does nail Israel for star-worship (more than I was aware of) it has to do with Canaanite deities...
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Great video in post 9 , have seen others like it but this one was an excellent choice.
Kinda makes me think about that leopard like Beast again , feet of Iran , mouth of Iraq , take ten Islamic nations from the 4th kingdom [ Rome] and link them to those two and I have a leopard like [Greek empire] beast.
Who knows , maybe the wounded head that comes back on the world scene is actually the Media Persian empire with a fierce hatred for Saudi Arabia and Israel.
The speculation is never ending.
Kinda makes me think about that leopard like Beast again , feet of Iran , mouth of Iraq , take ten Islamic nations from the 4th kingdom [ Rome] and link them to those two and I have a leopard like [Greek empire] beast.
Who knows , maybe the wounded head that comes back on the world scene is actually the Media Persian empire with a fierce hatred for Saudi Arabia and Israel.
The speculation is never ending.
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Walid Shoebat, a former Palestinian Muslim trained to be terrorist but converted by the Gospel to Jesus teaches from the Scriptures and from his own background knowledge of the land and tells things I had never noticed before, but there they are!
His teaching on Islam as the beast is totally Bible based. The Ottomon Empire [Turkey Persia and Medea] will rise again, as the 8th king, and of the 7, and will nuke Mecca from Elam -in Iran/Persia. Then Elam will itself be nuked [?] because the remaining inhabitants of it are scattered over the earth until after Jesus returns, because it is not habitable. -Sounds like all out nuclear war. But Turkey rises as the head of the revived Ottoman Empire, and they, with Iran/Persia -/Elam area where some of the nukes are- totally destroy Saudi Arabia and Mecca is no more. Walid totally takes you through the Scriptures on that.
But The areas in the Arabian Peninsula that are forever uninhabitable are described by their ancient tribal names in the OT, and Walid takes you through that in his studies.
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Strange that you bring up the Ottoman Empire as I was just reading recently that Obama is being accused of helping to re establish the Ottoman empire . You can google that.
Strange days are upon us.
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Strange days indeed. I think the State Dept is in bed with the enemy and Obama does the bidding of whoever is behind them, like a puppet on a string.
So was Bush and Clinton the same.
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I am no expert on the matters at hand, but I think that O is helping Al Queda take over, which is Saudi.
Iran is not Al Queda, so O is not helping Iran, but undermining them.
We have a dangerous situation at this time in that Iran is backing Assad; Russia is backing Assad, and the US state Dept -with O- is supplying Al Queda arms to take over Syria, after supplying arms to take over Libya, Egypt -and who knows????
So its Russia/Iran against Saudi/Al Queda/US State Dept.
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The only reason you thought it would make sense (not be "strange") is because you believe you have prognostication of it all in the Bible.
Paul explained what the prophets were about, based on the classes from Christ, and then said he would not speak of anything beyond that. You can find it (what the prophets were about) in Acts 26, where he also says he won't speak beyond that.
Paul explained what the prophets were about, based on the classes from Christ, and then said he would not speak of anything beyond that. You can find it (what the prophets were about) in Acts 26, where he also says he won't speak beyond that.
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Isa 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as [in] mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as [in] the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange/זור zuwr work; and bring to pass his act, his strange/נכריnokriy act.
Isa 28:22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.
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זור zuwr ...to turn aside, to depart:
נכרי nokriy ...outlandish/ new/ unheard of
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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