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You, however, are self-contradictory since you think that self-contradictory thought can actually prove that all thought is self-contradictory.
as dean says he and every one else is self contradictory
he has even shown science and maths are self contradictory
if u dont belive
go read his book
sorry u have not
u thought meaninglessness =existentialism
untill i showed you that for dean even existentialism = meaninglesness
so dean has taken u to a completly new place -a place one step beyound existentialism
where everything is meaningless or self-contradictory
so you have a complelty new thing to think about and end up some thoughts that will be meaniglessnes
you have not been hear before
as you thinking meaningless of the universe was what dean was on about
but the view" the universe is meaningless" it self ends in self contradiction or meaninglessnes SO YOU R AT A COMPLELTY NEWWWWWWWWWW PLACE
So this is a step beyond existentialism, but it lands you in the same place? The whole starting point of existentialism is the the universe is meaningless. If something has no meaning, how can it contradict anything?
Either way you still arrive at the same end point, though. You either assign some arbitrary, subjective meaning to your life, or succumb to agnst and off yourself.I think that's an equivocation on the word "meaningless". When the existentialists use it, they mean "devoid of unchosen purpose". When Dean uses it, he means "incomprehensible". Those are two different concepts.
eudaimonia,
Mark
But his statement that all views are self contradictory is either true or false.
If true, then his statement is itself self contradictory - and thus not true. If it is not true, we don't need to worry about it.
If false, then we don't need to worry about it.
einstien what exactly is not clear with the folowing quoteYou gave me 3 quotes. Not a one of them dealt with 'essence'. They did deal with existence. There is a difference.
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and it is no god [pointing out dean is meaningles since that is what he would say
and it is no god [pointing out dean is meaningles since that is what he would say
Yes, I think I understand the word "all", and I was explicitly referring to it. So what reason do I have to pay more attention to Dean´s self-contradictory and and meaningless view than to any other self-contradictory and meaningless view?yes but so is everything else
it is no use trying to refute dean by saying he is self-conytradictory becasuse every view including his is is self contradictory
even if u proved him to be self contradictory
yiou are stil left with every other view being self contradictory
he is not saying every view is self contradictory except his
he is saying ALLLLLLL VIEWS ARE SELF CONTRADICTORY
do you understand the word ALLLL
Come to think of it, something can not be meaningless and self-contradictory.nevertheless hey dean has shown the most rational of human indevours ie maths is meaningless ie self contradictory
Again: so what?and it is no god [pointing out dean is meaningles since that is what he would say
but you r still left with the meaninglesness of EVERYTHING ELSE
ie maths and science for a start
Again: so what?
Science and mathematics are at least pragmatically useful and useable. That´s what I value and appreciate them for.
WITH EVERY THING BEING MEANINGLESS THEN EVERY THING HAS EQUAL EPISTEMIC WORTHSo what reason do I have to pay more attention to Dean´s self-contradictory and and meaningless view than to any other self-contradictory and meaningless view?
Then it is GAME OVER for Dean. If his argument is meaningless, it doesn't have to mean anything to us either. It has no truth value. He has shot himself in the foot before even starting the race.
Well, Shakespeare, I'm going to have to say that the following statement is not clear:einstien what exactly is not clear with the folowing quote
It is either missing punctuation (did you write it?) or complete and utter hogwash in its current state. Either way it is pretty unclear.Putnam similarly claims that logic derives from metaphysics the belief in substances. As he notes, [w]e get at the very beginning of logic, a metaphysics accompanying it and conditioning it.
I understand them pretty well. Well enough to poke holes in your precious Dean and his new-age existentialism.u obviously dont understand essence ontology at all or the laws of logic or the law of non- contradiction
Well, Shakespeare, the only thing you have proven is that you do not understand non contradiction. Something could be a cow and a horse at the same time. Something cannot be a cow and a 'not cow' at the same time.a horse is not a cow because they have diiferent defining chracteristics ie essence- they are ontologicaly differenbt - thus if you say that thing is both a horse and cow you violate the law of non contradiction by breaking the law of idenity
YES
BUT U R STILL LEFT WITH EVERY THING ELSE AS SHOTTING ITSELF IN THE FOOT TO
ie maths and science as well
- That which has mass and occupies space; matter.
- A material of a particular kind or constitution.
- Essential nature; essence.
plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-metaphysics/#SubEss
Aristotle's preliminary answer (Z.4) to the question “What is substance?” is that substance is essence,
Aristotle turns in Ζ.4 to a consideration of the next candidate for substance: essence. (‘Essence’ is the standard English translation of Aristotle's curious phrase to ti ên einai, literally “the what it was to be” for a thing. This phrase so boggled his Roman translators that they coined the word essentia to render the entire phrase, and it is from this Latin word that ours derives. Aristotle also sometimes uses the shorter phrase to ti esti, literally “the what it is,” for approximately the same idea.) In his logical works, Aristotle links the notion of essence to that of definition (horismos) — “a definition is an account (logos) that signifies an essence” (Topics 102a3) — and he links both of these notions to a certain kind of per se predication (kath’ hauto, literally, “in respect of itself”— “what belongs to a thing in respect of itself belongs to it in its essence (en tôi ti esti)” for we refer to it “in the account that states the essence” (Posterior Analytics, 73a34-5). He reiterates these ideas in Ζ.4: “there is an essence of just those things whose logos is a definition” (1030a6), “the essence of a thing is what it is said to be in respect of itself” (1029b14). It is important to remember that for Aristotle, one defines things, not words. The definition of tiger does not tell us the meaning of the word ‘tiger’; it tells us what it is to be a tiger, what a tiger is said to be in respect of itself. Thus, the definition of tiger states the essence — the “what it is to be” of a tiger, what is predicated of the tiger per se.
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