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Wow, can't believe I'm gonna post this but..


OK, basically, when I was 13, on holiday in Paris, a man (prob late40s/early50s) touched me. It was in a busy market place. Outside my clothes but still, where he most definitley shouldn't have. He followed me for about 5-10mins and did it again.

I've spoken about this occassionally, and have received some prayer for it. As I'm typing this I don't feel anything but I know hwo badly it has affected me in so many ways.

I don't know what to call it.. it's not abuse as such.. and assualt seems too strong a word.

I feel guilty for even thinking about it and feeling sorry for myself.. I know of people, in "real life" and on CF who have experienced so, so much worse. But yeah.. it sucks..
 

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Hey Clare,

Don't ever minimise what you went through because it wasn't "as bad" as another person's , experience affect people in different ways so you are 100% entitled to feel what you are feeling. If you want to talk to anyone about it PM me

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If you didn't want it then it is abuse...that is what I have been told about what happened to me...like you "nothing ever really happened"...but it did...it felt wrong...and he had no right to do what he did. And please know that there are people who do understand...if you need to talk I am here too.
 
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Yeah, pretty much what they said. Everyone reacts differently, no one should tell you that you are over reacting. It happened to you and not them, and it affects everyone different. I know that I would have been terrified, and you are very strong for posting, that takes a lot of courage no matter what.
 
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Thanks girls for you positive replies.

I don't want to seem ignorant but does anyone know what would be the correct term for my experience? It was basically a one-time thing, one man touched me twice outside of my clothes.. I think you can probably guess where.

I never know what to call it.. it's not abuse as such.. it wasn't violent or physically painful. Obviosly it's not rape. Not realy assault either. Molestation asI was 13 years old?

I know that's a stupid question, but I blocked out the memory for 4 years and think about it as little as possible now. I don't want to look up a definition cause I think that might upset me.

What do you think?
 
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Hi Clare,

I am really sorry you have experienced this, regardless of what you call it. I agree with the others - there's no rule that says you shouldn't feel hurt or sad or upset if there are people who have had "worse" experiences than you. These things can't be measured in that way, they really can't. Everyone is an individual and reacts and experiences things differently, especially trauma. I know most of society is preoccupied with working out where they stand in relation to others but comparison really doesn't work in these areas - (and I don't think it is helpful in other areas either, but that's another thread). I know there are stereotypical assumptions about victim/survivors or whatever, but that is what they are - stereotypical assumptions :)

To be honest if a definition might upset you, then I am a bit hesitant to give you one. For some folks, definitions can be helpful though in terms of processing their experience, for others it makes it seem far more real. It's important to go at your own pace in this. Perhaps starting as you have, by saying "this happened and it was wrong, and not my fault, and harmful, and had effects that I want to work through and get healing for" is the best for you right now, moreso than definitions? I agree with the others, go your own pace at this. there are no rules about what reactions/responses/feelings should or shouldn't be to x y or z experience. Measure it's severity (if that is what you are trying to do) by its impact on you - and if a particular label or term helps to convey that, then use that. But there are more things for you to address than worrying about terminology. Noone here will give you a hard time about it, unless to lovingly keep you from self blame or so on.

One thing I will say is that the fact that it didn't involve physical violence doesn't detract from its wrongfulness - "violence" comes from the root word "violation" - and it was certainly that.

If you do feel that you want to work out how to define your experience, perhaps as part of processing it, then please don't dig too deeply into it unless you have people around you who can support you in it. For example, if we were to say "sounds like x to me" or whatever, how would that make you feel, and how would you deal with that? Labels can be really triggery at times, I have found.

I am curious though, why do you think it was not an assault, or why would that be "too strong" a word? If that's not something you want to think about then feel free not to answer, or to PM me if you would prefer.

(In fact if you want clinical type definitions of the different terms you mentioned I am happy to oblige - perhaps PM me about that too - or leave another post here. Keep in mind that different countries (and States) use slightly different terms, too).

I know I struggled over labels for years. It can be helpful, but can also be, well, too defining - and we are not defined by our negative sexual experiences (nor by anything else) whether they be rapes, molestation, assaults, a combination, or other things that we aren't too sure how to categorise.

The biggest thing I would recommend is having one or more people you can work this through with, pray with, and have counselling with. I certainly think posting here is a helpful thing and encourage you to continue to do so, being open to Jesus and what He says about your experiences, - and how He wants to help you heal from them.

Will be praying for you and I will add my voice to the others - feel free to PM me if you would like

Makk
 
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Hey Makk,

Well, first of all, I don't talk about it in "real life". I have told some of my friends in the past and have ALWAYS regretted it afterwards. I don't want people to knwo about it because I am ashamed of it and even more ashamed of the affect it has had on my life. I feel useless, that I am a failure. It's not so much the specific event that made me feel like this. I did nothing to entice this man, I was just a child. I don't blame myself for it. It's how I've dealt with it and the huge negative impact it has had on my life. There's a song that pretty much sums up how I feel - Because of You by kelly Clarkson. There are some phrases in it that put into words my feeling better than I can:

I'm forced to fake, a smile, a laugh
Every day of my life
My heart can't possibly break
When it wasn't even whole to start with

I was so young
You should have known

And now I cry
In the middle of the night

Because of you
I never stray too far from the sidewalk
Because of you
I learned to play on the safe side So I don't get hurt
Because of you
I tried my hardest just to forget everything
Because of you
I don't know how to let anyone else in
Because of you
I'm ashamed of my life because it's empty
Because of you
I am afraid

So yeah, I don't talk about it. In so many ways I have a brilliant life, but this has ruined it. I have alienated friends because of it. Those who know about it don't know how to behave around me becuase of it. I am scared of intimacy because of it. I avoid real relationships because of it. My life is so full on the surface, but deep down my life is EMPTY.

I want a definition, I just don't want to have to look for it myself and be confronted with lots of different words and images. I just want someone to say to me, 'Clare, it's.. whatever' so that I will ahve a name for it in my head.

To me, 'assualt' has connotatoins of real physical violence. that's why I don;t use that word.

Clinical definitions would be appreciated. More often than not, I think about it 'clinically'. I don't think about how it has affected me unless i really have to.
 
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Hi Clare,

I will PM you then, but the brief version would be that I would call what happened to you a sexual assault. It could also be classed as abuse or molestation, (those terms are sometimes used to refer to assaults that occur on an ongoing basis, but do still include instances that happen once).

I am sorry that you've needed to keep this hidden though I can empathise with the difficulties you have encountered in dealing with it any other way. I did not breathe a word for ages and when I did people wanted it sorted out fast. I got lots of "just pray" advice... and then wierd looks if I didn't jump up from a prayer time issue free immediately (Or at the very least after a month or so). Many folks care but don't know how to deal. That makes them ignorant, not right, but it still hurts to have that in your face.

I am glad you don't blame yourself for it. I would go a step further and not blame you for the impact it has had on you either; any more than if someone came up and punched you in the nose, I would neither blame you for being hit, nor blame your nose for then bleeding. That is what happens when you get punched in the nose. I would encourage you to get a bunch of tissues and first aid and so on... and then have a "little chat" with the person who punched you in the nose... and he would have the blame for the punch AND the bleeding, costs of first aid and whatever else you needed would rightly be his, in my opinion. (The law would see it that way too by the way).

Talking about it is necessary at some point if you ever want to change the effects it has had on you - that much is obvious. It is just really important to be careful and discerning in whom to tell. Friends aren't always the best option esp if they don't understand the issues involved. Talking on here is an excellent first step, but please don't let it be the only one you take. I don't want your life to continue to be restricted either.

Makk
 
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