Me and the trinity

[Achichem]

Me and the trinity:

Ok I have gone over:
Let's talk about the Trinity
http://christianforums.com/t52495

But I am still really confused, because I do not know what I believe in this area. My church offers little help, they have a version but it only serves to confuse me. I wish people could let things be, and never made any theories, so I did not have to even think about it.

First thing I must explain, my view of the spirit:

The spirit to me is not part of this Trinity, rather I see the spirit more like a angel (messenger of G-d) but rather then bringing down to the earth a message of voice, I see it as bringing down the “Power of God”. For surly the power of G-d is life, because G-d is pure life, this thought leads my to believe that the spirit then is nothing more then a type of “Living power of G-d”.

Surly then it can still do all that an entity can, but is not an entity unto it self, rather, it is like a mindless messenger of Power under rule of the Father.

What I have thought: I saw how the Son could be the father, and the Father the son, But different so I saw the trinity base relationship between these two only.

However recently I have run it to conflict with this, and want very to see it form a different perspective.

This is that Yeshua is not in fact G-d (The Father), G-d is the Father and the “One living God”, and the son a completely different being and entity.

However Y’shua is like the angels accept higher, much higher, with the purpose of being the living word or the perfect Son (Child of God).

Surly instead of making him in his own image, God made the Son as King (a figure accountable only to God).

The Son being made to commit no Sin and be in all ways perfect unto God, surly would need to share one mind and one love with the Father.

Why then is Y'shua not a god? This is first because the Father is surly higher then Y'shua, and if something happens to the Father it happens to all, yet it something happens to Y'shua it does not (except through the Father). Also he does not have the ability of self concept in the sense of free will. Not because he is a salve, but because he was created not able to commit sin (5th commandment).

Notice also that all power is also still the Fathers, and not Y’shua who is the his king of all (a king being someone only accountable to God, with ultimate authority under the Fathers grace). He saved our sin simply because he was a clean lamb, which is the only kind acceptable to G-d the Father, and of course the son fo G-d.

Is this heresy to think this way? Or will God care if I think this way?

Because I cannot swallow this two in one thing, no matter how hard I try.

Please I need help, I need input, and surly someone can help me.

God bless,
Datsar

 

[SonWorshipper]

Datsar , have your read through the thread in this forum, Is Yeshua YHVH?

 

[SonWorshipper]

First I think that you should clear your mind of the word "Trinity" I think that is the biggest obstacle.



Now Lets start with the Creator of the universe or ~ Elohenu Melech Ha'Olam .



Genesis 1:1



In the beginning G-d created the heaven and the earth





Now to John 1:1



In the beginning was the WORD, and the Word was with G-d and the Word Was G-d.



John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.





Verse 2 Genesis 1:2 ..........................And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.







Zechariah 4:6 Not by might nor power but by MY SPIRIT says the L-rd.





Genesis 2:7 And the L-RD G-d formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.





John 1:4 In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. 1:5 and the light shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not.





Genesis 1:3 And G-d said, Let there be light: and there was light.



You see Yeshua was always there for he is the Same creator G-d (John 1:3) but to save us from our sin He loved us so much ( John 3:16 "For G-d so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.") That he came to live like we live to make right what Adam made wrong.



Kind David was given a glimpse of this salvation to come in the Psalms 8:5 "For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honor."



This is given again in Hebrews and it goes a little further by saying Hebrews 2:9



"But we see Yeshua, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of G-d should taste death for every man."



Yeshua was the visible manifestation of the Living G-d, for with human eyes we can't see a spirit but yet Abraham spoke and ate with him, and Jacob wrestled with him, and it was also this visible manifestation that walked with Adam in the Garden. He put on flesh and came into the world to atone for the whole worlds sins, for blood is required for sin, and the price for sinning is death and he paid that price.



His spirit ( the spirit of G-d/ Yeshua) lives in each believer and is spread out all around the world in each flesh temple but it is still one spirit, which is G-d.



I hope this brings you more understanding, I am not fully awake just yet but feel that the L-rd has given me this to share with you.



Brachot!