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Why is it that something that makes you feel so good is considered bad? I'm sure this is really controversial but I have been considering this for some time...try to forget every piece of government propaganda you've been fed about this:

Ecstasy was the first drug I ever tried. And it was literally like what I imagine heaven must be like. I feel like I experienced the way the world was supposed to be, without all of the mental and social barriers that I had put up all around me-in fact, I didn't even know that they existed until they were gone. I was able to look all around me, everything seemed so fresh and new. My vision was actually enhanced so that I could see every individual blade of grass and bump and curvature of the land, the exact way the leaves moved in the trees. And I was able to talk to people, to feel a real connection. People with whom I was always a little uncomfortable around before, I could now talk to with ease, and empathize with them. I felt free. I experienced this powerful substance many times, not to get "messed up," but to feel that freedom from my everyday inhibitions, to see the world from a different perspective. I haven't used in over a year, but I have still kept many strong friendships with these people, and carry those feelings, the openness, the love, the empathy, with me even while not using.

How can something that is so beautiful be bad? How do we know that the world that we see today is the way the world really is? We see the world through our own past experiences and expectations. Can ecstasy let us see things how they really are?
 
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Why is it that something that makes you feel so good is considered bad? I'm sure this is really controversial but I have been considering this for some time...try to forget every piece of government propaganda you've been fed about this:
Ecstasy was the first drug I ever tried. And it was literally like what I imagine heaven must be like.




God's word says to not over indulge,in anything.
Anything that takes our focus away from Him.
The (Son) sun light of His Spirit will not dwell in dark places.


It was an illusion.....
definition.......a misleading visual image, a misleading idea.



First off....
God gave us free will.To chose between good and evil.

I drugged for a long time.Yrs later I found out it was gettting me no wheres.

If you want to see life though rose colored glasses,that your choise.

I made mine up 25 yrs ago,That that was not the way I wanted to live.
My mind in a fog,not in touch with reality.

And I had to gain my self respect back.
I wanted to get right with God,my children and my family.

You want to know why?
I found out ,it was a curse on my family.

I wanted to bet satan out of his own game.

Jesus came into my life.
I would not trade 1 super good day of drugging,for a bad day 2day.

It Does not...Eeeeeeeeeeven compare....

I have my self respect back....I have a legacy to leave for my loved ones.

The curse is broken.It had to start with me.I was accountable
for what I heard from other christians (God's word).

And I thank God the Father...he replaced those....Rose colored glasses,
and replaced it with the truth.Just because I asked.

Its your choise...
How do you choose to see life?
In a lie,or reality?

Its your life.What legacy will you be leaving for your loved one?
Will you be the one to break the curse?

Its your call.
 
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i used to like es', i stopped doing illeagal drugs a while ago, but i allways thought of extacy as the nicer side of drug culture (i was never into the whole rave scene, with the 12 es' in one night and coming home drapped in wall insulation you found round the back of the club and all that nonsence, i'm talking just necking half or a couple in the pub on a friday night for the buzz.
well i met a dealer i know of(quite a nice lad, more of a well paid mule)in the pub about 4 weeks ago and ended up having half a pill, (tbh i was quite dissapointed with myself). but i will tell you this, the eurphoric love you feel (and i rememberd) is well really very plastic, (in comparision to the real deal). im quite a self examining person and this is just how i felt, it didnt taste "real" if you know what i mean. im not going to argue the finer points of the law (es' have been shown to have remarkable effects on certain illnesses and they have also lead to the deaths of a number of people).

the world you live in is way to safe if you can honestly think "Can ecstasy let us see things how they really are?". you want to get some real fear in you. at its very fineist all any mind altering substance can ever be is an indulgence of the wealthy (but it doesnt usually end up that way, lol if your lucky you'll end up a broken man begging the lord for help (its only lol coz he listened to me when i was screwd)
 
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karisma said:
Why is it that something that makes you feel so good is considered bad? I'm sure this is really controversial but I have been considering this for some time...try to forget every piece of government propaganda you've been fed about this:

Ecstasy was the first drug I ever tried. And it was literally like what I imagine heaven must be like. I feel like I experienced the way the world was supposed to be, without all of the mental and social barriers that I had put up all around me-in fact, I didn't even know that they existed until they were gone. I was able to look all around me, everything seemed so fresh and new. My vision was actually enhanced so that I could see every individual blade of grass and bump and curvature of the land, the exact way the leaves moved in the trees. And I was able to talk to people, to feel a real connection. People with whom I was always a little uncomfortable around before, I could now talk to with ease, and empathize with them. I felt free. I experienced this powerful substance many times, not to get "messed up," but to feel that freedom from my everyday inhibitions, to see the world from a different perspective. I haven't used in over a year, but I have still kept many strong friendships with these people, and carry those feelings, the openness, the love, the empathy, with me even while not using.

How can something that is so beautiful be bad? How do we know that the world that we see today is the way the world really is? We see the world through our own past experiences and expectations. Can ecstasy let us see things how they really are?

First of all: It's very nice to meet you Karisma, I'm Juleigh or Jules. :wave: :hug:

I appreciate the time you've taken to put something like this into words on a Christian forum, i can't say i know many people who would have the guts to do the same given the stigma of methylenedioxymethamphetamine. I hope that i can contribute in some way to your questions here, there are alot of things that can't be discussed on CF due to the nature of the board, so if you have any questions or would like to talk privately about anything, feel free to PM me. :thumbsup:

The most important thing to understand about Ecstacy (or MDMA) is it's function on our body - it's a stimulant which causes the sensory receptors in your brain to release more of a natural chemical than it usually would. Your body naturally produces and regulates a flow of this chemical, known as Serratonin, it is responsible for your natural contenance, or feelings of well being. People suffering chemical depression are often suffering from either a lack of Serratonin being produced, or not enough Serratonin being released.

The feelings that you describe - empathy, friendliness towards others, a removal of social and emotional barriers, freedom of inhibitions, are all by-products of forcing your body to release more Serratonin (or chemical happiness) than it naturally should - it's an artificial euphoria.

Is it real? No. It's our body tricking us into percieving things without any negativity, we cannot see the bad side of anything or make accurate judgements of evaluations because we are in an altered reality of just too much happiness. Does it allow us to see the world the way the world really is? No. We actually immobilise ourselves from being able to make a clear judgement, just as a depressed person finds it hard to see the positive or feel good (because of the lack of serratonin) we find it difficult to see the potential obsticles, problems, negatives in an enhanced state of happiness (because of the over release of serratonin). Can Ecstacy let us see things how they really are? No. While we may notice positives and other good things we weren't able to before, we are less able to see the opposite side of the spectrum. We loose one to gain the other. Does it allow us to form real relationships or bonds with other people? Yes and No. It does enhance our social skills because we are no longer wary, guarded, or analysing of the other person, we have immobilised our brains from being able to do so, and therefore are more inclined to find the positives and common ground in other people. Being able to do that after drug use is possible, because we have found things that we like in that person, and strive to work for the bond formed. The initial friendship and meeting tends to be artificial - though nice at the time - it is artificial for the reasons i have explained above. Of course, just because we meet and bond with the other person in a chemically-altered state, doesn't mean we can't pusue the positives we saw in them for a fully functional friendship. It does allow us a limited positive insight into the person, however it is biased and incomplete.

I should say, i have used Ecstasy many many times in the past, and am all too familar with the effects personally. :) I am a part of the underground rave scene and grew up with a Mother in the field of social work - i have seen and learned alot over the years, and am familar with the ideas you present in your post. While I agree that positive things can be taken away from an experience that is seen as inherritly bad. I cannot condone it's use though, because it does alter your mind, and is detrimental in long term use. It eventually damages your sensory receptors permanently, some people end up permanently depressed because their brain can no longer produce and regulate serratonin after being forced by other chemicals to work differently. You may notice that after you used, the next few days you felt a bit groggy, maybe a little unhappy/depressed - when you use Ecstacy and release all the extra saved serratonin, it takes your brain a few days/a week/sometimes longer to produce enough serratonin to begin releasing it and regulating it as normal again. The long term damage is problems in production & regulation.

Edited to add: I hope you get a chance to read this, if you want to discuss it further, feel free to reply here, PM me or even email me at the address in my profile. God bless you!
 
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karisma said:
Why is it that something that makes you feel so good is considered bad? I'm sure this is really controversial but I have been considering this for some time...try to forget every piece of government propaganda you've been fed about this:

I'm not sure if you're championing for drug use or legalization, or what.....but the opinion of one person as opposed to 'propoganda' isn't likely to sway anyone. First you'd have to identify what exactly is 'propoganda' and what is fact about what is extolled in the media and then move on from there.

Ecstasy was the first drug I ever tried. And it was literally like what I imagine heaven must be like. I feel like I experienced the way the world was supposed to be, without all of the mental and social barriers that I had put up all around me-in fact, I didn't even know that they existed until they were gone. I was able to look all around me, everything seemed so fresh and new. My vision was actually enhanced so that I could see every individual blade of grass and bump and curvature of the land, the exact way the leaves moved in the trees. And I was able to talk to people, to feel a real connection. People with whom I was always a little uncomfortable around before, I could now talk to with ease, and empathize with them. I felt free. I experienced this powerful substance many times, not to get "messed up," but to feel that freedom from my everyday inhibitions, to see the world from a different perspective. I haven't used in over a year, but I have still kept many strong friendships with these people, and carry those feelings, the openness, the love, the empathy, with me even while not using.

How can something that is so beautiful be bad? How do we know that the world that we see today is the way the world really is? We see the world through our own past experiences and expectations. Can ecstasy let us see things how they really are?

No, ecstasy can NOT let us see things how they really are - but God can. If God wanted us walking around in a 'state of ecstasy' then I am sure we would be. God designed our bodies for a purpose, intricately and incredibly so.

We struggle in life, in some regards, because that is how our character is built - perseverance produces character and hope (Rom. 5:3) and sets a foundation for other virtues and qualities. The fact that you have experienced mental and/or social barriers may equip you to a ministry to others who struggle with those issues, but if you never work through those issues and instead bypass it all with an artificial cure, how will you relate to the lost and the needy of the world - those who God desires us to be light to?

I'm glad you aren't using....and that you are here to share your story. People need to hear it.

Continue to be strong and courageous in the Lord. :)

{{{{HUGS}}}}
 
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I only had bad experiences with E.
I took 8 pills in 2 days.

It was some bad rush.

Eitherway.
"how can something that makes you feel good be illegal"

That is what todays drugprhabition is all about. "If you feel good on something it must be bad to you, ecpesially chemicals and herbs; Because you should be able to feel good without it."

Thats whats wrong with todays policy because it is based upon that thesis.

Postmodernism.

Another reason why we have such hard laws agaist drugs is because drugusers claim that they are right.
It is just the same about christianity. Today's mentality is not like it used to be 15 years ago. 15 years ago christianity was wrong because it was narrowsighted and unscientificall.

Today we got another mentaly - christianity is wrong because we claim that we are right.

Postmodernism is about belonging to a group.
Be a punkrocker - be a jehovas witness - be a stockbroker - heck, be a christian: But don't you dare come and say that your group is the right one. that you hold the truth.

Openmindness is the keyterm in postmodernism. And if you ever claim that you are right - YOU ARE WRONG because you claim that you are right.

The same probelm is accounted with drugusers.

They claim that they are right.

They cannot say: Parhaps we are wrong.

And threfore the postmodernistic society holds a strong grudge agaist drugusers just like they hold a grudge agaist christians.
 
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