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I know it has nothing to do with me...but on a purely personal level, how on earth could you vote McCain.

He's so robotic its un-true, he reminds me of a thunderbird puppet.

Obama is immensely likable and natural, and has age on his side.

Its a no contest - surely:D
 
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I vote in favor of the unborn baby. Being robotic would have been the least of issues in some of our former presidents. :)

Yep, abortion is high on my list too.

I honestly can't figure out why so many Christians support Obama given that he wouldn't even help protect babies that were outside the womb and survived abortion attempts. :mad::cry:
 
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I know it has nothing to do with me...but on a purely personal level, how on earth could you vote McCain.

He's so robotic its un-true, he reminds me of a thunderbird puppet.

Obama is immensely likable and natural, and has age on his side.

Its a no contest - surely:D



:scratch:

I was at a McCain-Palin rally 3 weeks ago, and he was not at all robotic. In fact, he was quite engaging and interesting. Of course, that was a townhall meeting style gathering. He loves engaging people rather than just giving a speech.

The funny thing about these types of charts is that it shows how conservative McCain is. He is not an ultra conservative, but he is conservative. I became very angry last summer when many people were upset McCain was going to become the nominee because they felt he was A) A liberal or B) a moderate.

He's not an ultra conservative, but he is a conservative, more the middle then what some would like.

But, I'm fine with it.
 
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Abortion is always such a hot button when it comes to us Christians. What I don't understand is that we get all vocal in support of the unborn baby, but our loud mouths get real quiet when it comes to feeding the hungry. We support the unborn, but after you get here--make sure you find your own food...
 
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Abortion is always such a hot button when it comes to us Christians. What I don't understand is that we get all vocal in support of the unborn baby, but our loud mouths get real quiet when it comes to feeding the hungry. We support the unborn, but after you get here--make sure you find your own food...

No it isn't a hot topic with Christians in general, it's a hot topic with nonchristians.

A lot of churches have food pantrys.
And when desaster strikes, often times churches will ask for a special donation, or a food drive for that situation.
But you would have to go to church to know these facts.
And 70% of Christians in America do not go to church.
And only 3% faithfully tithe.
I've seen a lot of homeless, I've never actually heard of any of them starving to death in America.

But the Ameican Christian is very selfish/self centered.
A lot of them spend more on pet food than they do on their fellow mankind.
That isn't exactly what Jesus had in mind when He said "And you shall love your neighbor as yourself."
 
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No it isn't a hot topic with Christians in general, it's a hot topic with nonchristians.

A lot of churches have food pantrys.
And when desaster strikes, often times churches will ask for a special donation, or a food drive for that situation.
But you would have to go to church to know these facts.
And 70% of Christians in America do not go to church.
And only 3% faithfully tithe.
I've seen a lot of homeless, I've never actually heard of any of them starving to death in America.

But the Ameican Christian is very selfish/self centered.
A lot of them spend more on pet food than they do on their fellow mankind.


We are a very wealthy country. I am all for helping the truly hungry. Many churches that I've gone too over the years made it a priority to help the hungry and the needy.

The thing is, when we see the beggar in scripture, those people did not have homeless shelters. They did not have churches handing out food. There was a segment of the ancient Jewish world that was completely destitute. The sick, the poor and the widow often stayed by the town and city gates begging for anything to help survive. Their very lives deepened on the very little that the people gave to help them to survive.

Things are a lot different in our modern countries where there is welfare and disablity for those with nothing. There are shelters for those who need shelter. There is food for those who are hungry.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem. But I think the problem we have in this country pales in comparison to the third world countries where there is real hunger and need.

This is why I typically don't give in to guilt trips I hear about how we're not doing enough.
 
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Humans are humans, wether they are in american or not.

There are a lot of problems that could be fixed with money.
If every Chrisitan gave just 1$ a day, that would be 2 billion x 365$ every year.
And 365$ isn't even close to what God calls us to give in tithes.
 
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No it isn't a hot topic with Christians in general, it's a hot topic with nonchristians.

A lot of churches have food pantrys.
And when desaster strikes, often times churches will ask for a special donation, or a food drive for that situation.

But you would have to go to church to know these facts.
--I'm not sure if I should take offense to that or not, but whatever's clever...

And 70% of Christians in America do not go to church.
And only 3% faithfully tithe.
I've seen a lot of homeless, I've never actually heard of any of them starving to death in America.

But the Ameican Christian is very selfish/self centered.
A lot of them spend more on pet food than they do on their fellow mankind.
That isn't exactly what Jesus had in mind when He said "And you shall love your neighbor as yourself."

You are right about the American Christian. We feel like we've really done something when we've pulled out an old canned good from the cabinet and thrown it in the "food" box at Thanksgiving.
 
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Abortion is always such a hot button when it comes to us Christians. What I don't understand is that we get all vocal in support of the unborn baby, but our loud mouths get real quiet when it comes to feeding the hungry. We support the unborn, but after you get here--make sure you find your own food...

Obama has promised to make an executive order
to allow again, the partial birth abortions,
and he intends to make all abortions to be
paid for with our tax dollars...

how could anyone vote for one who would
allow, encourage, and pay for murders
of the totally innocent babes in wombs?

even if every other policy was
perfect from him,
and all he ever did wrong was aid
murders of the unborn,
I could not vote for him...

what if he decided he would allow
parents to kill children up to five years old...
and pay for their murder, buy the bullets,
and pay for the funerals...
so as not make the murders of those
youngsters to be a financial handicap

would you vote for him then???

murder is murder...
unborn babes are still human beings,
and their murder, before birth,
or after birth, is horrendous...

we need to work to make abortion illegal,
it is already immoral...
and we need to provide easier adoption,
make sure raising and caring for children
is easier...

we put alcoholics on the 'disabled' category,
so they can get food stamps and free housing,
and enough money to buy their liquor...

I think we could take that money and
feed to ones hungry because they need
food ... not because they traded their food
stamps for a bottle of vodka...

alot of things need straightened out...

but I would not trust a murderer of
the unborn, or one who made sure it
was cheap and easy,
to be the one I would trust to straighten
out anything else...

if someone does,
maybe we should go to deathrow
at the local prison and find our supreme court
nominees...
(sarcastic)
 
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Abortion is always such a hot button when it comes to us Christians. What I don't understand is that we get all vocal in support of the unborn baby, but our loud mouths get real quiet when it comes to feeding the hungry. We support the unborn, but after you get here--make sure you find your own food...

I agree, BillynJennifer.

Can't say more though, not without the risk of offending or alienating others, which I really don't want to do. :sigh:
 
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Good for Obama. He thinks about the issues sensibly and leaves personal moral decisions where they belong: strictly between the individual conscience and God.

Not really. He supports the government (taxpayer) funding abortions and would not support saving abortion survivors that were outside the womb.

Check out this article:


By Randall Terry
Founder, Operation Rescue

A debate has emerged among Catholics and Evangelicals as to whether or not a Christian may in good conscience vote for Obama for President. Certain Evangelicals who declare them-selves “born again,” believe the Bible is the Word of God and are traditionally pro-life, have publicly embraced Obama’s campaign for the Presidency. Certain Roman Catholics who say they are pro-life are likewise working for Obama, and claiming to do so in clear conscience. Most Christians (from any Trinitarian Communion) will agree that our vote is a political expression of our faith and ethics; a part of how we integrate the Ten Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, and the teachings of Christianity into public life.

Hence, it is valid to question voting for Senator Obama in this election cycle; the principle of moral vs. immoral voting is germane in every election. For example; we can agree that no devout Christian could in clear conscience vote for an avowed racist who wanted to reinstitute slavery, even if we agreed with him on other issues that were important to us. The core question in this debate is this: can a Christian vote with a clear con-science for a candidate who supports legalized abortion? I will answer this question with three simple illustrations. You be the judge if the morals and logic stand true.

Case #1: I am in my car at a red light, and a man comes up to my window and says: “Hi. Could you please give me a ride to the bank? I have some banking to do and my car just broke down.” I say, “Sure. Hop in…” and take him to the bank. As I am leaving, to my horror I see him pull a mask over his face, draw a gun from his pocket, and enter the bank. Gunshots and screams fill the air, and the man I drove to the bank comes running out — after he murdered the banker, and stole all the money he could carry. He flees suc-cessfully. The question is: did I sin by giving this murderer and robber a ride to the bank?
The answer is:no. I did not sin,because I did not know his intent.

Case #2: I am at a traffic light, and a man comes up to my win-dow and says, “Excuse me; I’m going to rob the bank, then shoot the teller so that he won’t be able to testify against me at trial if I get caught. Would you please give me a ride to the bank?” I say, “Sure, hop in…” and give him a ride to the bank, and he fulfills his promise. Given those facts, have I partici-pated in the sin of theft and murder? The answer is:yes. In the eyes of God, and in the eyes of any court of law, I would be guilty of participating in the sin (and crime) of murder and robbery,because I knew his intent. Some say, “But Obama is not actually killing children. He is only supporting laws permitting abortion; he is not the abortionist killing the child.” Good point. Let me give the third illustration.

Case #3: I am at a traffic light, and a man comes up to my window and says, “I have a friend who intends to rob the bank and shoot the bank teller. I want to keep him out of trouble, so I promised to watch out for him while he commits the crime. If a policeman comes, I will distract him so that my friend won’t get caught. Will you please take me to the bank?” I say, “Sure. Hop in…” and take him to the bank. (On the way over, we discuss how neither of us could ever rob a bank or murder a bank teller.) We arrive and see the thief/murderer drive up, exit his car, cover his face, draw his weapon, and enter
the bank. We hear screams and gunshots. Within seconds, a policeman emerges on foot from around the corner with his gun drawn, looking anxiously for assailants or victims.

The man I gave a ride to plays his role perfectly. He jumps out of my car, yelling and pointing; “I just saw a man running down that alley with a gun in his hand and a bag he brought out of the bank!” The policeman takes the bait, and runs down the alleyway, vainly chasing a villain who is not there. The murderer merges from the bank, glances
over at his friend (my passenger), nods appreciatively, gets into his car, and
escapes. Given these facts, have I partici-pated in the sin of robbery and mur-der?
The answer is:yes.Because I knew the intent of the accompliceand I helped him and
his friend accomplish the crime,I became an accomplice; I participat-ed in the sin (and crime) of robbery and murder.

Which brings us to voting for Obama. First of all, abortion is murder, a violation of God’s com-mandment, “You Shall not Murder.” At the very least, Obama is an aggressive accomplice of child-killers. He has declared his intention to keep child-killing
(abortion) legal; to help child-killers murder the inno-cent with impunity. He has pledged to sign the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) if elected, and to appoint judges to the Supreme Court that will uphold Roe vs. Wade. Obama boasts a 100% pro-abortion voting record; he is in FAVOR of partial birth abortion, and he opposed a bill in Illinois that would require medical care for a late term baby that sur-vives an abortion.

Let the full weight of that sink in: if a late term baby girl is aborted,and survives the attempt on her life, Senator Obama OPPOSES that doctors be required to give that resilient new-born fighter the medical care that would save perversion of “the common good” to justify voting for a propo-nent of slavery. Such reasoning would appear as cruel and idiotic concerning slavery as it is for child-killing. Don’t be deceived. You know that abortion is murder.

If you vote for Obama, you will betray innocent blood. And future generations who escaped Obama and his accomplices to murder will curse your memory for your part in slaying their sisters, brothers, cousins, classmates, neighbors, friends, spouses, bishops, pastors, teachers, doctors, priests, babysitters, policemen, firemen, engineers, and more. Do you really want their blood on your hands? He who declares that it is immoral for a Christian to vote for Obama is not mistaken; rather, he is mistaken who declares it is not.
 
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