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SweetistKandie

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This is something my friend has been struggling with for a long time...
She dated a guy who would seduce her when she was drunk and take advantage of her, like sex. Then two of her brothers ''friends'' raped her when they came over...
Would she still be considered a virgin?

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I don't think she's a virgin anymore.

But, when it comes to the purpose of virginity, I think her situation is forgivable to most Christian men.

Happy B-day BTW.

I don't know all the details so I'm hesitant to say anything that might sound like judgement of your friend, but if I were her, I wouldn't go through life thinking she's an outcast from Christian circles because of it.

If it were my GF, my responses would be:

Is she a virgin? No
Does that matter to me? No
 
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Was she aware of the fact they were having sex when she was drunk? The rape, I would have to say she is obviously no longer technically a virgin. She can certainly reclaim her purity and follow Christ's teachings about sexual morality, but it would be unfair to tell someone in her future that she is a virgin. I mean, rape is a pretty serious issue, one that could affect her for years to come. It is something a future husband would need to know. I'm sorry for what happened to your friend. Rape/sexual assault is a horrible crime. I pray that she will have peace.
 
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Hi all,

I agree that purity is far more than just physical virginity. But as for forgiveness of this girl, well a woman who has been raped has done nothing wrong, and thus doesn't need forgiveness for being raped, not by God and not by her future boyfriends or husband either. As fluffy_rainbow said, her hubby would need to know about it because it can and does cause issues, so those would need to be healed and dealt with, but she doesn't need forgiveness as she didn't sin.

As many boardies here have said before, I think that virginity in and of itself is not actually as important as I, for one, was always taught. We need to consider purity as well, and why it is that this is so important. I do think the modern church has held up virginity upon marriage as a goal or status to be aspired to yet hasn't really explained why, and at times has almost implied that sex before marriage is the new "unforgiveable sin", with a kind of "well you are forgiven but you have still wrecked what you could have had and not even Jesus can do anything about it now" approach. I know many people who have been told that, even people who were raped and thus did not themselves "wreck" anything. Personally I don't believe Jesus is that small - I agree with the_man, bring on the grace hehehe).

By all this I mean that there is much more to purity than just virginity, and purity is far more important, because it enables a total sharing and relationship - and the covenantal relationship is what is protected by abstinence prior to marriage anyway! Purity is NOT an end in and of itself... it serves relationship, just as sex itself is designed to serve a covenantal relationship and draw the couple even closer together.

Really though, my little spiel doesn't matter - I don't see why this girl would need to get her purity back, since she has done nothing impure by being raped nor has she failed to adhere to Jesus' standards of morality or anything of that kind. So whilst she has been horribly damaged and will need healing and restoration I don't think she will need to get her purity back, since she didn't lose that and still has it. Purity is a state of mind as much as anything else. Heck, rape is about power not sex anyway. My favourite quote on this is from a book on domestic violence, bear with me cos I know I have quoted it here before - "rape is not about sex. If someone got hit on the head with a shovel, you wouldn't call that gardening, would you?"

In case it helps your friend, SweetistKandie, IMO the loss that hurts the most at times like this is feeling as though there is something that can't be shared exclusively with a spouse anymore, and that it is all irretrievable. "Technical" virginity may not be able to be given to her spouse anymore, but purity certainly can be, and it is purity which gives virginity its value anyway, and makes it more than just "technical". I would say she is still a virgin for that reason, since I believe virginity is far more than just about technicalities and what physical acts have been done.

It is a painful loss, but I don't believe that it is irretrievable. Plus, the fact is that someone who has been raped hasn't chosen anything.... and her choice can still be given exclusively. A rapist has contact with a person's body only (and even then, it doesn't belong to the rapist, and it is not permanent) ... and we are far more than just our bodies. A husband enjoys a covenant with his wife, and obviously, a rapist does not. A husband has just as powerful a connection with his wife on an emotional and soul level, and they share a spiritual experience in sex also. Just as a true godly loving husband and a rapist cannot be compared, a rapist cannot really rob or cheat a married couple out of anything that they are able to share together within that covenant, because a married couple have a covenanted sexual relationship that involves far more than the sex itself, and it is nothing to do with the rapist, he couldn't get near that.

OK that will do for now, it is more like two dollars than two cent's worth!


Makk
 
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SweetistKandie said:
This is something my friend has been struggling with for a long time...
She dated a guy who would seduce her when she was drunk and take advantage of her, like sex. Then two of her brothers ''friends'' raped her when they came over...
Would she still be considered a virgin?

Thanks
Jessica
If she's had sex then she's not a virgin. In the case of rape, she is a victim and not a guilty party. Rape does steal virginity, but it does not steal purity. So she can have a clear conscience about that - being raped was not her fault. As far as being seduced while drunk - that's a more blurry line. But even if she was a willing participant then, she can still save herself from now on for her future husband.
 
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fishstix said:
If she's had sex then she's not a virgin. In the case of rape, she is a victim and not a guilty party. Rape does steal virginity, but it does not steal purity. So she can have a clear conscience about that - being raped was not her fault. As far as being seduced while drunk - that's a more blurry line. But even if she was a willing participant then, she can still save herself from now on for her future husband.

Rape also can steal innocence but the person doesn't know the person who raped her.
 
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I dunno... i guess technically no... but when i was younger i was molested and stuff... (so young i couldn't remember... i just found out this past year and I'm 19)... but b/c I have never consented to it and never involved myself in it, I still consider myself a virgin. Of course I will tell the man God intends for me to marry what happened, but b/c of my innocence as a child and my choices throughout life, I still tell people I'm a virgin and I don't feel as if I'm lying. I can't speak for the seducing part though... I can just tell you how I felt about the other part.
 
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I am in the same situation as you Plan2wWalkONwata, and I deal with it the same way. I believe you can only give your virginity, you can't have it taken, since virginity is far more than a physical thing. I am upfront about the circumstances of my experiences (if I know a guy well enough and we are serious enough) but Jesus made it very clear to me I have lost nothing in terms of purity and virginity.

Makk
 
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