Matthew 7 and John 6 connecting the verses together

Neostarwcc said:

So I was studying scripture and I came across something interesting. Most of you probably have made this connection before but I happened to notice it anyway. The verses in question arwMatthew 7:21 and John 6:37-40 they read:

Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

John 6:37-40 – "All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me: that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."


So when connecting the two verses together I happened to notice that both verses together made a strong case for predestination. Why? Well because in Matthew 7:21 Jesus says that possessing faith by itself is not enough. Its not just about calling him "Lord" or about going to church or Sundays. You can have an outward possession of faith but still not have Holy Spirit and still not be born again. Jesus is making the case here that it's actually about doing the will of the Father and what is the will of the Father? Jesus did not leave us guessing he answers this question in John 6:37-40.

In John 6:37-40 Jesus says that all who come to him have been given to him by the father and he will NEVER cast them out. This seems almost contradictory because he casts out people in Matthew 7 but no this underscores the sovereignty of God in salvation rather those who are truly saved are those whom the father has given to Jesus and Jesus guarantees their preservation to the end.

Here's the connection: in Matthew 7:21 Jesus talks about the need to do the father's will and part of the fathers will as explained in John 6 is that Jesus will not lose any that the father has given him. Those who have been truly saved are those who have been chosen by God and they will come to Jesus in true faith and preserverence.

So John 6:37-40 compliments Matthew 7:21 by showing that God is the one that initiates and secures salvation and also that genuine faith will result in a life of obedience and preserverence. The people who truly belong to Jesus will not just say "Lord, Lord," but will do the will of the Father and that will involves coming to Christ in faith, being sustained by His grace, and living in accordance with His commands.

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The message in Matthew 7 doesn’t end until verse 27. Notice the word “THEREFORE” in verse 24. The word therefore means He’s not done talking about this particular subject. And God’s will means a lot of things. It means anything that God desires. God has a lot of desires that didn’t work out the way He wanted.

Neostarwcc said:

So I was studying scripture and I came across something interesting. Most of you probably have made this connection before but I happened to notice it anyway. The verses in question arwMatthew 7:21 and John 6:37-40 they read:

Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

John 6:37-40 – "All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me: that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."


So when connecting the two verses together I happened to notice that both verses together made a strong case for predestination. Why? Well because in Matthew 7:21 Jesus says that possessing faith by itself is not enough. Its not just about calling him "Lord" or about going to church or Sundays. You can have an outward possession of faith but still not have Holy Spirit and still not be born again. Jesus is making the case here that it's actually about doing the will of the Father and what is the will of the Father? Jesus did not leave us guessing he answers this question in John 6:37-40.

In John 6:37-40 Jesus says that all who come to him have been given to him by the father and he will NEVER cast them out. This seems almost contradictory because he casts out people in Matthew 7 but no this underscores the sovereignty of God in salvation rather those who are truly saved are those whom the father has given to Jesus and Jesus guarantees their preservation to the end.

Here's the connection: in Matthew 7:21 Jesus talks about the need to do the father's will and part of the fathers will as explained in John 6 is that Jesus will not lose any that the father has given him. Those who have been truly saved are those who have been chosen by God and they will come to Jesus in true faith and preserverence.

So John 6:37-40 compliments Matthew 7:21 by showing that God is the one that initiates and secures salvation and also that genuine faith will result in a life of obedience and preserverence. The people who truly belong to Jesus will not just say "Lord, Lord," but will do the will of the Father and that will involves coming to Christ in faith, being sustained by His grace, and living in accordance with His commands.

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The Hebrew word "yada" refers to an intimate relationship/knowledge gained through experience, such as in Genesis 4:1, Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived, and gave birth to Cain. God's way is the way to know (yada) Him and Jesus by being in His likeness through bring a doer of His character traits, which is the way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in God's way by being a doer of righteousness of justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know (yada) Him, in 1 Kings 2:1-3, God taught how to walk in His way through His law, and in Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to teach us how to know (yada) God and Jesus by walking in His way, which is His gift of eternal life.

Likewise, the way to believe in God is by walking in His way. For example, by being a doer of good works in obedience to God's law we are testifying about God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God's goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good. Similarly, the way to believe that God is a doer of justice is by directing our lives towards being in His likeness by being a doer of justice in obedience to His law, the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. This is exactly the same as the way to believe in the Son, who is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of God's character (Hebrews 1:3), which he expressed through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law.

Moreover, those who are born again are in God's likeness through being a doer of His character traits and the fruits of the Spirit are God's character traits, which is why those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to God's law are not born again (1 John 3:4-10) and why Paul contrasted those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to God's law (Romans 8:4-14).

Sin is what is contrary to God's way, sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4) because it was given to teach us how to walk in God's way, and sin is what is not of faith (Romans 14:23) because the way to have faith is by waling in God's way. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21), so Jesus graciously teaching us to walk in God's way is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not walking in God's way. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us do His will by walking in His way is intrinsically part of His gift of saving us from not walking in His way.

Neostarwcc said:

So I was studying scripture and I came across something interesting. Most of you probably have made this connection before but I happened to notice it anyway. The verses in question arwMatthew 7:21 and John 6:37-40 they read:

Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

John 6:37-40 – "All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me: that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."


So when connecting the two verses together I happened to notice that both verses together made a strong case for predestination. Why? Well because in Matthew 7:21 Jesus says that possessing faith by itself is not enough. Its not just about calling him "Lord" or about going to church or Sundays. You can have an outward possession of faith but still not have Holy Spirit and still not be born again. Jesus is making the case here that it's actually about doing the will of the Father and what is the will of the Father? Jesus did not leave us guessing he answers this question in John 6:37-40.

In John 6:37-40 Jesus says that all who come to him have been given to him by the father and he will NEVER cast them out. This seems almost contradictory because he casts out people in Matthew 7 but no this underscores the sovereignty of God in salvation rather those who are truly saved are those whom the father has given to Jesus and Jesus guarantees their preservation to the end.

Here's the connection: in Matthew 7:21 Jesus talks about the need to do the father's will and part of the fathers will as explained in John 6 is that Jesus will not lose any that the father has given him. Those who have been truly saved are those who have been chosen by God and they will come to Jesus in true faith and preserverence.

So John 6:37-40 compliments Matthew 7:21 by showing that God is the one that initiates and secures salvation and also that genuine faith will result in a life of obedience and preserverence. The people who truly belong to Jesus will not just say "Lord, Lord," but will do the will of the Father and that will involves coming to Christ in faith, being sustained by His grace, and living in accordance with His commands.

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You failed to mention the strong Eucharistic connection in John chapter 6, which is a fundamentally Eucharistic chapter, which forms the Gospel of John’s equivalent to the Institution Narratives found in the Synoptics and in 1 Corinthians 11.

Where this becomes interesting relevant to your argument is if one considers the promise of Christ in John 6 in a Eucharistic manner, together with the warnings given by the Holy Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:27-34.

It establishes clearly that Holy Communion is the apex of the life of the Church and the very medicine of immortality, but if abused, if taken unworthily not discerning the Body and Blood of our Lord, which we are required to partake of according to John 6, the results can be fatal.