matthew 7:21

[full]

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in heaven."

can someone help me understand this quote?
i think i kinda get it, but need a bit of an elaboration....

thankyou.

 

[Willie T]

The key here would be to determine what the "will of my Father" might be.

Most will tell you that it is following some rules or law... following commandments
But is it?

What do you remember about the Bible saying God's will is? Might it be that none would die, but that all would come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ?

Is not trusting Jesus and becoming saved, "entering the Kingdom of Heaven"?

 

[full]

could it be refering to the distinction of only believing in 'God' vs believeing in jesus as well...

i know you've heard ppl 'i believe in something' ... but not being 'relgious'

if this quote doesn't refer to that...do you know which one does?

and if anyone else has anything to add to this one, please do

 

[Willie T]

could it be refering to the distinction of only believing in 'God' vs believeing in jesus as well...

i know you've heard ppl 'i believe in something' ... but not being 'relgious'

if this quote doesn't refer to that...do you know which one does?

and if anyone else has anything to add to this one, please do

I'm not sure I'm following what you are saying.

 

[Tigger45]

My understanding is they knew Jesus by name but did not have an intimate relationship with Him. When Jesus says I never knew you that word in the Greek is a very intimate type of knowing. So I believe the verse is saying you call me by name but you are not one with me.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Here is just a few on his will

Ephes 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

1Thes 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

1Thes 4:3-4 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

1Thes 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:

1John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Heb 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

1Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

1Peter 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

1Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Heb 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
Being made perfect through suffering

1Thes 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

His will is our sanctification

1Thes 4:3-4 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour

These are all of one

Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

If you look at where "Lord, Lord" is shown variously, it shows the unwise (or foolish) which hear his words and not do them

Ephes 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

I keep turning these along with others finding a patern in them, but heres just a few which can show in their wording the same principal.

The same is shown in building on a rock (hearing his words and doing them) = wise.

The apostles admonish us who "name" the name of the Lord to DEPART FROM inquity (for the Lord KNOWETH them that ARE HIS) whereas Jesus is shown saying, DEPART FROM ME who WORK inquity (I NEVER KNEW YOU) thus the apostles warning. And this was to those who "name" the name of the Lord, just as in the picture with Jesus we see them stressing his name, saying, Have we not in your name (done this) that (or the other?).

The other portion of it consists a division (of sheep and goats) as it pertains to the LEAST OF THESE (My BRETHREN). Then when you look you will see who Jesus is NOT shamed to call brethren. Both HE that sanctifies and THEY which ARE sanctified (are all of one) thus he is not ashamed to call THESE brethren. You can catch quite a few of these things in the epistles speaking the same (or in accord with then) in various ways. I am unable to post too much at one time right now, save to copy paste from what I have already.

Not sure if any of this helped, but maybe it can add to your post in some way.

God bless you

 

[full]

no, that was great. i wasn't expecting such an indepth response...

i was just hoping you could maybe help me get to the bottom of this passage
that you brought up????
i feel it's very related to the first verse i posted....

thank youuu

The apostles admonish us who "name" the name of the Lord to DEPART FROM inquity (for the Lord KNOWETH them that ARE HIS) whereas Jesus is shown saying, DEPART FROM ME who WORK inquity (I NEVER KNEW YOU) thus the apostles warning. And this was to those who "name" the name of the Lord, just as in the picture with Jesus we see them stressing his name, saying, Have we not in your name (done this) that (or the other?).

 

[Fireinfolding]

no, that was great. i wasn't expecting such an indepth response...

i was just hoping you could maybe help me get to the bottom of this passage
that you brought up????
i feel it's very related to the first verse i posted....

thank youuu

The apostles admonish us who "name" the name of the Lord to DEPART FROM inquity (for the Lord KNOWETH them that ARE HIS) whereas Jesus is shown saying, DEPART FROM ME who WORK inquity (I NEVER KNEW YOU) thus the apostles warning. And this was to those who "name" the name of the Lord, just as in the picture with Jesus we see them stressing his name, saying, Have we not in your name (done this) that (or the other?).

You are welcome I have this previously written up a few ways, having just posted this one recently, I have others, but maybe it will help by way of comparing between (for you).

Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Though who is Christ not ashamed to call brethren?

For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren

As it also it speaks of who is none of his also

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his.

Says the Lord knoweth them that are his

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.

And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Contrast the knowing part

The Lord knoweth them that are his.

Verses...

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you

And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So depart from iniquity

Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Or depart from me ye that work iniquity

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Shown in this other way here (not the same) but as one belonging to Christ

For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.


Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
　
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethrenye have done it unto me.

Which again...

For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren

I just compare (myself ) and try to find things which agree in themselves in accord with how they might be worded so as to better understand for myself. But I'll cross compare a thing in many various ways, before I am convinced (in myself) and this is just one of them. I'll try to find another one, which basically shows the same thing with a few add ins into it.

God bless you

 

[ebedmelech]

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father who is in heaven."

can someone help me understand this quote?
i think i kinda get it, but need a bit of an elaboration....

thankyou.

This is about false profession. That is why Jesus said it.

Think about those who are preaching the gospel for their love of money and are basically running a scam.

Think about those who say they are Christians and yet they live a life that is the antithesis of that.

There are those who say they believe on Jesus but deny he is God.

Many think they have Jesus and when they stand before Him...they'll know they don't.

 

[jdbear]

Hi full. You quoted Mt.7:21. The will of God is Mt.7:24, which includes everything Jesus taught. Do your best!

 

[full]

This is about false profession. That is why Jesus said it.

Think about those who are preaching the gospel for their love of money and are basically running a scam.

Think about those who say they are Christians and yet they live a life that is the antithesis of that.

There are those who say they believe on Jesus but deny he is God.

Many think they have Jesus and when they stand before Him...they'll know they don't.

thanks, that helps....
your last one, what do you mean 'have jesus'....is it possible to know if you do or don't...

sorry....now i'm harping on this....
so many questions

 

[full]

Do your best!

thank you

 

[ebedmelech]

thanks, that helps....
your last one, what do you mean 'have jesus'....is it possible to know if you do or don't...

sorry....now i'm harping on this....
so many questions

That would be something that is confirmed in one spiritually. Remember that Romans 8 tells us that the Holy Spirit testifies with our Spirit that we are the children of God;
Romans 8:14-16
14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!”
16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

As believers we have to "test the spirits" to ensure they are from God:
1 John 4:1-3:
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

Satan comes like an "angel of light"...one of his main ways is religion.