Matthew 24:28 and Luke 17:37

[RaddMadd]

Matthew 24:28 (kjv)

For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:28 (niv)

Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather

Luke 17:37 (kjv)

And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Luke 17:37 (niv)

"Where, Lord?" they asked.
He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."

(nice bible site here: http://www.biblegateway.com you'll want to check the content around the scripture)

what are these talking about?

 

[artjack]

nature & pointless competion in the long run, greed at a time, sadness and joy, the fact that god demands at least one death but that life can go on after.

 

[RaddMadd]

ok, thanx for the reply. don't think i understand what your saying fully though, is it like, "where the carcase is" that would be the pointless things of life, "the voltures gather" life goes after? lol i don't know.

 

[IamAdopted]

Matthew 24:28 (kjv)

For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:28 (niv)

Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather

Luke 17:37 (kjv)

And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Luke 17:37 (niv)

"Where, Lord?" they asked.
He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."

(nice bible site here: http://www.biblegateway.com you'll want to check the content around the scripture)

what are these talking about?

This is talking about When the Lord brings all things into focus and His eternal reign.. I do not believe that this is the rapture but the end times...

 

[artjack]

ok, thanx for the reply. don't think i understand what your saying fully though, is it like, "where the carcase is" that would be the pointless things of life, "the voltures gather" life goes after? lol i don't know.

compeating for food to stay alive is pointless when at least one death (regaurding ones own life & time) is demanded by god of everyone.

 

[IamAdopted]

This is talking about When the Lord brings all things into focus and His eternal reign.. I do not believe that this is the rapture but the end times...

Tee hee sorry I got ahead of myself and probably confused you even more.. For this I ask for forgiveness.. I will post as I study the scripture.. Once again sorry for the confusion.

 

[OntheDL]

Matthew 24:28 (kjv)

For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:28 (niv)

Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather

Luke 17:37 (kjv)

And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Luke 17:37 (niv)

"Where, Lord?" they asked.
He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."

(nice bible site here: http://www.biblegateway.com you'll want to check the content around the scripture)

what are these talking about?

Luke 17
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

This passage is repeated in Matt 24 about the second coming of Jesus. It (Luke 17) says one shall be taken, the other left. The one left will be slain. The bible talks about the wicked will be slain at the Lord's second coming. And there will be no one left to bury them. Therefore the eagles will be feasting on their dead bodies.

Their respective chapters give the clue.

Matt 24
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
...
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Verse 39 here says the coming of the Lord shall be like the days of Noah, the wicked will be slain. Luke 17:26-30 basically say the same thing.

 

[Macca]

Matthew 24:28 (kjv)

For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:28 (niv)

Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather

Luke 17:37 (kjv)

And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Luke 17:37 (niv)

"Where, Lord?" they asked.
He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."

(nice bible site here: http://www.biblegateway.com you'll want to check the content around the scripture)

what are these talking about?

try reading these verses in the New Living Bible.
As the vultures (eagles) gather is a sign that there are dead carcasses near by.
you know that the sign of vultures gathering means there is death nearby; so, said Jesus " Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near."

 

[thereselittleflower]

Matthew 24:28 (kjv)

For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:28 (niv)

Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather

Luke 17:37 (kjv)

And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Luke 17:37 (niv)

"Where, Lord?" they asked.
He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."

(nice bible site here: http://www.biblegateway.com you'll want to check the content around the scripture)

what are these talking about?

If you put this into its historical context, and the previous words of one being taken and the other left, it becomes easier to understand.

Jesus gave several examples of one being taken (by implication to saftey, as the underlying Greek suggests) and the other being left (being forsaken as the underlying Greek suggests) . . Just before this He speaks of the necessity of fleeing when they see the coming destruction far off, not returning to the city, etc . . .

Now, if we put this in its historical context, in 70AD the Roman army marched on Jerusalem . . when they were off in the distance, the Christains remembered Jesus' warning to flee, and so they fled exactly as He told them . . these were taken in by those areas to which they fled, many fled to Petra in Jordan.

But those who were left behind were surrounded by the Roman army as Rome laid seige to Jerusalem. They destroyed the Temple and slaughtered the priesthood, and then camped about Jerusalem totally surrounding it, preventing anyone from entering or leaving. . . . and they stayed there for at least a year . . They were forsaken by all . . . .

The people trapped inside slowly starved to death, even resorting to canabalism . . . mothers eating their own children.

The number of dead in the streets mounted . . . .

. . . . .and the vultures gathered . . . . .


The answer to their question would be so obvious, that all Jesus had to say was

Where the dead body is, the vultures will gather . . . ​

.

 

[RaddMadd]

okay, thank you everyone. God bless, that all really helped, I understand it now. i guess i was confused because the way its worded, they ask a question "where will they be taken?" then Jesus says "where the carcase is the eagles gather" and His reply doesn't sound like its in line with the question, He's not stating a location, or how they die, hes just stating that they do? so i got confused i guess lol. really its kinda self explanitory lol, but yeah. so thanx. <><

 

[Beasley]

I agree with OntheDL, this is a second coming passage and all the wicked will be slain like in the days of Noah, leaving only believers preserved alive to go on into the beginning of the Millennial reign of Christ.

Similiar to the Luke and Matthew passage is Rev. 19

11And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is calledFaithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. 12His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself.
13He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
14And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.
15From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and (He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.
16And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "(KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."
17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying toall the birds which fly in midheaven, "Come, assemble for the great supper of God,
18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great."
19And I saw the beast and he kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

Its important to note in this passage that the wedding has already taken place in heaven and that the saints have already been clothed in their wedding garments (which are the righteous acts of the saints - rewards) before the 2nd advent of Christ.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Jesus gave several examples of one being taken (by implication to saftey, as the underlying Greek suggests) and the other being left (being forsaken as the underlying Greek suggests) . . Just before this He speaks of the necessity of fleeing when they see the coming destruction far off, not returning to the city, etc . . .

Now, if we put this in its historical context, in 70AD the Roman army marched on Jerusalem . . when they were off in the distance, the Christains remembered Jesus' warning to flee, and so they fled exactly as He told them . . these were taken in by those areas to which they fled, many fled to Petra in Jordan.

That would be my view also and many places in the OT/OC implies the Hebrew Israelites carcasses will be food for the birds of heavens if they transgress His laws.

http://www.davieapostolicchurch.com/studies/destuct/

[YOUNG LT] Deut 28:26 and thy carcass hath been for food to every fowl of the heavens, and to the beast of the land, and there is none causing trembling. 52 `And it hath laid siege to thee in all thy gates, till thy walls come down, the high and the fenced ones in which thou art trusting, in all thy land; yea, it hath laid siege to thee in all thy gates, in all thy land, which Jehovah thy God hath given to thee; 53 and thou hast eaten the fruit of thy body, flesh of thy sons and thy daughters (whom Jehovah thy God hath given to thee), in the siege, and in the straitness with which thine enemies do straiten thee.

Matthew 24:28 for wherever the carcass may be, there shall the eagles be gathered together.

Luke 17:37 And they answering say to him, `Where, sir?' and he said to them, `Where the carcass, there will the eagles be gathered together.'

2 Peter 3:4 and saying, `Where is the promise of the ParousiaV <3952> of Him? for from whichthe fatherswere-reposed, all/panta <3956> these is continuing from beginning of creation;'

 

[InkBlott]

I think the vultures are the false messiahs.

Worldly social structures break down over time. It happened to Jerusalem, with its precarious relationship with Rome. It happened to Rome in turn. The creepiest part is that here comes a point when it is, for all intents and purposes, already dead, and people know it on an intuitive level but they're not ready to fully, consciously realize it. So they cling to their old life. There's a terrible unrest and foreboding that's not being named out loud. After all, the carcass is starting to stink and everything built on it is starting to stink too. But they cling.

That's absolutely prime time for those who have a penchant for setting themselves up as prophets or messiahs, for whatever they want to get out of it -- money, notoriety, martyrdom, whatever. You can find them in shadowy rooms, in wilderness encampments, all sorts of places. It almost doesn't matter what message they bring, as long as they promise something to distract people from what they know in the pit of their stomachs is coming.

So a superabundance of prophets and messiahs are a sign that something is wrong, deep down, stinking-carcass-wrong with a society.

The end is near.

The message of the Christ is of a different order entirely. It does not distract. It does not lull. It illuminates. It puts a spotlight on what's wrong, whether you can stand it or not. The Gospel, if you have a heart for it, will wake you up more awake than you've ever been before to the awful truth of anything and everything that is dead and dying -- IF you have the heart for it.

The end is near.

But...

...the kingdom is at hand.

That's the difference.

 

[Rick Otto]

Yeah, the eagle was the symbol of Roman power & authority. Temporal power & authority rules over the flesh, which is dead in comparison to the spirit.
They figuratively feed on carcasses, filling up their membership of subjects with lifeless souls, building their power & authority into fullness.