Matthew 24:1 only verse study only

[LittleLambofJesus]

What I wold like to do is a word study on this verse and how words in this verse are used in other places of the NC/NT. The word used for "buildings" is used in only 3 verse of the Gospels: Matt 14:1, Mark 13:1,2 and I will put that up on the next post, the Lord willing.

Also, this word used for Temple #2411 is used in only one verse outside of the Gospels and Acts, and that in 1 Corin 9:13 [it is not used in Revelation or the the rest of the Epistles].

Matthew 24:1 And coming-out, the Jesus, departing from the Temple, and toward-came the disciples of Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.

TexRec) Matthew 24:1 kai exelqwn o ihsouV eporeueto apo tou ierou kai proshlqon oi maqhtai autou epideixai autw taV oikodomaV tou ierou

1 Corinthians 9:13 Not ye have know that the-ones, the sacred-things working out of the Temple/ierou <2411> are eating, the ones to the alter beside-settling to the altar are together-partaking?

2411. hieron neuter of 2413; a sacred place, i.e. the entire precincts (whereas 3485 denotes the central sanctuary itself) of the Temple (at Jerusalem or elsewhere):--temple.

It is also used as the prefix for the greek word for "jerusalem" of which 2 different greek words are used for that city.

Hierousalem (Strong's 2419) occurs 83 times in 80 verses:
ierou-salhm <2419> #2411 #4532

Hierosoluma (Strong's 2414) occurs 59 times in 59 verses:
iero-soluma <2414>,

 

[Yarddog]

Hi Lamb,
What is the point you are making? And a question about Matthew. It was originally written in Hebrew and later translated into Greek by an unknown someone. We know by reading Sirach. He says: For words spoken originally in Hebrew are not as effective when they are translated into another language. That is true not only of this book but of the law itself, the prophets and the rest of the books, which differ no little when they are read in the original.

How might this have affected Matthews translation?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Matthew 24:1 also harmonizes well with Mark 13:1, and this greek word for "buildings" is used only in these 3 verses of the Gospels.

Matthew 24:1 And coming-out, the Jesus, departing from the Temple, and toward-came the disciples of Him to show to Him the buildings/oikodomaV <3619>of the Temple.

Mark 13:1 And of going forth of Him out of the Temple, is saying to Him one of His disciples: "Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings/oikodomai <3619>"
2 And the Jesus answering said to him "thou are beholding these? the great buildings/oikodomaV <3619>? Not no may be being left stone upon stone which not no may be being demoished".

3619. oikodome oy-kod-om-ay' feminine (abstract) of a compound of 3624 and the base of 1430; architecture, i.e. (concretely) a structure; figuratively, confirmation:--building, edify(-ication, -ing).
3624. oikos oy'-kos of uncertain affinity; a dwelling (more or less extensive, literal or figurative); by implication, a family (more or less related, literally or figuratively):--home, house(-hold), temple.
1430. doma do'-mah from demo (to build); properly, an edifice, i.e. (specially) a roof:--housetop

3618. oikodomeo oy-kod-om-eh'-o from the same as 3619; to be a house-builder, i.e. construct or (figuratively) confirm:--(be in) build(-er, -ing, up), edify, embolden.
3620. oikodomia oy-kod-om-ee'-ah from the same as 3619; confirmation:--edifying.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi Lamb,
What is the point you are making? And a question about Matthew. It was originally written in Hebrew and later translated into Greek by an unknown someone. We know by reading Sirach. He says: For words spoken originally in Hebrew are not as effective when they are translated into another language. That is true not only of this book but of the law itself, the prophets and the rest of the books, which differ no little when they are read in the original.

How might this have affected Matthews translation?

Greetings. My view is the book of Revelation is showing the fulfillment of the Olivet Discourse/Daniel, and I will be harmonizing verses from this chapter to Revelation as we go thru each verse.

After I have gone thru this verse, I will start a thread on Verse 2. Thoughts?

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7164949&page=2
DO NOT WEEP!!!!! The Great City

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That looks like that is about it for the 1st verse. Here are the 3 Greek texts I will be using to translate each verse word-for-word as it accurs in those texts.

The W-H appears to have some of the words in reverse order compared to the other 2, but that is a minor variance I believe.

Matthew 24:1 And coming-out, the Jesus, departing from the Temple, and toward-came the disciples of Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

TexRec) Matthew 24:1 kai exelqwn o ihsouV eporeueto apo tou ierou kai proshlqon oi maqhtai autou epideixai autw taV oikodomaV tou ierou

ByzMaj) Matthew 24:1 kai exelqwn o ihsouV eporeueto apo tou ierou kai proshlqon oi maqhtai autou epideixai autw taV oikodomaV tou ierou

W-H) Matthew 24:1 kai exelqwn o ihsouV apo tou ierou eporeueto kai proshlqon oi maqhtai autou epideixai autw taV oikodomaV tou ierou

NKJV) Matthew 24:1 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple.

NASB) Matthew 24:1 Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him.

Rotherham) Matthew 24:1 And Jesus coming forth from the temple, was taking his departure, when his disciples came forward to point out to him the buildings of the temple.

 

[Yarddog]

Greetings. My view is the book of Revelation is showing the fulfillment of the Olivet Discourse/Daniel, and I will be harmonizing verses from this chapter to Revelation as we go thru each verse.

After I have gone thru this verse, I will start a thread on Verse 2. Thoughts?

I personally stay away from trying to understand Revelation, especially by using my intellect.
Someone asked me to discuss some verses of Rev. a few years ago and when I turned to the book, the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said that I was not called into prophesy but into faith.
I knew that what was in Rev. did not matter to me as long as my faith was properly in place. God would let me know what to do and when to do it. I mainly need faith to wait and to act when told to.

Yarddog

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I personally stay away from trying to understand Revelation, especially by using my intellect.
Someone asked me to discuss some verses of Rev. a few years ago and when I turned to the book, the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said that I was not called into prophesy but into faith.
I knew that what was in Rev. did not matter to me as long as my faith was properly in place. God would let me know what to do and when to do it. I mainly need faith to wait and to act when told to.

Yarddog

Greetings. I understand. The LORD and Holy Spirit is what led me into studying and translating that highly Divine symbolic book, and I am hoping to make it easier to understand for other Christians as I realize the Catholics believe it is mostly fulfilled. Thanks for your response.

 

[Thekla]

there are a 'ton' of words related to ierou/n (most begin) with ier

like: victim, priest, sacrifice, festival, sacred rite, worship, dedicate

its neat that one above you mention is oikos - house (and related to English economy/oikonomia, though the Gr. means a bit diff.)

 

[plmarquette]

the temple of david, of solomon ...the holy, most holy, and holy of holies....