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It certainly doesn't mean biological father, does it? So why the big fuss when we call our priests a spiritual "father" according to Scripture??? Is "reverend" supposed to be more biblical???You're willfully ignoring the fact that the passage you cited specifies God as our SPIRITUAL FATHER.
It's talking about spiritual figures. Also, "Honour your father and mother" is the fifth commandment, not the fourth. The fourth is actually, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God." Which Catholics also don't follow.
WRONG. Jesus was telling them not to elevate rabbis and teachers to the level of the heavenly Father. Your eisegesis is glaring.
Your Bible twisting is offensive... In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites.
Matt. 23:8 – in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either.
Judges 17:10; 18:19 – priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means “communicating one’s nature,” and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.
Eph. 3:14-15 – every family in heaven and on earth is named from the “Father.” We are fathers in the Father.
Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 – elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, “Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?”
1 Cor. 4:15 – Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.”
1 Cor. 4:17 – Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful “child” in the Lord.
2 Cor. 12:14 – Paul describes his role as parent over his “children” the Corinthians.
Phil. 2:22 – Paul calls Timothy’s service to him as a son serves a “father.”
1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders’ ministry to the people like a father with his children.
1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 – Paul calls Timothy his true “child” in the faith and his son.
Titus 1:4 – Paul calls Titus his true “child” in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.
Philemon 10 – Paul says he has become the “father” of Onesimus.
Heb. 12:7,9 – emphasizes our earthly “fathers.” But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).
1 Peter 5:13 – Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his “son.”
1 John 2:1,13,14 – John calls the elders of the Church “fathers.”
1 John 2:1,18,28; 3:18; 5:21; 3 John 4 – John calls members of the Church “children.”
We call our priests "Father" because it's biblical and have been doing it since the time of Paul.
Thus when we call any man our father, we do it to shew respect to his age, not as regarding him as the author of our being.
Again, is it Blow against Catholic or does it just show that the many Protestants do not understand the true meaning behind Matthew 23:9?
I would like to think that Catholicism has a good defense for what they are doing because I genuinely want to think the best of all Christians, and usually Catholics have fairly good reasons for what they do.
The sad thing to me is that you actually think this silly post is some kind of thoughtful and profound argument against Protestants who speak against the unscriptural priesthood propagated by the so called Roman Catholic church.Matthew 23:9 is it a Blow / Bashing Against Catholics or does it just show that many Protestants do not understand Matthew 23:9?
Matthew 23:9And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.
For the many Protestants who bash the Catholics for calling a Priest Father or their own Father Father, MUST not Obey the 4th Commandment of “Honor thy father and mother".
It is sad for one to Obey the 4th Commandment,“Honor thy father and mother", and then Bash Catholics for Calling a Priest Father or their own Father, Father???
Honor thy Father and Mother: This commandment obliges the faithful to show respect for their parents — as children and adults. Children must obey their parents, and adults must respect and see to the care of their parents, when they become old and infirm.
Again, is it Blow against Catholic or does it just show that the many Protestants do not understand the true meaning behind Matthew 23:9?
To you who uses Matthew 23:9 to bash Catholics, do you "Honor your Father and Mother"??? If, you say you Do "honor your Father and Mother", then please do not use Matthew 23:9 against Catholics, because you will contradicting yourself. Amen
I think kepha31 and Jerome did an awesome job
Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father.
Jerome has a great explanation: "when we call any man our father, we do it to shew respect to his age, not as regarding him as the author of our being.
The Rabbis were not insisting that they be elevated to the level of the Heavenly Father Himself. They would have readily recognized this to be blasphemy. Jesus was merely telling the disciples not to elevate themselves above other men because they have One Father in Heaven, and because He found the fact that the Pharisees loved to be greeting with titles by other men to be very displeasing to Him.
What bearing in your opinion do verses 1-7 have on verses 8-10, and what is the point of verse 11?
1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
The sin of regarding a Rabbi or teacher as "the very Author of our being" is never discussed in the passage. To say it's being discussed here insinuates that this must be what the Pharisees were doing, and for a Pharisee to be equating himself with the Heavenly Father would have been a death sentence.
"How do you refer to your mother's husband? What do you call him?" If a Catholic is wrong in calling his priest "father," then everyone who refers to his own natural father as "father" is also in the wrong. Both usages would be prohibited by a literal interpretation of Jesus' words.
You miss the context of Matthew 23 for it addresses the issue of coveting rank and glory: the root of which is pride. Additionally Jesus also made it clear that no one can truly be called a teacher if they have something to learn; nor, can one be called a true father if he himself has been fathered: these titles soley belong to God.Matthew 23:9 is it a Blow / Bashing Against Catholics or does it just show that many Protestants do not understand Matthew 23:9?
Matthew 23:9And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.
For the many Protestants who bash the Catholics for calling a Priest Father or their own Father Father, MUST not Obey the 4th Commandment of “Honor thy father and mother".
It is sad for one to Obey the 4th Commandment,“Honor thy father and mother", and then Bash Catholics for Calling a Priest Father or their own Father, Father???
Honor thy Father and Mother: This commandment obliges the faithful to show respect for their parents — as children and adults. Children must obey their parents, and adults must respect and see to the care of their parents, when they become old and infirm.
Again, is it Blow against Catholic or does it just show that the many Protestants do not understand the true meaning behind Matthew 23:9?
To you who uses Matthew 23:9 to bash Catholics, do you "Honor your Father and Mother"??? If, you say you Do "honor your Father and Mother", then please do not use Matthew 23:9 against Catholics, because you will contradicting yourself. Amen
The text you quoted goes on to specify our Father, ... who is in heaven.
As He is SPIRIT, that would specify a SPIRITUAL FATHER.
Matthew 23:9 is it a Blow / Bashing Against Catholics or does it just show that many Protestants do not understand Matthew 23:9?
Matthew 23:9And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.
For the many Protestants who bash the Catholics for calling a Priest Father or their own Father Father, MUST not Obey the 4th Commandment of “Honor thy father and mother".
It is sad for one to Obey the 4th Commandment,“Honor thy father and mother", and then Bash Catholics for Calling a Priest Father or their own Father, Father???
Honor thy Father and Mother: This commandment obliges the faithful to show respect for their parents — as children and adults. Children must obey their parents, and adults must respect and see to the care of their parents, when they become old and infirm.
Again, is it Blow against Catholic or does it just show that the many Protestants do not understand the true meaning behind Matthew 23:9?
To you who uses Matthew 23:9 to bash Catholics, do you "Honor your Father and Mother"??? If, you say you Do "honor your Father and Mother", then please do not use Matthew 23:9 against Catholics, because you will contradicting yourself. Amen
I don't think so - it seems rather that is where the biggest problems and mis-constructions developed.it would seem the place to find their meaning would be within the church.
Yes, thank you : "just one". not many. Like one earthly/biological father.you do not have many fathers.
I'm fairly certain it's talking about the relationship between a disciple and a teacher/pastor/priest. It's unhealthy to put another person on a pedestal as if every word he speaks extends from God. That can happen in just about any church.Matthew 23:9 is it a Blow / Bashing Against Catholics or does it just show that many Protestants do not understand Matthew 23:9?
Matthew 23:9And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.
For the many Protestants who bash the Catholics for calling a Priest Father or their own Father Father, MUST not Obey the 4th Commandment of “Honor thy father and mother".
It is sad for one to Obey the 4th Commandment,“Honor thy father and mother", and then Bash Catholics for Calling a Priest Father or their own Father, Father???
Honor thy Father and Mother: This commandment obliges the faithful to show respect for their parents — as children and adults. Children must obey their parents, and adults must respect and see to the care of their parents, when they become old and infirm.
Again, is it Blow against Catholic or does it just show that the many Protestants do not understand the true meaning behind Matthew 23:9?
To you who uses Matthew 23:9 to bash Catholics, do you "Honor your Father and Mother"??? If, you say you Do "honor your Father and Mother", then please do not use Matthew 23:9 against Catholics, because you will contradicting yourself. Amen
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