Matt 1:21 He Shall save His People

zoidar · Feb 8, 2022

BBAS 64 said:
His people were given to Him, by the Father

Joh 17:6 “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.

In John 17:6 it's plural. "The men" given to him. In Matthew 1:21 it's singular, it's "a people" of His. That's not the same thing.

Btw in John 17:6 "the men given Him" are the twelve apostles.

While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
— John 17:12

zoidar · Feb 8, 2022

Clare73 said:
The gospels contain the same revelation as the epistles.

"My people" by natural birth of the Old Covenant is a foreshadow of "my people" by spiritual rebirth in the New Covenant.

Of course they are and of course it is. But that's not how "my people" is used in the Gospels. It's not a matter of revelation, but a matter of subject, what's being "discussed".

I don't know how I could show this more clearly. Maybe just accept we don't agree?

Maybe this?

Therefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God. For I say that Christ has become a servant to the circumcision on behalf of the truth of God to confirm the promises given to the fathers, and for the Gentiles to glorify God for His mercy; as it is written,
“Therefore I will give praise to You among the Gentiles,
And I will sing to Your name.”
Again he says,
“Rejoice, O Gentiles, with His people.”
And again,
“Praise the Lord all you Gentiles,
And let all the peoples praise Him.”
— Romans 15:7-11

BBAS 64 · Feb 8, 2022

zoidar said:
In John 17:6 it's plural. "The men" given to him. In Matthew 1:21 it's singular, it's "a people" of His. That's not the same thing.

Btw in John 17:6 "the men given Him" are the twelve apostles.

While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
— John 17:12

Good Day, Zoidar

People:

Thayer Definition:
1) a people, people group, tribe, nation, all those who are of the same stock and language
2) of a great part of the population gathered together anywhere
Part of Speech: noun masculine

If People is singular what would the Plural be.... Peoples?

Would you also contend the "their" pronoun that represents the noun People is also singular as well?

Mat 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”

In Him,

Bill

Clare73 · Feb 8, 2022

zoidar said:
Of course they are and of course it is. But
that's not how "my people" is used in the Gospels.

Were not "my people" disowned in the gospel (Matthew 8:11-12, Matthew 21:43; Luke 11:50-51)?

It's not a matter of revelation, but a matter of subject, what's being "discussed".
I don't know how I could show this more clearly. Maybe just accept we don't agree?

Probably. . .

Maybe this? Therefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God. For I say that Christ has become a servant to the circumcision on behalf of the truth of God to confirm the promises given to the fathers, and for the Gentiles to glorify God for His mercy; it is written,
“Therefore I will give praise to You among the Gentiles,
And I will sing to Your name.”

Again he says,
“Rejoice, O Gentiles, with His people.”
And again,
“Praise the Lord all you Gentiles,
And let all the peoples praise Him.”
— Romans 15:7-11

Thanks.

However, "his people" is not a NT usage there, it is from the OT, (Deuteronomy 32:43) where the phrase refers to Israel, as does the NT phrase, "the circumcision," as well as any time the phrase is used in reference to the OT.

In Luke 1:68, as well as in Romans 9:25 and 2 Corinthians 6:16 (where in both, the OT is specifically applied to the NT); and in 1 Peter 2:10, for example, it refers to the church.

zoidar · Feb 8, 2022

BBAS 64 said:
Good Day, Zoidar

People:

Thayer Definition:
1) a people, people group, tribe, nation, all those who are of the same stock and language
2) of a great part of the population gathered together anywhere
Part of Speech: noun masculine

If People is singular what would the Plural be.... Peoples?

Yes!

Would you also contend the "their" pronoun that represents the noun People is also singular as well?

Mat 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”

In Him,

Bill

Actually it's a tricky question you are asking.

Edit: Isn't the reason that it's "their" that the people (singular) consists of many persons (plural)? So Jesus will save the people Israel (singular), the Jews (plural) from their sins.

zoidar · Feb 8, 2022

Clare73 said:
Were not "my people" disowned in the gospel (Matthew 8:11-12, Matthew 21:43; Luke 11:50-51)?

No, if they were, all of them would have been lost. But now the proof that God hasn't rejected His people Israel, is that Paul too is an Israelite and He has not been rejected.

But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says,
“I will make you jealous by that which is not a nation,
By a nation without understanding will I anger you.”
And Isaiah is very bold and says,
“I was found by those who did not seek Me,
I became manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”
But as for Israel He says, “All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
— Romans 10:19-21, 11:1

In Luke 1:68, as well as in Romans 9:25 and 2 Corinthians 6:16 (where in both, the OT is specifically applied to the NT); and in 1 Peter 2:10, for example, it refers to the church.

Luke 1:68 ? How do you figure?

“And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High;
For you will go on before the Lord to prepare His ways;
To give to His people the knowledge of salvation
By the forgiveness of their sins,
— Luke 1:76-77

From the descendants of this man, according to promise, God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus, after John had proclaimed before His coming a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
— Acts 13:23-24

Clare73 · Feb 9, 2022

zoidar said:
No, if they were, all of them would have been lost. But now the proof that God hasn't rejected His people Israel, is that Paul too is an Israelite and He has not been rejected.

That is contra-NT and proof of nothing.

But for a remnant, "cut off the one olive tree" of God's people (Romans 11:17, 19) means rejection of national Israel as God's people.
They are no different now than Gentiles. . .only those who believe in his one and only Son are God's people, none are God's people by natural birth, as it was in the time of Christ.

But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says,
“I will make you jealous by that which is not a nation,
By a nation without understanding will I anger you.”
And Isaiah is very bold and says,
“I was found by those who did not seek Me,
I became manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”
But as for Israel He says, “All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
— Romans 10:19-21, 11:1

Luke 1:68 ? How do you figure?

All and only those in Christ, the church and body of Christ, are God' people in the new order (Hebrews 9:10) of the New Covenant.
And that church is the fulfillment of the ages (1 Corinthians 10:11),
it is the last times and the end of the ages (1 Peter 1:20; Hebrews 1:2, Hebrews 9:26),
eternity in the new heavens and new earth is the next age to which we look forward (2 Peter 3:11-14).

That is authoritative apostolic teaching, which is the measure of all interpretation of prophetic riddles.

“And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High;
you will go on before the Lord to prepare His ways;
To give to His people the knowledge of salvation
By the forgiveness of their sins, — Luke 1:76-77
From the descendants of this man, according to promise, God has brought to Israel a Savior, Jesus, after John had proclaimed before His coming a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel. — Acts 13:23-24

And which Savior from God Israel rejected and murdered (Acts 7:52), for which God has rejected national Israel (Romans 11:17, 19), saving only a remnant to this day, just as he does with the Gentiles.

Israel is now on the same footing as the Gentiles--only those of faith in Christ are God's people in the new order (Hebrews 9:10) of the New Covenant made with Jesus Christ.

zoidar · Feb 9, 2022

Clare73 said:
Israel is now on the same footing as the Gentiles--only those of faith in Christ are God's people in the new order (Hebrews 9:10) of the New Covenant made with Jesus Christ.

Clare73 said:
But for a remnant, "cut off the one olive tree" of God's people (Romans 11:17, 19) means rejection of national Israel as God's people.
They are no different now than Gentiles. . .only those who believe in his one and only Son are God's people, none are God's people by natural birth, as it was in the time of Christ.

Agree that the Jews have no special standing with God today when it comes to salvation. But if they were rejected as a people, then there wouldn't be the promise of salvation for them in Jesus Christ. Now the promise remains, that if they turn to Christ the veil is taken off.

But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
— 2 Corinthians 3:14-16

But the Jews are still the natural branches, we Gentiles are grafted in contrary to our nature.

For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
— Romans 11:24

There is still a promise for the Jewish people. How many will turn to Christ and be saved, we will see.

Clare73 said:
All and only those in Christ, the church and body of Christ, are God' people in the new order (Hebrews 9:10) of the New Covenant.
And that church is the fulfillment of the ages (1 Corinthians 10:11),
it is the last times and the end of the ages (1 Peter 1:20; Hebrews 1:2, Hebrews 9:26),
eternity in the new heavens and new earth is the next age to which we look forward (2 Peter 3:11-14).

That is authoritative apostolic teaching, which is the measure of all interpretation of prophetic riddles.

When would you say the New Covenant was instituted? At the Last Supper? And when was the command given to go out to the Gentiles with the gospel? After Jesus was resurrected, right? You still think that the angel would tell Joseph in a dream before Jesus was born, that Jesus would save Gentile and Jewish believers from their sins? To me it's much more reasonable that the angel would tell Joseph that Jesus will save the Jewish people (to whom Joseph belonged) from their sins, something he would understand, and which corresponds with the mission of Jesus and the apostles until the Great Commission was given.

Clare73 said:
And which Savior from God Israel rejected and murdered (Acts 7:52), for which God has rejected national Israel (Romans 11:17, 19), saving only a remnant to this day, just as he does with the Gentiles.

My point was just that in Luke 1:68 and 77 "His people" are the Jews, shown in Acts 13:24.

To give to His people the knowledge of salvation
By the forgiveness of their sins,
— Luke 1:77

after John had proclaimed before His coming a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
— Acts 13:24

Also who are His own that denied Jesus. I'd say "His people". Who would you say His own are in John 1:11?

He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.
— John 1:11

Clare73 · Feb 9, 2022

zoidar said:
Agree that the Jews have no special standing with God today when it comes to salvation. But if they were rejected as a people, then there wouldn't be the promise of salvation for them in Jesus Christ. Now the promise remains, that if they turn to Christ the veil is taken off.

But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
— 2 Corinthians 3:14-16

But the Jews are still the natural branches, we Gentiles are grafted in contrary to our nature.

For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
— Romans 11:24

There is still a promise for the Jewish people. How many will turn to Christ, we will see.

It's the same promise to all people without distinction. . ."repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and your sin will be forgiven". . .no special deal for Israel.
There is neither Jew nor Greek in the NT seed of Abraham (Galatians 3:28-29).

When would you say the New Covenant was instituted?

On the cross, when it was cut in the blood of the atoning sacrifice.

At the Last Supper? And when was the command given to go out to the Gentiles with the gospel? After Jesus was resurrected, right? You still think that the angel would tell Joseph in a dream before Jesus was born, that Jesus would save Gentile and Jewish believers from their sins? To me it's much more reasonable that the angel would tell Joseph that Jesus will save the Jewish people (to whom Joseph belonged) from their sins, something he would understand, and which corresponds with the mission of Jesus and the apostles until the Great Commission was given.

It's not based on what is "reasonable," it's based on NT apostolic teaching.

Did God's OT people always "understand" what God told them?

Did they understand that the OT sacrifices were a shadow of the sacrifice of his own Son?
Did they understand that the Mosaic Covenant was temporary?
Did they understand the Messiah had to die as a ransom?

My point was just that in Luke 1:77 "His people" are the Jews, shown in. . .

Acts 13:24 - "John preached repentance and baptism to all the people of Israel."

The Jews were his people, until he cut them off (Romans 11:17, 19) but for a remnant, placing them on the same footing as the Gentiles--no special deals, no special privileges, they come in the same way everyone else comes in.

God has only one olive tree of people--those in Christ, the body of Christ, into which one olive tree/people all believing Jews have been. . .are. . .and will be grafted.
God has no other people.

To give to His people the knowledge of salvation
By the forgiveness of their sins,
— Luke 1:77

after John had proclaimed before His coming a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
— Acts 13:24

I know. . .but in the light of the NT, which "the concludes the truth of all Scripture,"
we learn it had a larger meaning, as did so much that was stated in the OT.

zoidar · Feb 9, 2022

Clare73 said:
It's the same promise to all people without distinction. . ."repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and your sin will be forgiven". . .no special deal for Israel.
There is neither Jew nor Greek in the NT seed of Abraham (Galatians 3:28-29).

Yes it's the same deal for salvation for all people. But it's up for question if God has a special plan for the Jews, not in the sense that they would be saved in another way though.

On the cross, when it was cut in the blood of the atoning sacrifice.

Ok!

It's not based on what is "reasonable," it's based on NT apostolic teaching.

I believe the Bible and the NT apostolic teaching is reasonable. If I find something in scripture unreasonable, I look hard to find what I have missed or misunderstood.

Did God's OT people always "understand" what God told them?

Did they understand that the OT sacrifices were a shadow of the sacrifice of his own Son?
Did they understand that the Mosaic Covenant was temporary?
Did they understand the Messiah had to die as a ransom?

No, they did not!

Acts 13:24 - "John preached repentance and baptism to all the people of Israel."

The Jews were his people, until he cut them off (Romans 11:17, 19) but for a remnant, placing them on the same footing as the Gentiles--no special deals, no special privileges, they come in the same way everyone else comes in.

Thanks, I think!

God has only one olive tree of people--those in Christ, the body of Christ, into which one olive tree/people all believing Jews have been. . .are. . .and will be grafted.
God has no other people.

I know. . .but in the light of the NT, which "the concludes the truth of all Scripture,"
we learn it had a larger meaning, as did so much that was stated in the OT.

I think there are places in the Bible that could be used with good support for Calvinism. I just don't think Matthew 1:21 is one of them.

Brightfame52 · Feb 10, 2022

It is Finished, they are Saved from their sins !

The Angel announced clearly what the Purpose was that occasion Christ to be born into this world as a Saviour. Matt 1:21

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Lk 2:11

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

That was His work that He came to do. to seek and to save that which was Lost Lk 19:10

10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Jn 6:39-40

39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Now in anticipation of His Finished work, that is to seek and to save that which was Lost, Jesus states Jn 17:4

4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

What was the Work that The Father gave Him to do ? Well read again Matt 1:21; Lk 2:11; Lk 19:10; Jn 6:39-40

It was to save all the Father had given Him to save, to seek and to save that which was Lost.

Christ said, I have finished that work Jn 17:4

He states it again here Jn 19:30

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

What was finished ? He saved by His work of the Cross all whom the Father willed to be saved ! All that He came to seek and to save that were Lost, He sought them, found them, and Saved them, It is finished..

Now if there is one soul that the Father desired to be saved that was Lost, not saved, then Christ did not finish the Work the Father gave Him to do, and He lied when He said His work was finished.9

Brightfame52 · Feb 11, 2022

Jesus is said to come specifically to save His People from their sins. We have shown in this Thread that His People does not mean people restricted to the ethnic jews of Israel, in fact many of them were children of the devil Jesus said Jn 8:44, but His People are His Church, His Body, The Foreknown of God Rom 11: 2

God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

Or His Sheep that He knows Jn 10:14

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

But now lets look at another portion of God's Word that Identifies exactly who His People are. For they are the all that the Father hath given Him Jn 17:2

As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

And all those Christ said to His Father, they were thine before thou gavest them to me Jn 17:6,11,10

6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Also vs 10 He says :

10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

All this means God the Fathers own Elect 1 Pet 1:2

2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

All those Beloved of God Col 3:12

12Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved

2 Thess 2:13

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

For as the Son is Beloved of the Father Matt 3:17, so likewise are those His People Matt 1:21 They are simply the Beloved Family of the Father, all these Christ came to save from their sins, and no others !

zoidar · Feb 11, 2022

Brightfame52 said:
For as the Son is Beloved of the Father Matt 3:17, so likewise are those His People Matt 1:21 They are simply the Beloved Family of the Father, all these Christ came to save from their sins, and no others !

Well, I think the evidens you have for that is quite poor.

Who are "His people" refered to in Luke 1?

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
“Blessed be the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited us and accomplished redemption for His people,
And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of David His servant⁠—
As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from of old⁠—
Salvation from our enemies,
And from the hand of all who hate us;
To show mercy toward our fathers,
And to remember His holy covenant,
The oath which He swore to Abraham our father,
To grant us that we, being rescued from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
In holiness and righteousness before Him all our days.
“And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High;
For you will go on before the Lord to prepare His ways;
To give to His people the knowledge of salvation
By the forgiveness of their sins,
Because of the tender mercy of our God,
With which the Sunrise from on high will visit us,
To shine upon those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death,
To guide our feet into the way of peace.”
— Luke 1:67-79

And there was a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years and had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage, and then as a widow to the age of eighty-four. She never left the temple, serving night and day with fastings and prayers. At that very moment she came up and began giving thanks to God, and continued to speak of Him to all those who were looking for the redemption of Jerusalem.
— Luke 2:36-38

after John had proclaimed before His coming a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
— Acts 13:24

John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
— Mark 1:4

All the focus in the beginning of the Gospels is around the people of Israel. There is not much (if anything?) of "Gentile and Jewish" believers at all.

Brightfame52 · Feb 12, 2022

zoidar said:
Well, I think the evidens you have for that is quite poor.

Who are "His people" refered to in Luke 1?

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
“Blessed be the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited us and accomplished redemption for His people,
And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of David His servant⁠—
As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from of old⁠—
Salvation from our enemies,
And from the hand of all who hate us;
To show mercy toward our fathers,
And to remember His holy covenant,
The oath which He swore to Abraham our father,
To grant us that we, being rescued from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
In holiness and righteousness before Him all our days.
“And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High;
For you will go on before the Lord to prepare His ways;
To give to His people the knowledge of salvation
By the forgiveness of their sins,
Because of the tender mercy of our God,
With which the Sunrise from on high will visit us,
To shine upon those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death,
To guide our feet into the way of peace.”
— Luke 1:67-79

And there was a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years and had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage, and then as a widow to the age of eighty-four. She never left the temple, serving night and day with fastings and prayers. At that very moment she came up and began giving thanks to God, and continued to speak of Him to all those who were looking for the redemption of Jerusalem.
— Luke 2:36-38

after John had proclaimed before His coming a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
— Acts 13:24

John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
— Mark 1:4

All the focus in the beginning of the Gospels is around the people of Israel. There is not much (if anything?) of "Gentile and Jewish" believers at all.

Nothings changed, I have been showing and will show who His People are. Its His Church Eph 5:25

zoidar · Feb 12, 2022

Brightfame52 said:
Nothings changed, I have been showing and will show who His People are. Its His Church Eph 5:25

Maybe so, but "His people" in Matthew 1:21 are still the people Israel.

zoidar · Feb 12, 2022

Brightfame52 · Feb 12, 2022

He shall save his people from their sins !

Matt 1:21

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.11

Much controversy is made over who are the People Jesus shall save from their sins ? What people shall He be a Saviour unto ? Trust, me, whatever People it is, all of them must be saved from their sins, in order for this prediction to be True, I mean 100% of that People, and not one should be Lost, as Jesus states here Jn 17:12

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

So all those the Father gave Him are " His People " that He shall save from their sins Jn 6:37; 17:2.

This same people is also His Body the Church, For scripture says He is the Saviour of the Body Eph 5:23

23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

Paul uses Saviour in the present tense, He is being the Saviour of His Body, The Body, with the definite article. The word body is the greek word sōma and means:

is used of a (large or small) number of men closely united into one society, or family as it were; a social, ethical, mystical body

a) so in the NT of the church

He shall save His Body, which is a Large number of men closely united as one Family, which is the Church, His Mystical Body !

It is the same as His People which is the word Laos and means:

a people, people group, tribe, nation, all those who are of the same stock and language

What People is closer to Jesus than His own Body Eph 5:28 ?

Brightfame52 · Feb 12, 2022

zoidar said:
Maybe so, but "His people" in Matthew 1:21 are still the people Israel.

I know what is meant by His people in Matt 1:21 and I have been sharing it.

zoidar · Feb 12, 2022

Brightfame52 said:
I know what is meant by His people in Matt 1:21 and I have been sharing it.

Feel free! God bless!

Guojing · Feb 12, 2022

zoidar said:
Of course they are and of course it is. But that's not how "my people" is used in the Gospels. It's not a matter of revelation, but a matter of subject, what's being "discussed".

I don't know how I could show this more clearly. Maybe just accept we don't agree?

Maybe this?

Therefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God. For I say that Christ has become a servant to the circumcision on behalf of the truth of God to confirm the promises given to the fathers, and for the Gentiles to glorify God for His mercy; as it is written,
“Therefore I will give praise to You among the Gentiles,
And I will sing to Your name.”
Again he says,
“Rejoice, O Gentiles, with His people.”
And again,
“Praise the Lord all you Gentiles,
And let all the peoples praise Him.”
— Romans 15:7-11

A lot of Christians tend to anticipate revelation.

They read Paul's epistles, understood that salvation had been released to the gentiles, thru the fall of Israel (Romans 11:11).

They then attempt to insert that revelation into the 4 Gospels, before Israel has fallen, when Jesus made it clear that he was only sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel (Matthew 15:24), to reinterpret what Matthew 1:21 is "really" saying, claiming that the angel Gabriel had in mind both Jews and gentiles when he said "his people".

But I am glad that you are able to rightly divide the word of truth. Many of your readers are unable to do that, that is why they are disagreeing with you.

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loves Jesus the Christ! ✝️

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loves Jesus the Christ! ✝️

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loves Jesus the Christ! ✝️

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loves Jesus the Christ! ✝️

loves Jesus the Christ! ✝️

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loves Jesus the Christ! ✝️

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