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Greetings, i found this forum and section, and thought i would start a discussion on maths, whichs seems to be in favor of a Young Earth.

I'm well qualified in maths, but am taking a history degree, so i might create some threads on history later, history also is in favor of Young Earth, since the historical record only goes back a few thousand years, perfectly fitting the Biblical chronology.

Anyway back on the subject of maths - There are numerous mathematical evidences against evolution, and which support Young Earth Creationism.

The first relates to the population of man.

Evolutionists claim that people are millions or hundred of thousands of years old. Yet simple maths is against this.

The growth rate of the world's population today has been estimated at about 2 % per year, and this has been well documentated. To reach this number, man would only need to be around 4000-4500 years old (a date corresponding exactly to the Noachian deluge) .

Yet evolutionists believe man is millions or hundred's of thousands.

Suppose man has been around for millions of years, as evolutionists teach (or atleast hundred's of thousands). If present rates are typical there should be about 10 to the power 8600 people alive today. That's 10 with 8600 zeros following it.

Therefore if evolution was true, man would have covered the entire body of the earth, more then once. Yet we know this isn't true from simple observation, man has not filled 100% space of the earth. Vast regions of the earth are uninhabited, right now i am the only person in my room and there is a lot of space left.

Quite simply this is mathamatical evidence against evolution, statictical fact combined with simple observation.

A second mathematical evidence against evolution is against their imaginary ''Stone Age'', according the evolutionist's the Stone Age existed from 2.6 million years ago as the ''Paleolithic'' and contuined to 11,000 years ago as the ''Mesolithic'' and ''Neolithic'':

Evolutionist's date: Stone Age - 2.6 million -11,000 years ago

Debunked by maths:

The name of the Stone Age itself is based on the idea that the ''primitive ancestors'' of modern people 2.6 million - 10,000 years ago used stone (mostly flint) for tool making. If there was once a Stone Age, then billions of such tools should have been unearthed (since flint does not disintegrate easily), but the fact is that, very few have been found only a few hundred thousand (Stone Age) axes or tools, not enough to justify the assumption of more than only a few inhabitants of the earth per generation (which doesn't even fit the evolutionist's model of the earth's population.

By simple mathematics, since the number of discovered Stone Age tools and weapons is such a low figure, only a few hundred thousand or a few million at the max, have been unearthed - it implies the earth was only inhabited by only afew inhabitants per generation from 2.6 million - 11,000 years ago.

Since adherents of the Stone Age believe the ancestors of modern man for millions of years made flint tools, then on average, a single individual would have made around a hundred at the very minimum during his or her lifetime. The first maths sum is simply:

100 x world population

Evolutionists of course don't know the number of their ancestral Hominids 2.6 million or 11,000 years ago, though they suggest a figure from several million to the minimum of around 200,000 having inhabited the earth, during specific point of time.

By going with the minimum estimate of 200,000 of a world population, at only one specific point in time, then the sum should be: 100 x 200,000


The answer is 20,000,000 (20 million), yet this number actually exceeds already actual findings, and this figure only represents one generation of the 2.8 million to 11,000 year ago period.

If the 2.8 million figure (how long the Stone Age supposedly lasted) is divided by about 60 (representing a life span of about 60 = 1 generation) the answer is 46,666 generations

The correct sum should thus be:100 x 46,666 x 200,000

Breaking up and simply explaining this sum:

That is 100 Stone Age tools x 46,666 generations (covering 2.8 million years) x the world population figure.

The answer is:

933320000000+ Stone Age findings should have been unearthed

Of course this figure is completely ridiculous, since nowhere near this number of Stone artifacts have been unearthed, and it would be silly and unrealistic to presume billions of billions of billions of billions exist still under the ground

It can be concluded then, that the ''Stone Age'' is a pure invention by evolutionists and has no basis in fact, simple maths and logic refutes it.

Also I am working on another maths sum in relation to population and territory
 
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If present rates are typical

There's one seriously mistaken assumption.

Nature has a way of managing population surges. If population increases past capacity for any given area, the numbers are reduced through starvation, plague and disease. It is impossible for the population to increase farther than the area is capable of sustaining, in other words.

Pure math just doesn't work in this case. There are too many factors you are leaving out, and too many faulty assumptions.
 
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There's one seriously mistaken assumption.

Nature has a way of managing population surges. If population increases past capacity for any given area, the numbers are reduced through starvation, plague and disease. It is impossible for the population to increase farther than the area is capable of sustaining, in other words.

Pure math just doesn't work in this case. There are too many factors you are leaving out, and too many faulty assumptions.

This.

Also, I could be mistaken on this, but if Stone Age artifacts are dated stratigraphically, then the length of time the Stone Age took would have quite a large range of possible values (scaled against the length of a human generation), due to the large timesteps of the geological column.

Assuming that EVERY Stone Age hominid was a toolmaker is also a dodgy assumption.
 
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Because this is posted in the creationism subforum, I'll not post another post after this one on this thread. If further discussion is seriously desired on this, the opening poster can simply post in the origins forum for a real discussion.

Asychian, any creationist using those arguements looks incredibly naive. Let me explain some quick reasons why.

#1 - population growth. Recorded history shows that the rapid growth is recent, and due to technology (espeically food production & fossil fuel use). Extrapolating that back for thousands, much less millions of years is as stupid as saying "It just snowed 3" last night, so since evilootionists say the earth is millions of years old, the math shows that the snow should reach to the moon!!".

#2 Why would someone make a hundred new tools? Why not use those given by a parent or grandparent? Wouldn't most villages have someone who could make tools, while most of the population didn't make them themselves? Even if you take your silly number of 1 X 10^12, that still works out to only 1 per every section of land about 30' on a side (like a person's yard) - that shows how much you underestimate the land area of the Earth (about 50 million square miles). We've only dug up a tiny fraction of that, and we've already found literally hundreds of thousands of them? Wow.

This is the creationism subforum, so I'll just say that if one is going to argue for creationism, avoid these arguments. They'll only succeed in leaving you with zero credibility.

Papias
 
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Greetings, i found this forum and section, and thought i would start a discussion on maths, whichs seems to be in favor of a Young Earth.

I'm well qualified in maths, but am taking a history degree, so i might create some threads on history later, history also is in favor of Young Earth, since the historical record only goes back a few thousand years, perfectly fitting the Biblical chronology.

Anyway back on the subject of maths - There are numerous mathematical evidences against evolution, and which support Young Earth Creationism.

The first relates to the population of man.

Evolutionists claim that people are millions or hundred of thousands of years old. Yet simple maths is against this.

The growth rate of the world's population today has been estimated at about 2 % per year, and this has been well documentated. To reach this number, man would only need to be around 4000-4500 years old (a date corresponding exactly to the Noachian deluge) .

Yet evolutionists believe man is millions or hundred's of thousands.

Suppose man has been around for millions of years, as evolutionists teach (or atleast hundred's of thousands). If present rates are typical there should be about 10 to the power 8600 people alive today. That's 10 with 8600 zeros following it.

Therefore if evolution was true, man would have covered the entire body of the earth, more then once. Yet we know this isn't true from simple observation, man has not filled 100% space of the earth. Vast regions of the earth are uninhabited, right now i am the only person in my room and there is a lot of space left.

Quite simply this is mathamatical evidence against evolution, statictical fact combined with simple observation.

A second mathematical evidence against evolution is against their imaginary ''Stone Age'', according the evolutionist's the Stone Age existed from 2.6 million years ago as the ''Paleolithic'' and contuined to 11,000 years ago as the ''Mesolithic'' and ''Neolithic'':

Evolutionist's date: Stone Age - 2.6 million -11,000 years ago

Debunked by maths:

The name of the Stone Age itself is based on the idea that the ''primitive ancestors'' of modern people 2.6 million - 10,000 years ago used stone (mostly flint) for tool making. If there was once a Stone Age, then billions of such tools should have been unearthed (since flint does not disintegrate easily), but the fact is that, very few have been found only a few hundred thousand (Stone Age) axes or tools, not enough to justify the assumption of more than only a few inhabitants of the earth per generation (which doesn't even fit the evolutionist's model of the earth's population.

By simple mathematics, since the number of discovered Stone Age tools and weapons is such a low figure, only a few hundred thousand or a few million at the max, have been unearthed - it implies the earth was only inhabited by only afew inhabitants per generation from 2.6 million - 11,000 years ago.

Since adherents of the Stone Age believe the ancestors of modern man for millions of years made flint tools, then on average, a single individual would have made around a hundred at the very minimum during his or her lifetime. The first maths sum is simply:

100 x world population

Evolutionists of course don't know the number of their ancestral Hominids 2.6 million or 11,000 years ago, though they suggest a figure from several million to the minimum of around 200,000 having inhabited the earth, during specific point of time.

By going with the minimum estimate of 200,000 of a world population, at only one specific point in time, then the sum should be: 100 x 200,000


The answer is 20,000,000 (20 million), yet this number actually exceeds already actual findings, and this figure only represents one generation of the 2.8 million to 11,000 year ago period.

If the 2.8 million figure (how long the Stone Age supposedly lasted) is divided by about 60 (representing a life span of about 60 = 1 generation) the answer is 46,666 generations

The correct sum should thus be:100 x 46,666 x 200,000

Breaking up and simply explaining this sum:

That is 100 Stone Age tools x 46,666 generations (covering 2.8 million years) x the world population figure.

The answer is:

933320000000+ Stone Age findings should have been unearthed

Of course this figure is completely ridiculous, since nowhere near this number of Stone artifacts have been unearthed, and it would be silly and unrealistic to presume billions of billions of billions of billions exist still under the ground

It can be concluded then, that the ''Stone Age'' is a pure invention by evolutionists and has no basis in fact, simple maths and logic refutes it.

Also I am working on another maths sum in relation to population and territory

I have to agree with Papias on this one, population growth rate is a very poor argument for earth age. There are times of negative growth due to plagues and famines, let alone the success rate of a child being born and growing old enough to reproduce themselves in the face of diseases and other factors has to be extremely low.

This is the same as the rate that the moon is leaving its orbit around earth, you cannot assume that the moon has been steadily leaving at @ 2 inches per year, the effect of the Earth's gravity on the moon is now lessening, so the escape velocity is also becoming lower. The inverse is also true, the closer the moon was to earth, the higher the escape velocity was which would cause a slower rate of recession (for lack of a better term) of the moon leaving earth's orbit. In other words, the rate the moon is escaping earth's orbit is increasing (or getting faster).
 
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