MATHEMATICS IN NATURE PROVES INTELLIGENT DESIGN

[Radrook]

MATHEMATICS IN NATURE PROVES INTELLIGENT DESIGN

Wow! Our creator is a great mathematician indeed!
Of course others say that mindless chemicals did it.
I refer to that as the mindless genius explanation and find it totally unacceptable.

 

[Lazarus Short]

God is a mathematician.

 

[BeStill&Know]

Relationship a love relationship

 

[Radrook]

Relationship a love relationship

Huh?

 

[AvgJoe]

God is a mathematician.

Going one step further, He is the Creator of mathematics.

 

[The Barbarian]

Mathematical realities are the result of God creating a knowable and consistent world in which organisms like us are possible.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

The interworking of the Universe demonstrate an orderly and planned structure of both physical elements - energy and matter - and 'laws of nature' - gravity, relativity, quantum mechanics and calories.

Mathematics is certainly part of all this. I think that might account for many famous mathematicians of the past being believers. Mathematics has a certain beauty not immediately seen.

Yes, I am familiar with the facets of M-theory postulating an infinite number of Universes with varying degrees of natural laws and this is the one (or one of the ones) wherein life can develop. I find that a weak and desperate attempt to provide what is called in U. S. jurisprudence a 'reasonable alternative'.

Besides; I know God. We talk every day.

 

[JackRT]

The relationship of mathematics to the natural world is an interesting philosophical question. One thing we must realize is that mathematics is a human invention. It is very much like someone inventing a new game. First you define the playing pieces, such as playing cards or chess pieces or whatever. Then you define a basic set of rules that govern the actions of these pieces. From there you can logically deduce stratagems for the playing of the game. Mathematics works in an analogous fashion. There are a great many mathematical systems that have been invented. The interesting thing is that many of them have been found to have specific applications in various natural phenomena. Whether or not this is a consequence of "intelligent design" or just happenstance is not yet obvious.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's somewhat mindblowing that the sum of the first n cubes is the square of the nth triangular number. But it cannot be otherwise.

 

[JackRT]

It's somewhat mindblowing that the sum of the first n cubes is the square of the nth triangular number. But it cannot be otherwise.

It is an unforseen consequence of how our number system is defined.

 

[BeStill&Know]

Huh?

My mistake: I was referring to the comment "That's religion" by Lazarus Short

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

MATHEMATICS IN NATURE PROVES INTELLIGENT DESIGN

Wow! Our creator is a great mathematician indeed!
Of course others say that mindless chemicals did it.
I refer to that as the mindless genius explanation and find it totally unacceptable.

Math has been invented by mankind to describe the universe.
Math is not prescriptive of the universe.

ps: whenever the word "PROVES" is used, all kinds of alarm bells are going off.

 

[Skreeper]

MATHEMATICS IN NATURE PROVES INTELLIGENT DESIGN

Wow! Our creator is a great mathematician indeed!
Of course others say that mindless chemicals did it.
I refer to that as the mindless genius explanation and find it totally unacceptable.

The first part of the video was interesting. Then at 2:30 is just goes downhill with a bunch of random pictures and no explanation.

The video doesn't even mention Intelligent Design, so maybe you can tell us where in this video the proof is supposed to be?

You have to remember: Humans are pattern-seeking animals. The problem is that we often make a connection between two things where no connection exists.

 

[Radrook]

The relationship of mathematics to the natural world is an interesting philosophical question. One thing we must realize is that mathematics is a human invention. It is very much like someone inventing a new game. First you define the playing pieces, such as playing cards or chess pieces or whatever. Then you define a basic set of rules that govern the actions of these pieces. From there you can logically deduce stratagems for the playing of the game. Mathematics works in an analogous fashion. There are a great many mathematical systems that have been invented. The interesting thing is that many of them have been found to have specific applications in various natural phenomena. Whether or not this is a consequence of "intelligent design" or just happenstance is not yet obvious.

There is a huge difference between discovery and invention. Discovery involves a finding of something not seen or not perceived before but existing independent of the discoverer. Invention involves bringing something into existence that was not there to begin with. In short, discovery of mathematics in nature isn't an invention of mathematics, it is a DISCOVERY of mathematics in nature. Like discovering a chessboard and a book of instructions alongside it on how to play. Such information cannot be said to originate with the person discovering the book-it is clearly there to be discovered to begin with.

BTW
Just curious, your church teaches that God did not use mathematics in nature?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

In short, discovery of mathematics in nature isn't an invention of mathematics, it is a DISCOVERY of mathematics in nature.

That is false. Math isn't found under a rock.

Math is just a human expression / attempt at explaining patterns in reality.
It is, by all means, a human invention.

Take a look at Newton when he was asked to describe the orbits of the planets. He then proceeded to basically invent calculus, to answer that question.

He didn't "discover" calculus. He invented it to describe his actual discovery.

Like discovering a chessboard and a book of instructions alongside it on how to play. Such information cannot be said to originate with the person discovering the book-it is clearly there to be discovered to begin with.

Math is a description of the universe, not a prescription.

 

[Radrook]

My mistake: I was referring to the comment "That's religion" by Lazarus Short

Why is it that all I see Lazarus Short saying is that God is a mathematician?

 

[Armoured]

MATHEMATICS IN NATURE PROVES INTELLIGENT DESIGN

Wow! Our creator is a great mathematician indeed!
Of course others say that mindless chemicals did it.
I refer to that as the mindless genius explanation and find it totally unacceptable.

That isn't proof, that's more argument from incredulity.

 

[Radrook]

That isn't proof, that's more argument from incredulity.

As I initially explained, I don't find the mindless chemical geniuses explanation acceptable. For me to accept that would be as irrational as accepting that a Christian can be a Christian while denying God's hand in creation. Totally incompatible and unbelievable propositions.

 

[Armoured]

As I initially explained, I don't find the mindless chemical geniuses explanation acceptable. For me to accept that would be as irrational as accepting that a Christian can be a Christian while denying God's hand in creation. Totally incompatible and unbelievable propositions.

Yes, I know. That's what a argument from incredulity is.

 

[Radrook]

Yes, I know. That's what a argument from incredulity is.

Argument from incredulity - RationalWiki



Totally wrong! Your premise is flawed.

I don’t conclude that an intelligent designer is responsible because of an inability to imagine that it could happen otherwise. I conclude an intelligent designer is responsible because the evidence compels me to conclude an that an intelligent designer is responsible and that the proposed other mechanism, which I examine in detail before I reach a conclusion, is ridiculously absurd.

If I reject your claim to be an amoeba as absurd, it isn’t because I can’t imagine how you could possibly be an amoeba. Or if I reject your claim that two plus two equals a billion, it isn’t because I lack the imagination to conceive how your two plus two pieces constitute a billion pieces of equal size. I justifiably reject your proposition because of its sheer ridiculousness.

BTW
Is concluding that a person’s claim to being a Christian is bogus because he argues against God’s creating the universe also an argument from ignorance?