Mathematical Formulas In Nature - Absolute Proof Of Creation

[Joseph G]

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MATHEMATICAL FORMULAS IN NATURE...ABSOLUTE PROOF OF CREATION

Plants and many other things in nature are keyed to various involved mathematical formulas, one of which is the Fibonacci series. Leonardo of Pisa, nicknamed Fibonacci (c. 1170-1230 A. D.) discovered this particular formula.It begins with: 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,... and runs onward, with each number the sum of the previous two numbers (8 + 13 = 21, 13 + 21 = 34, etc.). This series is to be found in the reproduction of male bees, the number of spiral floret formations visible in many sunflowers, spiraled scales on pine cones and pineapples, the arrangement of leaves on twigs, as well as many other structures. If you were to look downward from above on a tree trunk, you would find that the branches emerge in accordance with the Fibonacci pattern. One will issue from the trunk at a certain point, the next one above it will emerge on a different side of the tree at a point in relation to the series. Gaze into a sunflower head and you will clearly see the Fibonacci series in the manner in which the seeds are arranged; there you see lines spiraling outward. Look sideways at a closed pine cone and you will see the series spiraling around the cone...ONLY COULD THIS MATHEMATICAL FORMULA EXIST WITH A CREATOR'S INTELLIGENCE, OUR GOD THE GOD OF THE BIBLE!

I have added a photo of a cross section of a rattlesnake rattle. A fascinating example of God's sacred geometry. Mathematical formulas, once again, do not exist without intelligence.

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And that Intelligence has a Name - Jesus! God bless us all who do, and shall, believe and obey Him. The glory is His alone!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

This is both nothing more than a claim, and also a good example of the fact that humans are very good at seeing patterns in things.

And we'll never hear from him again...

 

[SelfSim]

.. This series is to be found in the reproduction of male bees, the number of spiral floret formations visible in many sunflowers, spiraled scales on pine cones and pineapples, the arrangement of leaves on twigs, as well as many other structures.

No .. its not.

Its 'found' as an attribute in the human descriptions, (or models) of nature, set aside for articulating specific, naturally occurring patterns.

I can't ask a bee if its following a number series formula when its reproducing, now can I?

 

[Lost4words]

Goes to show how majestic God is....
The true creator...

 

[SelfSim]

Goes to show how majestic God is....
The true creator...

.. (or: how majestic Fibonacci's mind was).

 

[Joseph G]

.. (or: how majestic Fibonacci's mind was).

The formula's existence preceeded Fibonacci's perception of it...

1 Corinthians 2:9 NKJV
"But as it is written:
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

biblegateway.com

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The formula's existence preceeded Fibonacci's perception of it...

1 Corinthians 2:9 NKJV
"But as it is written:
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

biblegateway.com

.... I'm sorry, but I've read that twice now and I cannot see anything at all about Fibonacci's spiral in there.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I see this very much of being another case of "Reading into the Bible something that is not there".

 

[SelfSim]

I see this very much of being another case of "Reading into the Bible something that is not there".

Yes .. evidently so ..

 

[AV1611VET]

This is both nothing more than a claim, and also a good example of the fact that humans are very good at seeing patterns in things.

Psalm 119:18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Psalm 119:18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.

And yet... all of this smacks of post hoc logic. Or attempts at it least.

 

[AV1611VET]

Its 'found' as an attribute in the human descriptions, (or models) of nature, set aside for articulating specific, naturally occurring patterns.

So when those "models of nature" show up, we can give credit where credit is due.

Unlike your "Icons of Evolution."

 

[AV1611VET]

Goes to show how majestic God is....
The true creator...

Indeed.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

 

[AV1611VET]

The formula's existence preceeded Fibonacci's perception of it...

Agreed.

 

[AV1611VET]

And yet... all of this smacks of post hoc logic. Or attempts at it least.

How would you ascertain the difference?

What tool are you using to critique the claim of the Fibonacci series in nature?

Science? or the Bible?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

How would you ascertain the difference?

What tool are you using to critique the claim of the Fibonacci series in nature?

Science? or the Bible?

Both.

Since nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about the Fibonacci series, or any patterns similar to it, and science shows that humans are very good at recognizing patterns where they don't actually exist.

So, in the end, all I'm left with is seeing you guys using post hoc logic to crowbar things like the Fibonacci series into the Bible and crow that you were right all along.

 

[AV1611VET]

Since nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about the Fibonacci series,

Or the Trinity?

Do you see the Trinity in this passage?

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

That's a Fibonacci number, isn't it?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Or the Trinity?

Do you see the Trinity in this passage?

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

That's a Fibonacci number, isn't it?

It's in the Fibonacci sequence, yes. But where's the 0, 1, 1, 2 before it, and the 5, 8, 13, 21 after it? Only then can it be the Fibonacci sequence. If it's not part of that sequence, it's just a number.

Thus, again, all I'm left with is seeing you guys using post hoc logic to crowbar things like the Fibonacci series into the Bible and crow that you were right all along.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's in the Fibonacci sequence, yes. But where's the 0, 1, 1, 2 before it, and the 5, 8, 13, 21 after it? Only then can it be the Fibonacci sequence. If it's not part of that sequence, it's just a number.

So whether it's 3, or it's a sunflower or pine cone or bees, it's "just a number" ... right?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So whether it's 3, or it's a sunflower or pine cone or bees, it's "just a number" ... right?

Okay, here's the big deal with this AV: if you want to claim something is part of a sequence... it needs to BE part of the sequence. One number by itself does not a sequence make. If it's not, it is JUST A NUMBER. Unless it's PART OF A SEQUENCE OF NUMBERS.

Do you understand that?