Masturbation

[david_x]

I read the verse. What I wasn't sure of was how you interpreted it. For example I was lead to believe that the Song of Solomon and those verses in Psalms were allegorical and not literal. Only a person with more of "the world" in them than "the Word" would think they have some sort of sexual meaning. I was thinking that you might be coming from an anti-pleasure point of view and that's why you condemned masturbation.

If it's important in your own relationship with God to not touch then don't do it. But make sure you don't start treading into legalism where you make your own views on things laws for everyone.

We actually covered just that earlier. Thx

 

[david_x]

Obviously the picture is real, is the content of the picture real or fictional? Stop dodging around.

...neither, cause it's a picture. That doesn't make any sense at all. It's not alive, but it is a picture of the person so it's a real picture...

 

[Zebra1552]

...neither, cause it's a picture. That doesn't make any sense at all. It's not alive, but it is a picture of the person so it's a real picture...

It makes perfect sense. Is the subject, the object of the picture, real or fake? Is it true, or not true? Does it represent the real person, or is it a fictional idea based on a real person? This question is not that hard.

 

[david_x]

It makes perfect sense. Is the subject, the object of the picture, real or fake? Is it true, or not true? Does it represent the real person, or is it a fictional idea based on a real person? This question is not that hard.

It represents the real person, like a picture...like I said every time.

 

[Zebra1552]

It represents the real person, like a picture...like I said every time.

How can something that exaggerates be a real representation of a real person?

 

[david_x]

How can something that exaggerates be a real representation of a real person?

A caricature incorporates more than just the visible part of a person, it has the mood and some deeper qualities drawn in.

 

[Zebra1552]

Please answer the question. Am I not being clear enough or something?

 

[david_x]

Please answer the question. Am I not being clear enough or something?

I was pretty sure that was the answer. Maybe you aren't being clear.

 

[Zebra1552]

How can something that includes fake information in a picture actually be a real representation of what it's supposed to represent in real life?

 

[david_x]

How can something that includes fake information in a picture actually be a real representation of what it's supposed to represent in real life?

You might be able to answer your own question....

Represent:

1. to serve to express, designate, stand for, or denote, as a word, symbol, or the like does; symbolize: In this painting the cat represents evil and the bird, good.
2. to express or designate by some term, character, symbol, or the like: to represent musical sounds by notes.
3. to stand or act in the place of, as a substitute, proxy, or agent does: He represents the company in Boston.
4. to speak and act for by delegated authority: to represent one's government in a foreign country.
5. to act for or in behalf of (a constituency, state, etc.) by deputed right in exercising a voice in legislation or government: He represents Chicago's third Congressional district.
6. to portray or depict; present the likeness of, as a picture does: The painting represents him as a man 22 years old.
7. to present or picture to the mind.
8. to present in words; set forth; describe; state.
9. to set forth or describe as having a particular character (usually fol. by as, to be, etc.): The article represented the dictator as a benevolent despot.
10. to set forth clearly or earnestly with a view to influencing opinion or action or making protest.
11. to present, produce, or perform, as on a stage.
12. to impersonate, as in acting.
13. to serve as an example or specimen of; exemplify: a genus represented by two species.
14. to be the equivalent of; correspond to: The llama of the New World represents the camel of the Old World.
–verb (used without object)
15. to protest; make representations against.
16. Slang. to use or display a secret handshake, sign, gesture, etc., for purposes of identification: The gang members always represent when they see one another.​

 

[RMDY]

I've been out of the loop for a few days and now I got so many pages to backtrack and read.

Rmdy (copying Tulc's way of saying something at the end of his message.)

 

[Kencj]

Originally Posted by Kencj

Condemning yourself and others for things that aren't sins is not "taking up the cross".

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Sacrificing your sinful nature is.

By the way, if anyone thinks “taking up the cross” means not thinking about sex, whether little or much, they are badly mistaken.

Jesus wasn’t crucified for thinking about sex, but for opposing the hypocrisy of the legalists.

To follow him, we should do the same.

 

[Kencj]

A caricature incorporates more than just the visible part of a person, it has the mood and some deeper qualities drawn in.

Oy, look what happens when I'm gone for a few days -you guys are debating what a caricature is?

 

[RMDY]

Originally Posted by Kencj

Jesus wasn’t crucified for thinking about sex, but for opposing the hypocrisy of the legalists.

To follow him, we should do the same.

Your incorrect; Jesus was crucified for the forgiveness of sins.

 

[Zebra1552]

You might be able to answer your own question....

Represent:

1. to serve to express, designate, stand for, or denote, as a word, symbol, or the like does; symbolize: In this painting the cat represents evil and the bird, good.
2. to express or designate by some term, character, symbol, or the like: to represent musical sounds by notes.
3. to stand or act in the place of, as a substitute, proxy, or agent does: He represents the company in Boston.
4. to speak and act for by delegated authority: to represent one's government in a foreign country.
5. to act for or in behalf of (a constituency, state, etc.) by deputed right in exercising a voice in legislation or government: He represents Chicago's third Congressional district.
6. to portray or depict; present the likeness of, as a picture does: The painting represents him as a man 22 years old.
7. to present or picture to the mind.
8. to present in words; set forth; describe; state.
9. to set forth or describe as having a particular character (usually fol. by as, to be, etc.): The article represented the dictator as a benevolent despot.
10. to set forth clearly or earnestly with a view to influencing opinion or action or making protest.
11. to present, produce, or perform, as on a stage.
12. to impersonate, as in acting.
13. to serve as an example or specimen of; exemplify: a genus represented by two species.
14. to be the equivalent of; correspond to: The llama of the New World represents the camel of the Old World.
–verb (used without object)
15. to protest; make representations against.
16. Slang. to use or display a secret handshake, sign, gesture, etc., for purposes of identification: The gang members always represent when they see one another.​

Is the representation fictional or real? Seriously, not that hard.

 

[Zebra1552]

Your incorrect; Jesus was crucified for the forgiveness of sins.

Right, that's why the Pharisees got ticked when Jesus exposed their hypocrisy. The whole ripping on the hypocrites thing had nothing to do with it, whatsoever. Come on, you've been around the block enough to know better.

 

[david_x]

By the way, if anyone thinks “taking up the cross” means not thinking about sex, whether little or much, they are badly mistaken.

Jesus wasn’t crucified for thinking about sex, but for opposing the hypocrisy of the legalists.

To follow him, we should do the same.

Whatever, you can agree that it means not having multiple sexual partners for you. Correct?

 

[david_x]

Is the representation fictional or real? Seriously, not that hard.

It's really representing it YES!

 

[Zebra1552]

It's really representing it YES!

How can something be false and real, but called only real and have no fictional elements?

 

[revrobor]

Your incorrect; Jesus was crucified for the forgiveness of sins.

C'mon guys. Jesus was crucified because it was God's plan. If the Jewish leaders and Romans hadn't done it He would have found someone else to carry out His plan.