Masturbation

[UnionJack]

How did sin enter the world?

If it is something that we like we can always find justification for it. In the end, sin is still sin. We just like to make up excuses for it.

HOW DID SIN ENTER THE WORLD???


It's like this......sin/evil was not created. It occurs when there is a lack of good. Just like how cold is created from lack of heat. Darkness is from lack of light. You can say, turn on the lights please, but you cant say, turn on the dark please. You can however, say turn off the lights please in which case you will get darkness.

If you are not doing something good, something that would be approved by God, you are doing evil.

What good are you doing touching your private area??? NONE!!
Since there can be no good outcome there can only be a bad/evil outcome...such as provocative thoughts while youre doing it.

THat is why i think it is sinful

 

[Kencj]

This is a Christian only section, why is the Bible not enough backing for you?

This just begs the question!!
Where in the Bible is masturbation pronounced to be a sin??

 

[Kencj]

Have you masturbated in public? Or at least, announced in public that you were going to touch?
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Edit: I would like to refer back to Romans 14. Masturbation is clearly not a grievous sin for everyone. But for some, such as me, it is.

"Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way." Rom 14:13
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Let those who feel that it is a sin say so and be edified as a follower of Christ, and let those who feel that it is not a sin keep that view private for the edification of their Brothers and for the glory of God.

First, having sex of any kind in public is socially unacceptable and illegal -whether alone or with someone else, married or unmarried.

Second, I know what you've gone through in this respect is not uncommon for Christians but I think you still have much to learn, young jedi, so please let me give you some very important advice: condemning yourself for something does not free you from it, it only enslaves you to it. Accepting God's grace is what frees us, so that whether you do or don't you are always under the grace of God. You should be trusting in Christ's atonement for your sins, big or small -or even not sins at all.

Third, let those who proclaim publicly that it is a sin provide solid biblical evidence that it is. If not they should keep silent until they find it.

 

[david_x]

This just begs the question!!
Where in the Bible is masturbation pronounced to be a sin??

That was on a different subject. But to address a misconception: I do not think that masturbation is a sin.

 

[cowboysfan1970]

For me, masturbation is a sin because I did not do it out of faith of God.

It was a sin for me because it was something I did in secret, in hiding and not something I could share with other godly people. That was against the principle of fellowship of the saints, and blocked my access to God.

It was a sin for me also because I became addicted to it, unable to stop myself even though I told myself I wanted to stop, and even though I was actual pain over too much "pleasure". I had completely lost control. That was akin to giving over my body, which belongs to Christ, to my own pleasures, and that is definitely sin.

That's my story. You all may debate the principles of good and bad as if the issue is one that is outside your body, but this is a real story for me. To me, masturbation is not only a sin, but a dangerous addiction and a serious obstacle in my spiritual life.

If it's separating you from God then you shouldn't do it. I think sin by definition is anything that separates us from God. The problem is with our nature sin is our life companion. What's lucky for us is that it's not sin itself that sends us to hell but lack of belief and faith.

But, be careful not to associate pleaure or pleasureable things with sin. When that kind of thinking gets into your mind life becomes its own version of hell and really has no meaning.

 

[cowboysfan1970]

That was on a different subject. But to address a misconception: I do not think that masturbation is a sin.

But you consider lust to be a sin and touching yourself is in lust so, just what is your definition of lust? Some of your arguements against it have been some of the same ones that people who claim sex is only for procreation use to make their case.

 

[david_x]

But you consider lust to be a sin and touching yourself is in lust so, just what is your definition of lust? Some of your arguements against it have been some of the same ones that people who claim sex is only for procreation use to make their case.

There can be lust in masturbation, that is why it is dangerous.

I just use the standard definition of lust: Desires of a sexual nature that put something/someone before God.

 

[cowboysfan1970]

There can be lust in masturbation, that is why it is dangerous.

I just use the standard definition of lust: Desires of a sexual nature that put something/someone before God.

Be more specific, and what if touching yourself was occuring between a husband and wife?

 

[Kencj]

But, be careful not to associate pleaure or pleasureable things with sin. When that kind of thinking gets into your mind life becomes its own version of hell and really has no meaning.

Are you really sure you meant that? Are you saying you automatically associate any pleasurable thing with sin?

 

[david_x]

Be more specific, and what if touching yourself was occuring between a husband and wife?

Idk where that came from...

 

[cowboysfan1970]

Are you really sure you meant that? Are you saying you automatically associate any pleasurable thing with sin?

There was a time in my life when I did. When I posted that creates its own version of hell I know what I'm talking about.

 

[cowboysfan1970]

Idk where that came from...

What? You think that doesn't happen or shouldn't happen? I'm trying to zero in on your philosophy. If you feel that's wrong then that gives me a better understanding of what you believe.

 

[Zebra1552]

Sloth,

Matthew 25:26

Gluttony,

proverbs 23:20-21

Greed,

Ephesians 5:3

My opinion of Lust? If something comes between you and God this is bad. Thus lust is a corruption of love, or love that distracts you from God.

Define lust.

Are you saying it depends on the person? Then it is not sin, it is a potential sin, just like eating, sleeping, or drinking.

 

[Zebra1552]

masturbation is a sin

Why?

 

[Zebra1552]

Brother, allow me to start off by saying that I'm not judging you. My intention is simply to share my story, and challenge you as your Brother in Christ.

You go right ahead and challenge me. It's about time.

I don't always eat/sleep/watch films/play/read/exercise/go the toilet with other people, but I can announce all these things in public. I couldn't even touch in private without guilt, let alone announce or, or even do it, in public.

Where does that guilt come from?

Have you masturbated in public? Or at least, announced in public that you were going to touch?

I don't announce in public, typically, when I'm going pee, why should I announce when I touch? What possible practical purpose does it serve?

"'Everything is permissible'—but not everything is beneficial. 'Everything is permissible'—but not everything is constructive. Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others." -- 1 Cor 10:23-24.

This has already been brought up.

Is what we are doing beneficial? Constructive? Can they build up others rather than myself? Does it bring you closer to God? The question is that simple. It should be asked for every act and every thought in every Christian's lives, not just about masturbation.

Yes, it can be beneficial. It has proven medical benefits. Google it. It prevents me from lusting.

Brother, I am glad that you have a clean conscience, but I would like to quote a warning from Paul:

"So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!" -- 1 Cor 10:12

May God bless you with His grace, and glory be to Him.

If I fall, it's not going to be sexually. It'll be with a careless word or promise... or being obnoxious. I'm very familiar with my strong points and weak points.

Edit: I would like to refer back to Romans 14. Masturbation is clearly not a grievous sin for everyone. But for some, such as me, it is.

"Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way." Rom 14:13

Will anyone make up their mind so that no stumbling block is placed in my way, or the way of other Brothers who are susceptible to falling?

Do I advertise to EVERYONE that I drink on occasion? No, I don't. So why would I with something even more controversial among Christians? What they don't know won't hurt them in this case.

"Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall." -- Rom 14:19-21

Perhaps masturbation itself isn't a sin, but it will be wrong for anyone to cause someone else to stumble over the issue.

How can it possibly be a stumbling block unless I advertise it?

"So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God." -- Rom 14:22

Let those who feel that it is a sin say so and be edified as a follower of Christ, and let those who feel that it is not a sin keep that view private for the edification of their Brothers and for the glory of God.

Why should I keep my mouth shut if by opening my mouth I can benefit someone who really waffles over this issue? Check out www.boysunderattack.com.

 

[david_x]

Define lust.

Are you saying it depends on the person? Then it is not sin, it is a potential sin, just like eating, sleeping, or drinking.

Did you read the whole post?

If so let me clarify.

Lust is the excessive thoughts about someone/something, usually of a sexual nature, that comes between you and God.

 

[Zebra1552]

Did you read the whole post?

If so let me clarify.

Lust is the excessive thoughts about someone/something, usually of a sexual nature, that comes between you and God.

That's vague. Be more specific.

 

[andreha]

You haven't cited it for sloth, gluttony, greed, or your opinion on what lust is. Why should I recognize what isn't there?

 

[Kencj]

There was a time in my life when I did. When I posted that creates its own version of hell I know what I'm talking about.

But certainly you don't believe now that anything pleasurable is a sin?

 

[Kencj]

Also, I think it's a mistake to say "sin is anything that separates us from God" -it's unbelief that does that. Rahab the prositute was saved because of her faith, her sins were no impediment. And the Bible is full of such stories, which should be lessons to us. The Pharisees were sinless and blameless and as far from God as they could be.