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I could be wrong, but how I see it is that you are subjecting yourself to temptation. Even if you can do it without lustful thoughts you are tempting yourself with it.

Why would you touch? Is it to relieve stress, for the simple pleasure, or is it a substitute for the Holy Spirit that is absent in a part of your life? Ive done this test on myself and I don't see anything Godly about it. Same reason why you shouldn't drink/smoke, you don't need to because God is enough for you to be at peace.
 
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Well, here's my take......the Bible is not a prissy book when it comes to sexuality. It's a very frank & candid book and in it, God has no shyness about telling us very specifically what we can and cannot do.

And the fact is, masturbation is not mentioned anywhere.....if it was a horrible sin, given God's record of frankness on matters of sexuality, He would certainly have said so.

BUT.....while I don't think someone should feel a tonnage of guilt about it, it is, I think, a sort of regressive, infantile behavior.....and not that most of us don't have a few regressive behaviors in our lives, so don't anybody get all defensive.

But it's pretty much in the same category as thumbsucking or eating too much chocolate or ice cream, or maybe in the category of alcohol.

Drinking a little wine is not some big sin....BUT.....be careful. You can get addicted to it, and masturbation addiction is a poor, poor preparation for marriage, because, believe me, the real thing with a real partner is not nearly so simple or automatic.

The "real thing" is much more complex, and I don't think it's such a good idea to put your expectations in an unrealistic place by masturbating a lot.
 
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WesWoodell said:
Guard your thoughts ...

Jesus said this:

Matthew 5:27-30
27 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'
28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
(NIV)

From the following web site:

http://www.themarriagebed.com/pages/bible/app/masturbation/masturbationnotcalledsin.shtml

"I can only come up with three reasons why "thou shalt not touch" is not found in the Bible:

It's an oversight.
One must have special knowledge or be spiritual to know this truth.
Masturbation is not an inherently sinful act.
Number one makes the Bible incomplete, while number two is the heresy of Gnosticism. By process of elimination I am left to conclude that number three must be true.
I know some will say, "it does not matter why God didn't say it," or "who are you to question God?"But it does matter; if you want to add to what God has called sin you must first give a good reason why God did not say it Himself. Since there is no doubt that masturbation was known of and practiced by those who originally read and heard the words of the scripture, the Bible's silence on the issue is extremely difficult to explain if you are convinced masturbation is sin.

Most of the arguments we see against masturbation seem to work because the person making them starts with the belief that masturbation is wrong. If someone starts with the question "is it sin" and studies the scripture to find the truth rather than to support what they have already decide the truth should be, the results are different. It is our prayer that asking "why didn't God say masturbation is sin" will help people to reexamine the issue and find a Biblically sound answer."

So are we all going to go around with no hands!!^_^ That passage was not meant to be taken literally:
http://www.christiancourier.com/questions/eyePluckingQuestion.htm
 
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*Lu* said:
personally i dont think its a sin, its actually healthy for ur body. i seriously doubt everyone can go without it. It would be considered a sin if someone else was doing it to u i guess.

plus it doesnt actually say in the bible thou shalt not...

Let he who hasn't be the first to judge me. :D
 
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Here is a quote found that indicates the health benefits for masturbation:

"It is held in many mental health circles that masturbation can relieve depression and lead to a higher sense of self-worth (Hurlbert & Whittaker, 1991). Masturbation can also be particularly useful in relationships where one partner wants more sex than the other — in which case masturbation provides a balancing effect and thus a more harmonious relationship.
On July 16, 2003, an Australian research team led by Graham Giles of The Cancer Council published a medical study [4] which concluded that frequent masturbation by males may help prevent the development of prostate cancer. The study also indicated that this would be more helpful than [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] through sexual intercourse because intercourse can transmit diseases that may increase the risk of cancer instead."
 
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ChristIsTHEKing said:
Sigh. :doh: Brothers and sisters, Christians are to refrain from earthly desires so that we do not fall into temptation. That is painfully clear in the Bible, as it states to flee from temptation. If you are serving your fleshly desires then you cannot be serving the Lord at the same time, thus His will must be our will. The Bible also makes it painfully clear that we are to be in the world, not of it. Remember, it's the spirit of the Law. God Bless!
Don't get the two mixed up, masturbation is not temptation. It's not "painfully clear'. Don't put your own slant on things.
 
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ChristIsTHEKing said:
Sigh. :doh: Brothers and sisters, Christians are to refrain from earthly desires so that we do not fall into temptation. That is painfully clear in the Bible, as it states to flee from temptation. If you are serving your fleshly desires then you cannot be serving the Lord at the same time, thus His will must be our will. The Bible also makes it painfully clear that we are to be in the world, not of it. Remember, it's the spirit of the Law. God Bless!

Couldn't just about anything be labelled as 'earthly desires'?? Can't anything lead us into temptation?

So let's just stay in bed all day and we will be 'perfectly safe' from earthly desires and temptation!
 
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Just to clarify - I don't believe its the act - I believe its the thoughts that accompany the act.

While the Bible may not explicitly mentions masturbation, it has a whole lot to say about guarding against impure thought, and how impure thought is plainly a sin.

If we take God seriously, we'll listen and obey. If we're more interested in our fulfilling our own sinful desires, we'll make up excuses.

I'm certainly not perfect, and this is something that I've struggled with. I think we ought to take it seriously.
 
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Hmm. Its thinking what I want, instead of what God wants.
I once heard someone say it was a sin because it was homosexuality! Sex with someone of your own gender! :eek:

I don't do it, its just not good enough. Sex means love to me, and I don't love myself, at least, not that way.
 
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mark53 said:
Couldn't just about anything be labelled as 'earthly desires'?? Can't anything lead us into temptation?

So let's just stay in bed all day and we will be 'perfectly safe' from earthly desires and temptation!

LOL!! Although, I think you hit the nail on the head. EVERYTHING can be construed as "earthly desires" and therefore, temptation for us to sin. That is why we have the Heavenly Father on our side to help us through the temptations, or if we stumble, to pickus up and forgive us for our falls.
 
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It's not a sin. Unless, of course it becomes an obsession because anything done without moderation is not good for us. Also, if one is having impure fantasies while gratifying themselves, then it can also be a sin. The Lord has placed such detail into every single thing that is a sin, including sexual sins in the scriptures, that if He knew that self-satisfying the desires He gave us in our bodies is a sin, He certainly would have said so, or He wouldn't have given us those desires. :) Do not put words that God hasn't put in the Word in the Word. :holy:
 
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The Question: Is touching yourself a Sin?

Im going to take a different approach to the whole situation because I think alot of people just give yes or no answers and honestly I am sick of the debate... Hopefully this will present a NEW standard for you, and further encourage your sexual purity...
"Is it a sin? Is it not a sin? I dont want it to be a sin! I dont think it is a sin. Is it ok when you are married? Is it ok when you are single? Why do we produce so much if we arent supposed to get rid of it?" These are questions that even Christian guys ask...

Heres the oppinion of a 21 year old single guy who's hormones are raging like a 18 wheeler inside of him...

I dont think we should be asking questions like "is it a sin?" as often as we do... Let me show you what I mean.

1 Corinthians 6:12
"Everything is permissible for me", but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me," but I will not be mastered by anything.

Ok lets see... Everything is permissible? -BUT- not everything is beneficial? So Paul hits a deeper issue here. We stand around all the time and like to make rules and laws like --- touching yourself=SIN (on tuesdays and if you are lusting) to throw a little comedy in there --- I mean we are getting as stupid about things as the religious Jews of Jesus' time. Its not about it being a sin or not. The real issue here is what is MOST beneficial for our lives! I recently commited myself to a new standard... No masterbating... Its out of the question to me right now, it doesnt mean that I dont struggle with it, but I look at my life and say "How is masterbating BENEFICIAL to me?" Its not! As a single guy who used to touch daily I can tell you, it wastes time, energy, and honestly it was affecting my relationship with women because I wasnt respecting them. I am an artist and have a very wild imagination... I could be sitting talking to a girl on a date and in my mind I was undressing her. Almost constantly I was struggling with these things. I began reading 1 Corinthians and took an honest look at myself... In my mind I was a sick perverted person that should be locked up with sex offenders. I had imagined all sorts of things that I cant even talk about and keep this PG-13... But on the outside I was leading worship at a growing church, running the college ministry, working with the youthgroup, and working at a Christian book store... I had it all together, but reading 1 Corinthians tore me apart. I couldnt view touching yourself as natural anymore, I remember the first time I actualy realized how sick my mind was I ran to the bathroom and was dry heaving over the toilet. Not everything is beneficial, and when we are blinded by lust and our sexual cravings we miss the bigger picture. The life Paul talks about is not simply following the rules... Its living life to the fullest extent! Check this out:

1 Corinthians 9:24-27
Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified from the prize.

This is not an encouraging word for a 21 year old unmarried (yet dating) guy...
"Wait STRICT TRAINING? are you kidding me? BEAT MY BODY INTO SUBMISSION?" We get freaked out and right about now just trying to slide by is sounding alot better than going into strict training. Like I said the issue is alot bigger than "To SIN or not to SIN? that is the question!" No, no, no.... Thats where Christianity is falling into religiosity... We are becoming like the Pharisees each time we ad another little rule... Instead of SIN/NO SIN begin asking God what is MOST beneficial for your life!

Personal story, then I will stop rambling...

I have gone over a month now without masterbating and let me tell you... It is terrible... -now here me out- I went from masterbating at least once a day to nothing, AT ALL. I have more erections throught the course of the day than I have the patience for... I have had more wet dreams than you can imagine, forget that whole month fact stated before, I only lasted 2 days without a wet dream. They are starting to decrease now but it hasnt been easy. I cannot help the fact that some of the things I have looked at in the past are popping up in my dreams. What I can do is not add anymore thoughts, and strive to have a pure mind. Let me tell you something about quitting touching yourself, you feel it... You feel the full swing of testostrone (spelling?) hit you like a 24 pack of mountain dew... I have lost alot of weight over the past month and my muscles are toning and I am not really doing a thing to help... I spend most of my time writing a book, speaking at church, and leading worship... I am not the big sports fanatic... But my body is cycling all the testostrone back into my system and I feel alive like never before. That is just a physical aspect of the benefits... Get this- although I struggle, lie awake at night battling temptation, have to change sheets, ect. I have noticed my respect for women, more importantly my girlfriend, raise to a whole new level. I never knew that I could look at a woman like I look at her. It used to be all sex apeal and lust with previous relationships. But when I look her in the eyes I desire her more than any other girl I have looked at, I see her... I believe the way Christ wants me to see her. I could really go on all day about this topic because since I have had victory over it I have felt like an entirely more whole, pure, focused person.

Let me close this out with a challenge, and I commend you if you read this far... Please make it all the way to the end. I challenge you to STOP looking for loopholes. Because really its not a matter of SIN, its a matter of WHAT is the MOST BENEFICIAL choice you can make for your life? I challenge you to try a little personal sacrifice and see what I am talking about. Set up some accountability partners and tackle touching yourself head on. I garrenty that you will see which life is MORE beneficial. Go into strict training and life the beneficial life!

-Dan

I did not write this, it is from a prevous debate.
 
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I think as long as you don't use it to replace martial sex, it's probably not a grievious sin. I don't think it's a horrible, shamefull thing because it is an urge God put into us. Yes, He wants us to use it for marriage and procreation, but if masturbation keeps you from seeking sex outside of marriage, then why would He make it a sin? Just a thought.
 
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I would love to believe that there is nothing wrong in aything that we do, but of course there is. My friends and I have discussed this plenty of time is youth groups and so on. One of my friends said something that really opened my eyes. He said "I don't think it's the action thats wrong but the thoughts behind it." Usually, (and I stress USUALLY) people have to think arrousing thoughts. I think thats the sin, not the actual action. Plus, I don't think that we should feel guilty after we do it (someone mentioned it AND i mean without dirty thoughts). I think the only reason why some of us feel dirty is because of the sexually suffocating environment some of us were raised! Hope that helps...i too ramble. :)
 
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lovefaithchrist said:
I think the only reason why some of us feel dirty is because of the sexually suffocating environment some of us were raised
I disagree.
Why not just fornicate because it makes for a less suffocating environment?
Do we not have a higher standard than the world? i hope so!
 
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