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Is that because you're a really Hot Waiter?hotwaiter said:sometimes more so i've found...
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Aquinas did not rise from the dead. Aquinas is not God. Aquinas did not die on the Cross. Aquinas is just a guy who could communicate the crud his church corporation wanted to communicate at the time.MoonlessNight said:Aquinas calls masturbation a mortal sin, though largely by means of aristolean biology which has since been proven false (i.e. the belief that the man contributes the entire person in his sperm and that the woman is just a vessel for the seed, thus the sperm would essentially be a person and masturbation would then be akin to murder.) It is an interesting question to ask whether it would be a mortal sin given our current understanding of biology. But in any case Aquinas argues that the act is contrary to the nature of sexual intercourse, which is to produce life and in masturbation life is never produced, and this reasoning is still valid. So it would seem that given a virtue based morality system and a christian perspective masturbation would still be a sin, if only venial.
Married women, Yahsuah said Married women ,as in you are committing adultery with her when you fantasize about having sex with a woman and she is married to someone else.[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] said:how many men can claim that they have never looked at a woman lustfully? that means all men r guilty of this sin.
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If the 15 yo male could afford to have the wives he wants he would not have time or the inclination for masturbation.thisverymoment07 said:"The way I see it a 15 yr old boy is going to have these urges because thats how their bodies are programmed to work. It's not lust attacking, it's nature (and hormones) at work...God's plan if you will."
i agree that the continuation of life and the natural instincts that are programmed into our genes are part of god's plan. but i also believe that something that separates humans from beasts is the ability to resist instinct. men do not have hormones just at the age of 15. in fact, the feelings are even stronger for some men over the age of 30. if all of us acted according to urges, what would become of society. we have urges daily. the urge to cheat, the urge to steal, the urge to fight. if we became like animals and did whatever our body told us to do, we would be a society of disorder, blood, and turmoil. that is why bible speaks against doing all of these things which are part of human instinct. it's not the individual acts that are destructive to our souls, that i agree with. but being under the power of lust is destructive. masturbation inevitably leads to lust. i believe that the bible is never wrong and the bible specifically speaks against lust. so therefore, the must be something about lust that is detremental
if you want to argue from a biological view, how does masturbation increase likelyhood of reproduction and how does it help the human body at all?
DrFate said:Aquinas did not rise from the dead. Aquinas is not God. Aquinas did not die on the Cross. Aquinas is just a guy who could communicate the crud his church corporation wanted to communicate at the time.
Aquinas worked for a corporation that encourages sexual perversions (celibacy is a perversion) and that has a documented history of protecting Child Molesters. Such a corporation is not qualified to teach morality to normal people, NAMBLA maybe, but not normal people.
There is no good reason to bother with the opinions of Aquinas or his corporation
Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) lived at a critical juncture of western culture when the arrival of the Aristotelian corpus in Latin translation reopened the question of the relation between faith and reason, calling into question the modus vivendi that had obtained for centuries. This crisis flared up just as universities were being founded. Thomas, after early studies at Montecassino, moved on to the University of Naples, where he met members of the new Dominican Order. It was at Naples too that Thomas had his first extended contact with the new learning. When he joined the Dominican Order he went north to study with Albertus Magnus, author of a paraphrase of the Aristotelian corpus. Thomas completed his studies at the University of Paris, which had been formed out of the monastic schools on the Left Bank and the cathedral school at Notre Dame. In two stints as a regent master Thomas defended the mendicant orders and, of greater historical importance, countered both the Averroistic interpretations of Aristotle and the Franciscan tendency to reject Greek philosophy. The result was a new modus vivendi between faith and philosophy which survived until the rise of the new physics. Thomas's theological writings became regulative of the Catholic Church and his close textual commentaries on Aristotle represent a cultural resource which is now receiving increased recognition.Chajara said:I know nothing of this Aquinas dude...
After 45 years of living on the North American Indudstrial society diet, I would not be surprised if many men did not [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for 40 days at a time or longer, further, I would not be suprised if many men did not even notice the lack of action.aragorn said:I reckon you should have a poll,
how many men here have gone as long as forty days without having an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]? I haven't done it since I reached puberty.
After ten days I'm walking aorund with an erection most of the time.
Having said that I reckon it's quite likely that if you can overpower your flesh by strength of will, it probably does increase your spiritual power.
But what do I know, I'#ve never done it.
If there was nothing wrong with masturbation, then jerkoff/wanker wouldn't be an insult.
But me, I reckon it's not what you do, it's how you do it.
12volt_man said:I don't believe that the Bible says that masturbation is a sin, in and of itself, but how does one touch without engaging in lust, which is a sin?
That, my friend, is the slippery slope fallacy.stray bullet said:And to add to that, the more one masturbates, the more they begin to look for new ways for feeding their habit. This can lead to pornography, fetishes, one-night stands, and other dangerous things.
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