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Masturbation... is it wrong?

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cvilleknight said:
It is very wrong because it is complete lust. I read that somebody mentioned that you can do it with 0% lust, well then why do it?
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Because it's enjoyable? I mean, if you don't like [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], fine, but others do.
That guy was supposed to impregnate his dead brother's wife to continue on the family line, no?
 
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Of coarse it is fun, sin is often very fun but still remains a sin. How can a person possibly think that masturbating is Gods will?

As for Onin yes he was suppose to carry on the family but to avoid a pregency he wasted his seed on the ground (how do you suppose a man does that by himself?) and God killed him for it.
 
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[BIBLE]Genesis 38:8-10[/BIBLE]

I don't see how you interpret this as the Bible being against the masturbation?

The man was told to marry his brother's wife and then impregnate her. The man knew that the child wouldn't be his so he pulled out before [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. For his disobedience he was killed. These verses are about obedience not masturbation, or the alternate usage, to denounce contraception.

Perhaps we should start equipping young boys with these until they're married:
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The Cage-- The Handbook of Medicine in 1885 offered a metal cage that could be put around a boys genitals. It would allow erections, which weren't seen as wrong, yet would prevent the boy from touching himself.
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cvilleknight said:
Of coarse it is fun, sin is often very fun but still remains a sin. How can a person possibly think that masturbating is Gods will?
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You said it was wrong because it is lust, mentioned the person who said it was possible without lust, and asked why someone would then want to do it. I replied with a reason.

I am not a Christian, but if I go too long without any sort of sexual release, I get crabby and irritable. Since God presumably wants us to be nice to others, I'd think that my being in a better mood from something that didn't hurt anyone would indeed be his will.
As for Onin yes he was suppose to carry on the family but to avoid a pregency he wasted his seed on the ground (how do you suppose a man does that by himself?) and God killed him for it.
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Ninja Turtles posted the verse in question. Looks to me like God was annoyed by his reason, not the act.
 
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That is the difference between Christians and non-Christians, we would rather be irritable (not that the two are actually connected) that to sin against our Lord.

I'm not sure what Ninja turtle wrote but masturbation is sexual pleasure outside of marriage or that is to say outside of the sexual relationship between married persons in the act of self-giving and human procreation where true love is achieved.
 
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So now you're changing your reasoning? What happened to the Onan passage then?
 
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cvilleknight said:
That is the difference between Christians and non-Christians, we would rather be irritable (not that the two are actually connected) that to sin against our Lord.
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Again, you said it was wrong because it was lust. So it's not wrong when it's not accompanied by lusting after someone?
 
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I don't think there is anyone so preoccupied with and screwed up about sexual matters than young christian males. Guys, if you feel God is telling you not to experience any sexual release until you are married then don't do it. But do not assume to tell others what God wants of them and stop whining about how hard it is.

You all spend so much time talking about it, reading about it and holding each other 'accountable' that you begin to look like pervs. If you have an urge to do it just do it and get on with your lives instead of making it such an issue. You will be all be better people for it.
 
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cvilleknight said:
No!! I just said it is wrong! I said it is better to be irritated that to commit a sin against our Lord, which for this topic is masturbation!
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My statement was based on this:
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The Bible is very clear that a person should not touch, if you would like to read the book of Genesis chapter 38 Onin wastes his seed on the ground and God is very displeased and kills him.
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cvilleknight said:
As for Onin yes he was suppose to carry on the family but to avoid a pregency he wasted his seed on the ground (how do you suppose a man does that by himself?) and God killed him for it.
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Mastrubation usually indicates that one is alone, however Onan was with another person. Even if you don't believe that the reason God killed Onan was because of the property rights, you have to admit that only mastrubation with another person is a bad thing. The entire thing says nothing about mastrubation alone.

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I'm not sure what Ninja turtle wrote but masturbation is sexual pleasure outside of marriage or that is to say outside of the sexual relationship between married persons in the act of self-giving and human procreation where true love is achieved.
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Yet, the command of God was for Onan to sleep with his brothers wife. It was sex outside of marriage and sex not for love. That indicates that god approves of sex outside of marriage and sex not for love.
 
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Lets start with what lust actually is. Lust is disorder desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure.

Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.

Ok what is the point of masturbation? To derived sexual pleasure! So this is the deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage contrary to its purpose. In this case sexual pleasure is sought outside of the sexual relationship which is demanded by moral order.

What is unitive about masturbation? Nothing it is self-pleasing.
Does it cause procreation? No it is wasted seed.
 
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Sexuality is a natural part of all beings. Masturbation is fine with me. A person shouldn't have to feel dirty and bad about something natural. If they do feel bad about it, I'm very sorry for them, that they feel they must be guilty. I would suggest that they not touch then, since it would probably result in more guilt. I would also suggest they do some deep thinking about it and make sure that guilt and fear of their bodies is not the true motivating factor in their decision.

A person is capable of masturbating without feeling lust towards another person or fantasizing. Is it permissable in marriage, if you think only of your spouse?

Masturbation in men can lower the risks of prostate cancer and also lower the instances of nocturnal emmissions. Sounds like a healthy activity to me!

Masturbation in women increases knowledge of the self, the same with masturbation for men. Should we all be ignorant of our own bodies? That seems like such a shame to me, and a waste of perfectly healthy nerve endings.
 
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cvilleknight said:
Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.
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What! Says who? Cannot sex be enjoyed solely for it's pleasure? If not, where does Scripture say that?

How are you defining morally disordered? Where can you point me in Scripture that shows pleasure is "morally disorder" when it's sought for self?

Eph.
 
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The thing within the heart that can grow monstrous and deceitful.

And that thing is lust.
 
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