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I had to add to the part explaining James 1
As I understand James he says first we are temped - by lustful thoughts, then we are enticed - we take the bait, and when lust has conceived - when we are taken as prisoner under our lust, then it gives birth to sin - we indulge in the sin ... when sin is accomplished - the deed leads to death.
I guess the part that people hate to face usually is that we have temptations.That we have weaknesses. It threatens our desire of being the ideal person, and it’s not a favorable light to see ourselves.
It's good to remember that even Jesus was tempted.
A lot of times I forget
Thanks for the conversation! It has given me a few things to think about.
It's a tough one for us old sinners but, after reading through the Bible a few times from what I can see it only says that any type of sex is okay with our wives.
Her playing with that thing versus you playing with that thing are (two different things.)
M-Bob
It's a tough one for us old sinners but, after reading through the Bible a few times from what I can see it only says that any type of sex is okay with our wives.
Her playing with that thing versus you playing with that thing are (two different things.)
M-Bob
This. A mature way to put it, for a mature audience.
Of course even sex with our wife can be sinful. Each one must test themself what is sinful and not.
For some people monastery may be a solution. But most of us aren't fit for that kind of living. There were no monasteries at the time of the apostles. I believe they overcame sexual immorality pretty well. So of course we can too, through the Holy Spirit.
I'm an adult in my mid 20's, I know I'm not the most mature person in the world but I've been struggling with this a lot lately. I'm not addicted to masturbation but I feel like I can't avoid doing it every once in a while, and I think the reason it bothers me so much is because I can't be 100% sure whether it's a sin or not.
If I don't touch like once a week I get too overwhelmed by stress from my everyday life. But if I do touch, I fear that I may be going against God. I know the second is more important but even so it's not easy to control it.
The thing is, I've researched as much as I could but I can't find any scripture that I think is absolutely about this. I've seen Christians quote that part where Jesus talks about "looking at a woman with lust". Or the Onan story. Or some quotes from Paul about how the body is the temple of Christ and self control.
I asked a priest and he told me masturbation IS a sin. But I've also seen Christians on the Internet saying masturbation is the lesser of two evils if it means it can be a release that stops you from commiting a worse sin (like fornication?). Doctors regardless of religion seem to say it's healthy and that it's okay as long as it's not addictive.
So I have a bunch of questions about this subject:
I think a reason this bothers me so much was that even though I hardly ever masturbated before becoming a Christian, I wasn't worried back then about whether it was a sin or not, it was just a mundane action. But now I can't help bringing God into the equation and only thinking about how MAYBE I lose His love or friendship, but only after doing it.
- What scriptures are the most clear about masturbation being a sin (if it is)?
- What did Jesus mean when he said that about looking at a woman with lust? I mean it's quite impossible to never absolutely ever get turned on by someone (unwillingly).
- What is the healthiest alternative to masturbation? I mean I try to distract myself, pray, read the scriptures. But I still get stressed out and weak eventually.
- If it's a sin, why is it a sin? I've been told at some point that a sin is something that means you are not loving someone else (and that you love or unlove God by your actions towards other people). Who isn't loved when you touch? I'm currently single but I would obviously put my partner in the first place if I were with one. If it's offensive to God then why exactly would He pick something as arbitrary and specific as this? I know pornography can come into play but do porn performers feel unloved if someone masturbates to them?
- If it's a sin, how bad as a sin is it? Or are all sins equal? I've learned at some point that some sins are mortal, others aren't.
- Do average Christians touch? Or are they being honest when many of them imply or claim they don't?
I'm also worried that this may be something many people must struggle with. But I get the impression that most Christians on the Internet that speak against it sound like they never touch and I feel more alienated from them that way since it just seems unnatural to be able to avoid it unless they are asexual.
I live surrounded by Christians but I'm sure most of them at least have premarital sex. I currently don't and I know I can't judge others but I struggle with accepting that every Christian has their own idea of what's right and wrong. I know that common sense could help understanding if something is a sin, and that knowing if you can "do it in the name of God" or "for the Grace of God" can also help, but neither of these apply directly to masturbation. Common sense tells me masturbation is at least healthy (doctors say it) and the other part is just too vague. I know people as friends don't mind if their friends touch in private and Jesus refers to Himself as a friend who just asks us to love each other.
Thanks a lot in advance for any answers!!
God bless.
Could you give some examples of how sex with your mate can be a sin?
Are you talking about spousal rape?
All sins are common to man , if you think about it every man fap
Back to topic .
If something glorify God then it is not sin . If it does not glorify God it is probably sin.
Fapping is sin . But it is as bad as hating somebody or even cursing .You just feel like it's worst sin than saying a lie or something like that because when you release yourself you lose dopamine .
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Telling a lie is as bad as murder in God's eyes .
We sin multiple times a day that's why we need to be saved .
Get wife problem solved
I read Christians (but not all) saying masturbation is a sin. But how do they manage to escape from that sin themselves? It's clearly way easier for some because they married young or because they are probably closer to asexuality. Of those that claim masturbation is a sin, I pretty much never see them say how they manage to not touch, or admit they do touch.
What I find interesting in some here saying, "If it doesn't glorify God, it's a sin". So...is eating ice cream glorifying God? No...you're just eating ice cream, is going bowling glorifying God? No, you're just going bowling.
Is walking from the parking lot to the front door glorifying God? No, you're just walking.
That's too broad of a brush to be saying, "If it doesn't glorify God, then it is a sin".
You see, people are remaining single...longer, so thus they'll cave, eventually to some kind of sin. Some are being good little boys and girls at the very least not having premarital sex...but people like this, esp. men, are likely masturbating at the age of 30 if they haven't found a wife yet.
Can he be at least given credit for having remained abstinent, basically a 30 year old virgin, but still masturbates?
Is it okay to touch as long as you're saving yourself for your future spouse? If you have a picture of your fiance in a bikini, is it okay to do the deed thinking of only her? But hey, at least you hadn't had sex with her, right?
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