Master Race ?

[cavell]

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An Enlightened Race?

Aryanism, the belief in a super-race, is a foundational teaching of Hinduism's caste system. It was also Hitler's twisted rationale for the annihilation of six million Jews and additional millions of other "impure" racial and societal strains. This same attitude of elitism breeds the New Age viewpoint of man's coming "quantum leap in the evolution of consciousness" that will create a new "awakened" and "enlightened" race.1 But there won't be any room for those who resist this transformed mystical world.

Gurus excuse away the madness and cruelty of the Holocaust as being the result of inadequate karma. Even Gandhi pleaded with the British to surrender to Hitler. "Hitler is not a bad man," he told them.2

Neale Donald Walsch, in one of his popular Conversations with God books, said God told him the following: "I do not love 'good' more than I love 'bad.' Hitler went to heaven. When you understand this, you will understand God.3

"Hitler didn't hurt anyone. In a sense, he didn't inflict suffering, he ended it.4

"The mistakes Hitler made did no harm or damage to those whose deaths he caused. Those souls were released from their earthly bondage, like butterflies emerging from a cocoon."5

[It is] astounding that even though Walsch made such statements, his Conversations with God books remained on the New York Times Best Seller List for over two years, selling millions of copies. While most people would say that what happened in Germany under Hitler was an atrocity that must never be repeated, the New Age is conditioning people toward the same mindset. Those who refuse to be enlightened or awakened (to the divinity within) stand in the way of the world's healing and need to be removed. Barbara Marx Hubbard, a prolific New Age author and speaker, calls this the selection process.6

Most people don't think of Hitler as a New Ager or certainly not a Hindu, but his philosophy on the "divinity" of man was right in line with the pantheistic view:

A new variety of man is beginning to separate out. The old type of man will have but a stunted existence. All creative energy will be concentrated in the new one. . . . I might call the two varieties [of man] the god-man and the mass animal. . . . Man is becoming God--that is the simple fact. Man is God in the making.7

1. Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now (Novato, CA: New World Library and Vancouver, BC: Namaste Publishing, First paperback printing, 2004), p. 67; terms "awakened" and "enlightened" throughout book.
2. Richard Grenier, "The Gandhi Nobody Knows," ("Commentary," March 1983, published monthly by the American Jewish Committee, New York, NY, http://history.eserver.org/ghandi-nobody-knows.txt, accessed 8/2008).
3. Neale Donald Walsch, Conversations with God, Book 1 (New York, NY: Penguin Putnam, First Hardcover edition, 1996), p. 61.
4. Neale Donald Walsch, Conversations with God, Book 2 (Charlottesville, VA: Hampton Road Publishing Company, 1997), p. 56.
5. Ibid., p. 42.
6. For more information on Barbara Marx Hubbard's "selection process," read Warren Smith's Reinventing Jesus Christ (Conscience Press).
7. Hermann Rauschning, Hitler Speaks (Kessinger Publishing, LLC, 2006), p.p. 241-242.

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[wayseer]

I think you give Hitler too much kodos - I think Hitler was a thug without any belief other than in power.

 

[StreetPreacher82]

So what is the point? I'm just curious since there is no explanation.

 

[wayseer]

I think the OP, as far as I read it, is trying to establish a link between Hitler and the New Age thinking of Walsh and Tolle.

 

[StreetPreacher82]

I think the OP, as far as I read it, is trying to establish a link between Hitler and the New Age thinking of Walsh and Tolle.

I see it now. However, it can be easily lost in translation.

 

[cavell]

I think the OP, as far as I read it, is trying to establish a link between Hitler and the New Age thinking of Walsh and Tolle.(wayseer)

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Aryanism, is the belief in a super-race,...... is a foundational teaching of Hinduism's caste system.

A beliefe adopted by Hitler's twisted rationale for the annihilation of six million Jews and additional millions of other "impure" (as judged by the Nazi) racial and societal strains.

This same attitude of elitism has brought about and has bred a New Age viewpoint today, of some man's supremacy over others. A "quantum leap in the evolution of consciousness" creating a new "awakened" and "enlightened" race

Such atrocity and extermination of human life in the cause of 'supremacy' is alien to scripture.

The bible teaches that "all have sinned and come short of the standard required by God" "There is none righteous" "No not one"

But Jesus died the "Just for the Unjust" that he might bring us to God.




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[engrafted]

If the point of the post was to point out the parallels between
Hitlers ideology and our growing global new age conscience-
ness? I would have to agree.

 

[Sphinx777]

The master race (German: die Herrenrasse, das Herrenvolk) was a concept in Nazi ideology, which holds that the Germanic (including the Nordic peoples) represent an ideal and "pure race". It derives from 19th century racial theory, which posited a hierarchy of races placing Jews at the bottom of the hierarchy while Northern Europeans (namely the Germanic peoples in particular) at the top.

 

[wayseer]

While most people would say that what happened in Germany under Hitler was an atrocity that must never be repeated, the New Age is conditioning people toward the same mindset.

How? YOu need to elaborate. At the moment I cannot see any connection at all.

Hitler was part of the State. Walsh and Tolle are hardly part of the State.

 

[josephrobert]

After reading your post Cavell. I have the below thoughts:

1) Anyone who supports Race Spremacy is an Anti Christian be Hitler, Walsh or Tolle.
2) If that be the case then God could have created all human beings into one single race and could have given all the rest of his creation to be it slaves.
3) The concept of Human Beings created in the Image of God, which means that we exhibit his nature in one way or the other is what should be debated.
4) I Guess the above is debated for long and most scholars concluded that we are Inded God image and deserve each other the same respect and courtesy.
5) Then why is the only a sect of Human's Feel that they are Most superior and Powerful? The answer is "Ignorance". Lack of proper spirituality and connection with God. Most of them lost in their own self proclaimed theories that don't have any kind of scientific or Archealogical proof. All they have is some wierd Mythical proof which again is their own creation or some selfish view.
6) If Hitler or the so called superior race is really so powerful then i would challenge them to do what our Lord Jesus did. Can they go through what he went through? Can they save God's Creation from clutches of Sin and Spiritual Death? Can they resolve the wars, Mysteries behind Tsunami's/Hurricanes/Earth Quakes and Twisters etc.,.

My point is whoever that is who is supporting Hitler's ideology has gone wrong in all basics. These are the people who require salvation.

 

[indianx]

Aryanism, the belief in a super-race, is a foundational teaching of Hinduism's caste system.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post in this section as a Hindu, but this is false. The term 'Aryan' was not used in a racial context until Europeans latched onto it and gave it their own perverted meaning in the 19th and 20th centuries. In Hinduism, the word 'arya' is used in the same spiritual sense it is used in Buddhism and Jainism - it refers to one who is devoted to God and whose behaviour and conduct is marked by morality, regardless of his caste and you can refer to the Srimad Bhagavatam for the scriptural support.

 

[Christian Soldier]

"Heinrich Himmler (the Reichsfuhrer of the SS), the person ordered by Adolf Hitler to implement the final solution (Holocaust), told his personal masseur Felix Kersten that he always carried with him a copy of the ancient Aryan scripture, the Bhagavad Gita because it relieved him of guilt about what he was doing — he felt that like the warrior Arjuna, he was simply doing his duty without attachment to his actions."[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryanism

 

[indianx]

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. .. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison."

- Adolph Hitler

Just to show that copying and pasting arbitrary quotes from Wikipedia articles doesn't constitute a proper discussion.

 

[Christian Soldier]

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. .. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison."- Adolph Hitler

Just to show that copying and pasting arbitrary quotes from Wikipedia articles doesn't constitute a proper discussion.

The enormous difference being that YOUR quote is completely UNDOCUMENTED, while mine is properly sourced.

Here's a DOCUMENTED quote from Hitler regarding Christianity:

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition.

The objection may very well be raised that such phenomena in world history arise for the most part from specifically Jewish modes of thought, in fact, that this type of intolerance and fanaticism positively embodies the Jewish nature. This may be a thousand times true; we may deeply regret this fact and establish with justifiable loathing that its appearance in the history of mankind is something that was previously alien to history - yet this does not alter the fact that this condition is with us today.

The men who want to redeem our German people from its present condition have no need to worry their heads thinking how lovely it would be if this and that did not exist; they must try to ascertain how the given condition can be eliminated. A philosophy filled with infernal intolerance will only be broken by a new idea, driven forward by the same spirit, championed by the same mighty will, and at the same time pure and absolutely genuine in itself.

The individual may establish with pain today that with the appearance of Christianity the first spiritual terror entered into the far freer ancient world, but he will not be able to contest the fact that since then the world has been afflicted and dominated by this coercion, and that coercion is broken only by coercion, and terror only by terror. Only then can a new state of affairs be constructively created."

Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

 

[Sphinx777]

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. .. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison."

- Adolph Hitler

Link

 

[d1684]

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains...The war will be over one day. I shall then consider that my life's final task will be to solve the religious problem." [Hitler’s Table Talk, p. 142-4]

"Christianity is the biggest lie the Jews ever told humanity"
-- Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," -- Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.

"When National Socialism has ruled long enough, it will no longer be possible to conceive of a form of life different from ours. In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together…The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity." [Hitler's Table Talk, p. 6-7]

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." [p. 51]

"Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity in this respect. And that's why one day its structure will collapse. Science has already impregnated humanity. Consequently, the more Christianity clings to its dogmas, the quicker it will decline."[Hitler's Table Talk, pp 58-62]

"Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking 'You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?'" [Speer, Albert, Inside the Third Reich, Bonanza Books, New York, p. 96]

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity." [Table Talk, p. 75]

"The Jew who fraudulently introduced Christianity into the ancient world----in order to ruin it----re-opened the same breach in modern times, taking as his pretext the social question. Just as Saul became St. Paul, Mardochai has become Karl Marx." [p. 314]

I think it's a safe bet to say he wasn't a Christian.
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[Christian Soldier]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]"The Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so....Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed."[/FONT]

Josef Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister
From his personal diary

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[indianx]

The enormous difference being that YOUR quote is completely UNDOCUMENTED, while mine is properly sourced.

I thought my addendum following the quote made it obvious that it was the same as yours - "copying and pasting arbitrary quotes from Wikipedia articles."

This page in particular: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs

The quote I referenced:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. .. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison."

is under the section entitled 'Positive Christianity'.

Understand that my intention here is not in the least to paint your religion in a negative manner. My initial post in this thread was to correct a false statement regarding my religion. The word 'arya' in Dharmic religions, like Buddhism, Hinduism, and Jainism, is used to signify a man who is devoted to God and lives a life of morality, irrespective of his social caste.

Buddha referred to his teachings as the 'Arya Dharma' (source: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupid?key=olbp15801). The word was simply not associated with race in ancient India, whether denotatively or connotatively.

Europeans, in the 18th and 19th centuries, began using that word in a racial context, partly due to the nascent Aryan Invasion Theory, the formulation of which the German Indologist, Max Muller, contributed to in great deal. Hitler, who was born in the late 19th century Germany, continued the European tradition of using the word in a racial context, using it as a label for his conjured up, quite lunatic, race that was central to his depraved ideology. As a result, those in Nazi Germany imagined themselves to be of the same lineage as these mythical ancestors, who they believed to have also invaded ancient India.

I think it's a safe bet to say he wasn't a Christian.

As I've stated, my initial post was simply to point that out that the word 'arya' was not associated with race in Dharmic religions, as stated by the OP. Another poster responded to that post with an arbitrary quote which stated that a SS official carried the Bhagavad Gita with him to imply a factually, and historically, non-existent conjunction. To which, I had no recourse but to point out that there are plenty of quotes identifying Hitler and Nazi Germany with various religions, including Christianity and Islam, which do not, in the least, say anything substantive about the religions themselves.

I personally don't believe Hitler and his perverted ideology had anything to do with religion, whether it be Christianity, Islam, or Hinduism. He was simply a lunatic who tried to look and appeal to every source to try to legitimitize his cause.

 

[Christian Soldier]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs

Thanks! Your source helps confirm MY position!

From your own source:

Adolf Hitler was brought up as a Roman Catholic. According to historian Bradley F. Smith, Hitler's father, though nominally a Catholic, was a freethinker,[1] while his mother was a practicing Catholic.[2] According to historian Michael Rissmann young Adolf was influenced in school by Pan-Germanism and began to reject the Church and Catholicism, receiving Confirmation only unwillingly. A boyhood friend reports that after Hitler had left home, he never attended Mass or received the Sacraments.[3] Georg Ritter von Schönerer's writings and the written legacy of his Pan-German Away from Rome! movement, which agitated against the Roman Catholic Church at the end of the 19th century, may have influenced the young Adolf Hitler.[4]

 

[cavell]

The bible teaches that Jesus was a Jew. It also teaches that Jesus came "to the Jew first"

The bible was written by Jews.

The Bible was written during 1,600 year period by 40 prophets, most of whom lived in diverse cultures, at different times in history, yet who never contradict but complement each other.

Without the Jew and without Jesus there would be no Christianity. Without the Jew and without Jesus there would be no future for humanity