Mass shootings

Newtheran · Aug 6, 2019

Jen35 said:
Look, there has been mass shootings and terrorists attacks on and off for so long in this country. So why people are complaining and whining about such irks me in all kinds of ways. Don't you know there are still people sick suffering and dying in the hospitals and on the streets and in other parts of the world? What makes these people different then the others? Why worry about something you had no control over?, why not use your freedom and help those you can help and have control over. What can donald Trump do? All Donald Trump can do is be Donald Trump. It's no use worrying about something we have no control over. While I am very sorry people have got killed and hurt, I know also the Bible says we are not to put our faith in man , but God only. So Donald Trump may be leading the country now but don't expect any miracles and don't expect the man to not fall in error because the bible says to put our faith in God only, Donald Trump is an imperfect human being who was born a sinner just like all of us. And on this earth no man should be fully trusted. It ain't nobody on this Earth perfect and doesn't make mistakes. I believe we are all capable of falling into error. It would just be better to just pray to God, (the only one who can do the possible) about it instead of complaining about such cause it's irritating and it bothers me. A beautiful man died on the cross 2000 years ago yet no one talks about that and how he suffered for us and lost his life. The only thing events shows us like this is that life is short and because it is short we should be trying to return our hearts and souls to God and seeking him. Besides, the bible says we are all destined to die and people die everyday, get over it please :-/

As tragic as the events in El Paso and Dayton were, we need to keep them in perspective. Drunk drivers kill one person on US highways every 50 minutes. In short, alcohol creates more than one El Paso a day on our nations highways. It's interesting to see people ignore the beams in the public health debate and focus on the specks, and this sort of singlemindedness can't help but call motives into question.

Jen35 · Aug 6, 2019

Newtheran said:
As tragic as the events in El Paso and Dayton were, we need to keep them in perspective. Drunk drivers kill one person on US highways every 50 minutes. In short, alcohol creates more than one El Paso a day on our nations highways. It's interesting to see people ignore the beams in the public health debate and focus on the specks, and this sort of singlemindedness can't help but call motives into question.

Well I'm done talking and I'm done with this thread...

Newtheran · Aug 6, 2019

Foxfyre said:
One of the most significant statistics in men who become vicious dictators and among the young men who are mass shooters is that a largely disproportionate number of them grew up without frequent influence from their biological fathers. I don't think that is a statistic we should ignore.

This is the "elephant" in the room so to speak. Discussions like this trample the feminist narrative underfoot.

http://thesestonewalls.com/gordon-macrae/in-the-absence-of-fathers-a-story-of-elephants-and-men/

Newtheran · Aug 6, 2019

parousia70 said:
So why doesn't the 2nd amendment allow me to have my own Tank? or Stinger Missile? or Nuke?

You can own a tank if you want.

A nuclear missile, unlike a firearm, is intended as a tool used to project force to foreign shores as a matter of foreign policy and so falls outside the original intent of the second amendment.

you are speaking without knowledge, unless you have had a child or spouse killed in a senseless manner.

While all who suffer loss have my sympathy, suffering such a loss does not qualify you as an expert on public policy. Remember, those who drafted the second amendment had just lived through the horrors of a war that dwarfed anything that happened yesterday.

expos4ever · Aug 6, 2019

xser88 said:
... from watching the news you would think violence is getting worse. Hasn't been true for years,....

Agree. The data is clear. On the whole, and worldwide on average, violence is declining markedly.

For a number of reasons, the better angels of our nature are prevailing.

DamianWarS · Aug 6, 2019

Jen35 said:
( *Sings* He got the whole world in his hands, he got the world in his hands.jk. ) But this is one world dude, the reason for everything evil in this world is not evil in itself or because it's 1st world problems, it's people who become evil for ignoring and rejecting God's words, think they can have thier own way, play God themselves and have control over this world, then again we all have a purpose so maybe it was there purpose to cause such wickedness but at the end of the day Whether good or bad happens in the world, Gods plan for mankind will still succeed. So why are y'all being so rational and overreacting about it when y'all know how the story ends already...why not be mature about it and just accept things for what it is ..and may be.. you people have no faith at all...

I'm not sure how that qualifies your complaints against your government or how our perspective for mass shootings should be to the tune of Que sera, sera. (just with some sort of doomsday lyrics) There's darkness in this world and our job is to spread the light as far and as wide as possible, not find the best seat to watch it go down. Charles Spurgeon is quoted saying "If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for." Take him or leave him, but that sort of passion is about intimately and desperately caring for the lost regardless of how lost they are.

bèlla · Aug 6, 2019

Newtheran said:
This is the "elephant" in the room so to speak. Discussions like this trample the feminist narrative underfoot.

The elephant in the room is survival of the fittest. Our response to pain is not identical. Some self-destruct, harm others, harm themselves, quit, keep trying, or overcome.

Fatherless homes are one form of adversity. The next could be a serious illness or learning disability. How you handle the challenges is the difference. Some people have difficulty coping with life’s setbacks. Others never learned how to do so.

Three-fourths of our lives are spent outside of parental jurisdiction. If we’ve failed to address our lack or never sought help for negative experiences we are culpable. You can’t play the parent card forever. Well adjusted adults move beyond it and take responsibility for their decisions and mistakes.

I’m not dismissing the impact of fatherless homes. But it isn’t the lone hardship anyone faces. I could make a similar argument for poverty or put another difficulty in that position. The results remain the same. Some overcome unpleasant hardships and others don’t.

Oftentimes it isn’t what we’re facing that determines our end. It’s who we are and how we stand.

parousia70 · Aug 6, 2019

☦Marius☦ said:
I'm not. I was just saying his analogy was poor. Honestly I wouldn't care at all about gun control if it weren't for the fact that it would make political revolution (if necessary), impossible.

But don't we already have gun control on some level?
Does that mean political revolution is already impossible?

How would an assault weapon give you an advantage in successfully pulling off a political revolution over a handgun when the government is rolling down your down your street with tanks and buzzing overhead with blackhawks?

Sorry... when it comes to poor reasons against gun control, you seem to have taken the cake with this one.

Again, I can't own a nuclear weapon, or even a surface to air anti aircraft missile to protect my family from government intrusion, yet the 2nd amendment is still very much intact.

Same would go for an AR.

parousia70 · Aug 6, 2019

Newtheran said:
A nuclear missile, unlike a firearm, is intended as a tool used to project force to foreign shores as a matter of foreign policy and so falls outside the original intent of the second amendment.

Says who?
You think if New york city was taken over by islamic jihadists who launched a nuke on DC, that the US government wouldn't hit NYC with a nuke in retaliation?

its a brave new world friend.. original intent is a thing of the past.

If the 2nd amendment was intended to protect the populace from our government overreaching, shouldn't it allow the populace to bear armaments of EQUAL force to that which is held by the oppressive government?

And if we want to talk "original intent", then we d have to say the 2nd amendment is only for muskets.

What about a surface to air missile? rocket launcher? or other such "defensive" weaponry?
Why does me not being able to own and brandish those weapons freely not violate my 2nd amendment rights?

Ronald · Aug 6, 2019

parousia70 said:
So why doesn't the 2nd amendment allow me to have my own Tank? or Stinger Missile? or Nuke?

Trust me, a good guy with a Nuke would stop a mass shooter in his tracks every time.

Well you'd have to be able to carry and conceal it. No, mass murder was not the initial idea, just personal protection of family and property, our rights. I would agree with outlawing automatic rifles, semi-automatic weapons.

expos4ever said:
I see nothing in post 62 except (1) an argument that evil is inevitable; and (2) an supported claim that restrictions on guns don’t work.

As for feeling insulted, the comparison to cars is an absolutely dreadful argument. What do you want me to say?

And what us your 2nd amendment argument? Surely it cannot be that whatever is in the Constitution is timeless truth. Times change - what might have made sense 200 years ago does not necessarily make sense today.

Checks and balances were installed in our Constitution to prohibit the government from gaining too much power. It's collapsing. When you have the Supreme Court legislating, they are over-stepping their powers as with Gay Marriage and Abortion.
The first step in creating a socialist/fascist country is to outlaw guns. Take away the guns from private citizens, then you can easily rule over them, force your hand, like in communist nations. Removing guns doesn't stop evil, it just allows evil to dominate on a larger scale and our freedoms will be lost.

parousia70 · Aug 6, 2019

expos4ever said:
Agree. The data is clear. On the whole, and worldwide on average, violence is declining markedly.

For a number of reasons, the better angels of our nature are prevailing.

QFT..

The world is getting demonstrably BETTER by every measurable metric.

It drives the dispensational futurists' bananas to grapple with such facts, for a progressively better world is antithetical to their theology, but, their "doom and gloom" time is rapidly running out, and they'll all die off eventually, and the betterment of the world under the dominion of the Church will continue, unstoppable, as prophesied. (Isaiah 9:7, Ephesians 3:20-21, Matthew 16:18)

parousia70 · Aug 6, 2019

Ronald said:
The first step in creating a socialist/fascist country is to outlaw guns. Take away the guns from private citizens, then you can easily rule over them, force your hand, like in communist nations. Removing guns doesn't stop evil, it just allows evil to dominate on a larger scale and our freedoms will be lost.

Rest assured the USof A will NEVER outlaw all Guns, or take all guns away from private citizens.

We may continue to outlaw citizens from owning surface to air missiles tho, so yeah... socialism is clearly behind that...

expos4ever · Aug 6, 2019

Ronald said:
The first step in creating a socialist/fascist country is to outlaw guns. Take away the guns from private citizens, then you can easily rule over them, force your hand, like in communist nations. Removing guns doesn't stop evil, it just allows evil to dominate on a larger scale and our freedoms will be lost.

The facts show otherwise. Dozens and dozens of advanced prosperous countries have existed for decades with no guns and no tyranny.

☦Marius☦ · Aug 6, 2019

parousia70 said:
But don't we already have gun control on some level?
Does that mean political revolution is already impossible?

How would an assault weapon give you an advantage in successfully pulling off a political revolution over a handgun when the government is rolling down your down your street with tanks and buzzing overhead with blackhawks?

Sorry... when it comes to poor reasons against gun control, you seem to have taken the cake with this one.

Again, I can't own a nuclear weapon, or even a surface to air anti aircraft missile to protect my family from government intrusion, yet the 2nd amendment is still very much intact.

Same would go for an AR.

"How would an assault rifle give you an advantage over a handgun?" Have you ever even shot a gun? Tanks can be disarmed with homemade explosives, people on the other hand, are a lot easier to take down if you have range, which handguns do not give.

Guerilla warfare is a thing.

usexpat97 · Aug 6, 2019

I just saw in the movies where a cowboy, when he shot another guy with a pistol, he shot it from behind his back with one hand, and he was deadly accurate from about 20 yards. I assume that mirrors reality? I mean it's Hollywood, after all.

Bonnie-Jean · Aug 6, 2019

Simply because there are countless other horrors in this world that should cause our hearts to break, it does not follow that we should therefore not be deeply grieved by these senseless mass shootings. As children of a loving God, we are to be loving as He is loving. I think, if we are not deeply moved by these recent acts of violence in our world, something is amiss in our hearts....

parousia70 · Aug 6, 2019

☦Marius☦ said:
"How would an assault rifle give you an advantage over a handgun?" Have you ever even shot a gun? Tanks can be disarmed with homemade explosives, people on the other hand, are a lot easier to take down if you have range, which handguns do not give.

Guerilla warfare is a thing.

So you believe and assert that the difference between a successful political revolution and an unsuccessful one relies on whether of not the populace has assault rifles?

Why not a Bazooka? or anti- tank mortar?
or nerve gas? Why not make those legal?

Surely its a lot easier to take down a group invading government people coming down your street with a well placed canister of nerve agent than an assault rifle, yes?

I mean, if you are hanging you hat on "we must have all the tools necessary to successfully pull off a revolution" then why stop at AR's?, because an AR will NOT stop THIS:

Ronald · Aug 6, 2019

expos4ever said:
The facts show otherwise. Dozens and dozens of advanced prosperous countries have existed for decades with no guns and no tyranny.

The sovereignty of all nations must first be accomplished - the USA is the big challenge. Once we submit, the One World Socialist Government can become a reality. That is the goal of the Left.
Watch Walter Chronkite's speech:
United Nations, national sovereingty and the future of the world - Walter Cronkite - a speech on UN

Gregory Thompson · Aug 6, 2019

Jen35 said:
Look, there has been mass shootings and terrorists attacks on and off for so long in this country. So why people are complaining and whining about such irks me in all kinds of ways. Don't you know there are still people sick suffering and dying in the hospitals and on the streets and in other parts of the world? What makes these people different then the others? Why worry about something you had no control over?, why not use your freedom and help those you can help and have control over. What can donald Trump do? All Donald Trump can do is be Donald Trump. It's no use worrying about something we have no control over. While I am very sorry people have got killed and hurt, I know also the Bible says we are not to put our faith in man , but God only. So Donald Trump may be leading the country now but don't expect any miracles and don't expect the man to not fall in error because the bible says to put our faith in God only, Donald Trump is an imperfect human being who was born a sinner just like all of us. And on this earth no man should be fully trusted. It ain't nobody on this Earth perfect and doesn't make mistakes. I believe we are all capable of falling into error. It would just be better to just pray to God, (the only one who can do the possible) about it instead of complaining about such cause it's irritating and it bothers me. A beautiful man died on the cross 2000 years ago yet no one talks about that and how he suffered for us and lost his life. The only thing events shows us like this is that life is short and because it is short we should be trying to return our hearts and souls to God and seeking him. Besides, the bible says we are all destined to die and people die everyday, get over it please :-/

In terms of "theology" what God (Theos) are you referring to? Is it the God of war? in what view of the world are mass shootings considered acceptable?

Since bloodshed pollutes the land, I'm not entirely sure why it shouldn't be a big deal?

No comment on puppet government figures.

☦Marius☦ · Aug 6, 2019

parousia70 said:
So you believe and assert that the difference between a successful political revolution and an unsuccessful one relies on whether of not the populace has assault rifles?

Why not a Bazooka? or anti- tank mortar?
or nerve gas? Why not make those legal?

Surely its a lot easier to take down a group invading government people coming down your street with a well placed canister of nerve agent than an assault rifle, yes?

I mean, if you are hanging you hat on "we must have all the tools necessary to successfully pull off a revolution" then why stop at AR's?, because an AR will NOT stop THIS:

Flame throwers, granade launchers and tanks can all be legally owned in some states, as well as rocket launchers if I'm not mistaken. And yes I think they should all be legal.

As for nerve gas, that is a stretch and you know it. Nerve Gas is banned globally for being a cruel method of killing. Not on the same level as other weapons necessary for military defense.

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