Mass immigration's impact on public education

[ripple the car]

The purpose of minimal numbers is so that they assimilate, not form their own ethnic ghettos and retain their own failed culture.

I agree with this. And have seen Muslims do this in my own town. They begin as a polite minority, and they grow into a pushy, disrespectful, demanding, lewd, criminal majority, and by that point, there's little anyone can do. Not all of these souls should be excluded. But mass immigration of peoples and cultures with obvious issues with terrorism / violence / religious oppression / misogyny does just what OldWiseGuy described. The results are creepy. Believe me.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

America reached the zenith of greatness with WW2. It has been all downhill since.

"As long as you are green you will keep growing. But as soon as you think you are ripe you will begin to rot."

 

[section9+1]

Com7fy8
"Has it been great enough to stay that way?"
Staying that way isn't a matter of how great it is. Christianity is fading in Europe and America. Is it not great enough to sustain itself? In a church or any other institution incarnated by man, it will always run down. The originators are always the best and most effective inspirers. After they are gone it is always downhill. It's inevitable and has nothing to do with original or current greatness. It's just the way it works.. It happened in Israel, Rome, and in countless nations since. Humans are not built for sustaining anything indefinitely. In South Africa, Nelson Mandela was an absolute giant of a man. He is gone and it's already beginning to slide downward. It can't be helped.

 

[Sparagmos]

That's fine if you want your own country within the country where you can speak your own language. But that's not what America is (or was) about. This guy wanted textbooks written in Spanish. In my own experience renting to Mexicans, the adults have no interest in learning English. They leave it up to their kids, who then act as translators for them. Worse yet one fellow, who rented from me for many years, attended English language classes every week, but never improved his English skills in all those years. Fortunately another long time tenant from Texas spoken very good English and acted as translator for many years. Her husband couldn't speak a word of English and had no desire to do so.

That is actually the pattern with all immigrants that have migrated here over the last 200 years. The children learn the language, many of the adults struggle with it. Not knowing English makes their life harder, and those that seem not to “want” to are really just those for whom learning another language is difficult. The rest of the world seems to do fine with multiple languages being spoken in one country. I personally have no problem with it. Latinos have a very strong sense of family and I think it would be great to see that becoming me stronger here in the states.

 

[Sparagmos]

You can look back at what once was as easily as I can. Only difference is you might not like what you see. But what you'd see is the root of our desirableness today. If we had been some other culture or people, we would be just another rat hole place that people would be doing their best to run away from. This is not about good people vs bad people. It's just the way it is and I even wish it wasn't. I would be very happy if other countries were desirable enough to hang onto their people so they could prosper and be blessed at home. But they're not. And America cannot fix that and I doubt if it can even manage to sustain itself in the face of it.

I was asking for your view. I have my own view. What do you see as values unique or prominent in U.S. culture that are in danger of eroding?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That is actually the pattern with all immigrants that have migrated here over the last 200 years. The children learn the language, many of the adults struggle with it. Not knowing English makes their life harder, and those that seem not to “want” to are really just those for whom learning another language is difficult. The rest of the world seems to do fine with multiple languages being spoken in one country. I personally have no problem with it. Latinos have a very strong sense of family and I think it would be great to see that becoming me stronger here in the states.

That will change as soon as our "family friendly" higher education system gets ahold of those kids.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Com7fy8
"Has it been great enough to stay that way?"
Staying that way isn't a matter of how great it is. Christianity is fading in Europe and America. Is it not great enough to sustain itself? In a church or any other institution incarnated by man, it will always run down. The originators are always the best and most effective inspirers. After they are gone it is always downhill. It's inevitable and has nothing to do with original or current greatness. It's just the way it works.. It happened in Israel, Rome, and in countless nations since. Humans are not built for sustaining anything indefinitely. In South Africa, Nelson Mandela was an absolute giant of a man. He is gone and it's already beginning to slide downward. It can't be helped.

It happens at the family level as well. Many kids, whose parents struggled and sacrificed to hopefully build a strong financial legacy for succeeding generations, waste it away in a single generation.

 

[section9+1]

In the past, people's roles were more clearly defined. Unwed pregnancies were called a wrongness. Illicit sex was considered risky and discouraged. Churches were thriving. Schools were safe. Guns were everywhere and it bothered no one. Neighborhoods were safer. Sexuality wasn't shoved into everyone's face. Media and entertainment and music had a conscience and took care what it said. We largely had a single culture. Other cultures may have been tolerated to an extent, but they were not endorsed by every fool. Some groups didn't have much of a voice, but some groups didn't deserve a voice. It wasn't the best it could be, but it was the best that was available. There was a heck of a lot uglier countries to move to and few seemed inclined to give it a try. We are not what we could be, but we are still desirable enough for everyone else to sacrifice and risk everything to come here. 33 Hispanic countries in the west and where do they want to come? To the only two non-Hispanic ones. Doesn't that tell you anything?

 

[Sparagmos]

In the past, people's roles were more clearly defined. Unwed pregnancies were called a wrongness. Illicit sex was considered risky and discouraged. Churches were thriving. Schools were safe. Guns were everywhere and it bothered no one. Neighborhoods were safer. Sexuality wasn't shoved into everyone's face. Media and entertainment and music had a conscience and took care what it said. We largely had a single culture. Other cultures may have been tolerated to an extent, but they were not endorsed by every fool. Some groups didn't have much of a voice, but some groups didn't deserve a voice. It wasn't the best it could be, but it was the best that was available. There was a heck of a lot uglier countries to move to and few seemed inclined to give it a try. We are not what we could be, but we are still desirable enough for everyone else to sacrifice and risk everything to come here. 33 Hispanic countries in the west and where do they want to come? To the only two non-Hispanic ones. Doesn't that tell you anything?

It sounds like you want to go back to the time of Jim Crow laws and women being relegated to the home. It was great for white men then, not so much for the majority of Americans who weren’t white and male.

I’m attaching a history of U.S. intervention in Latin America which you can read if you are inclined to learn about our role in creating the instability there.

A Century of U.S. Intervention Created the Immigration Crisis

 

[section9+1]

Are people irrational? America the colossal bad guy with Jim Crow, sexism, Trump, capitalism, police brutality and all the associate evils and still people clamor to come here. You'd think this was the place above all they would try to avoid. The country everyone loves to criticize and everyone is desperate to join. Truth is what it is. Excuses won't change it.

 

[Sparagmos]

Are people irrational? America the colossal bad guy with Jim Crow, sexism, Trump, capitalism, police brutality and all the associate evils and still people clamor to come here. You'd think this was the place above all they would try to avoid. The country everyone loves to criticize and everyone is desperate to join. Truth is what it is. Excuses won't change it.

People from Latin America clamor to come here. So we’re better than Latin America and we are the closest place they can get to. Whoopdedoo!

 

[section9+1]

So if we are better than Latin America, why become Latin America?

 

[Albion]

It sounds like you want to go back to the time of Jim Crow laws and women being relegated to the home.

There shouldn't be a place in discussions like this one for using exaggerated and unfounded assumptions on the other guy in place of sound arguments.

No, reasoning that our country is not able to accommodate half of the population of the world that wants to come here to live does not mean that the other person favors gas chambers or a restoration of the Spanish Inquisition, either.

 

[Sparagmos]

No, reasoning that our country is not able to accommodate half of the population of the world that wants to come here to live does not mean that the other person favors gas chambers or a restoration of the Spanish Inquisition, either.

I’m not sure why you made that connection. I was responding to a poster who was referring to a time in the past when things were “better.” That was also the time when Jim Crow was in effect, and women did not have equal rights.

 

[Albion]

It sounds like you want to go back to the time of Jim Crow laws and women being relegated to the home.

I’m not sure why you made that connection. I was responding to a poster who was referring to a time in the past when things were “better.” That was also the time when Jim Crow was in effect, and women did not have equal rights.

I guess it is because the reply seems at the least to assume that he is indifferent to Jim Crow laws, etc. Every past era has its good and its bad aspects, and it is entirely possible to think that one age was or is preferable to another on balance.