Mass immigration's impact on public education

[Mountainmanbob]

It has gotten a lot worse since this article came out. My wife is an elementary school teacher.
M-Bob

The Elephant in the Classroom: Mass Immigration's Impact on Public Education | Federation for American Immigration Reform
Public school districts across the United States are suffering under a massive unfunded mandate imposed by the federal government: the requirement to educate millions of illegal aliens, the school age children of illegal aliens, refugees and legal immigrant students. FAIR estimates that it currently costs public schools $59.8 billion to serve this burgeoning population.

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59.8 billion every year and rising.
That would build the whole wall.
M-Bob

 

[Dr. D Bunker]

bye

 

[section9+1]

I am kind of scratching my head about the wall. I don't know. I just know that to let everyone in is going to break our backs. The quality of everything will deteriorate because the resources to sustain this influx are not available. I would love to tax the rich to hell and back. I don't think it can be done. It doesn't matter how good and desperate these people may be. They may all be wonderful humans. It doesn't solve the problem. Where will all this acceptance take us as a country? We say we cannot reject these people because as a country we are better than that. We are not better than that unless you think suicide is a virtue.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I am kind of scratching my head about the wall. I don't know. I just know that to let everyone in is going to break our backs. The quality of everything will deteriorate because the resources to sustain this influx are not available. I would love to tax the rich to hell and back. I don't think it can be done. It doesn't matter how good and desperate these people may be. They may all be wonderful humans. It doesn't solve the problem. Where will all this acceptance take us as a country? We say we cannot reject these people because as a country we are better than that. We are not better than that unless you think suicide is a virtue.

thank you. There are only so many resources.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

These would-be immigrants aren't dumb. They know that birthrates in the West are falling, making space for them. They don't see America as a place to come and assimilate, they see it as a place to bring their own culture and values and transplant them...in effect to take over (using sheer numbers of voters, as a former Latino school board president stated in my city. He cited 2050 as the date that Latinos would outnumber whites).

American history, as taught in our schools, is going to look a lot different.

 

[dogs4thewin]

These would-be immigrants aren't dumb. They know that birthrates in the West are falling, making space for them. They don't see America as a place to come and assimilate, they see it as a place to bring their own culture and values and transplant them...in effect to take over (using sheer numbers of voters, as a former Latino school board president stated in my city. He cited 2050 as the date that Latinos would outnumber whites).

American history, as taught in our schools, is going to look a lot different.

If they come here lawfully I have no issue. No matter which race they happen to be.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If they come here lawfully I have no issue. No matter which race they happen to be.

Me neither, if numbers are reasonably low. The purpose of minimal numbers is so that they assimilate, not form their own ethnic ghettos and retain their own failed culture. Too many Latinos and soon we will have Latino history being taught in our schools, replacing American history. African Americans already have little use for American history as we know it, preferring African history.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

They don't see America as a place to come and assimilate, they see it as a place to bring their own culture and values and transplant them...in effect to take over (using sheer numbers of voters, as a former Latino school board president stated in my city. He cited 2050 as the date that Latinos would outnumber whites).

American history, as taught in our schools, is going to look a lot different.

Happening in California way before 2050.

It's amazing these days so many don't see the writing on the wall?

Maybe they have a hatred for the Good Old USA as it used to be?

Or possibly they are even controlled by the other side?

M-Bob

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Happening in California way before 2050.

It's amazing these days so many don't see the writing on the wall?

Maybe they have a hatred for the Good Old USA as it used to be?

Or possibly they are even controlled by the other side?

M-Bob

It will take a while to take over Wisconsin, but they've got a good start.

 

[section9+1]

Happening in California way before 2050.

It's amazing these days so many don't see the writing on the wall?

Maybe they have a hatred for the Good Old USA as it used to be?

Or possibly they are even controlled by the other side?

M-Bob

The Good Old USA as it used to be or whatever remnant of that we are still hanging on to is the USA that everyone else is racing to get into. How long that will continue be what it is is a depressing thought. The very people and culture that made this a desirable country for everyone else is under attack. I can see Canada talking about a wall pretty soon.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

It will take a while to take over Wisconsin, but they've got a good start.

Truthfully I'm not overly concerned for myself or my wife but it's the grandkids I think about they will never know the United States as we knew it. And nobody can tell me that it was not great.

Make America great again or is it too late?

M-Bob

 

[section9+1]

Truthfully I'm not overly concerned for myself or my wife but it's the grandkids I think about they will never know the United States as we knew it. And nobody can tell me that it was not great.

Make America great again or is it too late?

M-Bob

It is likely too late. Everyone has a conflicting idea about what great is. Go back several decades and you will get an idea of the essence of America and its desirability. It certainly wasn't perfect, but a major change has taken place since then. People have found their voices and are using them. Perfectly understandable. Who wouldn't if given a chance? However, the essence or flavor of what American was, is dying. This desirability that once was is now being confused and polluted with new values and new virtues and is being called a step toward a new greatness that no longer resembles what once was. But what once was has been the foundation of our greatness. You do not build a better country by destroying its foundation. It's not an improvement that's happening, but a perversion. Blood will have to run in the streets to retrieve what once was and even then it will be so tainted with blood that it will be a poor shadow of greatness and even so, I doubt very many have the stomach for that.

 

[Sparagmos]

That doesn't include all the social ills and crime these people bring in with them. America feels sorry for immigrants, well, the liberal Democrats do anyway. They get the bulk of scholarships, and plenty of federal assistance, housing, food stamps, free medical, etc.

You think immigrants get “the bulk of scholarships?” Did you just make that up?

 

[Sparagmos]

I am kind of scratching my head about the wall. I don't know. I just know that to let everyone in is going to break our backs. The quality of everything will deteriorate because the resources to sustain this influx are not available. I would love to tax the rich to hell and back. I don't think it can be done. It doesn't matter how good and desperate these people may be. They may all be wonderful humans. It doesn't solve the problem. Where will all this acceptance take us as a country? We say we cannot reject these people because as a country we are better than that. We are not better than that unless you think suicide is a virtue.

The number of illegal immigrants crossing the border is down, not up. And no one is seriously proposing jyst “letting everyone in.”

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Truthfully I'm not overly concerned for myself or my wife but it's the grandkids I think about they will never know the United States as we knew it. And nobody can tell me that it was not great.

Make America great again or is it too late?

M-Bob

It's too late. We're circling the drain.

 

[Sparagmos]

These would-be immigrants aren't dumb. They know that birthrates in the West are falling, making space for them. They don't see America as a place to come and assimilate, they see it as a place to bring their own culture and values and transplant them...in effect to take over (using sheer numbers of voters, as a former Latino school board president stated in my city. He cited 2050 as the date that Latinos would outnumber whites).

American history, as taught in our schools, is going to look a lot different.

What exactly did the school board president say regarding taking over culturally? And how are Latin American “values” different? Honestly I was t aware we had a homogeneous set of values here, we are a huge country.

 

[com7fy8]

the United States as we knew it. And nobody can tell me that it was not great.

But has it been great enough to stay that way? Have the ways of the former America worked to keep people going that way? It looks like at least half the population now is not about living that way. So, the ways of that past culture have not succeeded in producing children of the same ways.

Why?

Possibly, some amount of the older ways were copy-cat, and the children did not find it worthwhile to keep on only conforming like their parents were for some reason satisfied to do. So, they broke away to do their own thing.

And ones have been fine with paying what we do for food and items made in China > while the workers for the food in the United States have not been taken care of and payed like a lot of us are, and in China the workers might be living away from families in labor residences.

If you arrange for all food to be handled by properly paid workers with proper benefits, and a fair amount to cover enjoyments like you have . . . and if you pay enough for foreign-made items so all Chinese workers benefit as much as you do for your work > how much will you be paying for food and items????

Practically, I would say they could put up a wall, and funnel workers through evaluation and send them where they can work while getting proper pay and benefits and comforts and conveniences > love them as ourselves, then.

You won't need to tax the rich, just pay the right price for the products of Chinese and Hispanic work. And maybe make sure what you pay does not only turn into profit for owners and stock holders. Of course, then ones likely will not invest, and where does the money come from, for starting businesses? non-profit stock holding??

sounds like we're heading to socialism of some sort with my ideas

Except, I am talking about loving others as myself, so I am pleased to pay what can bless others to have what I have.

But is there this love in every citizen? And can any law make people love any and all others as themselves?????

 

[Sparagmos]

It is likely too late. Everyone has a conflicting idea about what great is. Go back several decades and you will get an idea of the essence of America and its desirability. It certainly wasn't perfect, but a major change has taken place since then. People have found their voices and are using them. Perfectly understandable. Who wouldn't if given a chance? However, the essence or flavor of what American was, is dying. This desirability that once was is now being confused and polluted with new values and new virtues and is being called a step toward a new greatness that no longer resembles what once was. But what once was has been the foundation of our greatness. You do not build a better country by destroying its foundation. It's not an improvement that's happening, but a perversion. Blood will have to run in the streets to retrieve what once was and even then it will be so tainted with blood that it will be a poor shadow of greatness and even so, I doubt very many have the stomach for that.

In your view, what is tha nature of this foundation and what unique characteristics does/did it have?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What exactly did the school board president say regarding taking over culturally? And how are Latin American “values” different? Honestly I was t aware we had a homogeneous set of values here, we are a huge country.

That's fine if you want your own country within the country where you can speak your own language. But that's not what America is (or was) about. This guy wanted textbooks written in Spanish. In my own experience renting to Mexicans, the adults have no interest in learning English. They leave it up to their kids, who then act as translators for them. Worse yet one fellow, who rented from me for many years, attended English language classes every week, but never improved his English skills in all those years. Fortunately another long time tenant from Texas spoken very good English and acted as translator for many years. Her husband couldn't speak a word of English and had no desire to do so.

 

[section9+1]

In your view, what is tha nature of this foundation and what unique characteristics does/did it have?

You can look back at what once was as easily as I can. Only difference is you might not like what you see. But what you'd see is the root of our desirableness today. If we had been some other culture or people, we would be just another rat hole place that people would be doing their best to run away from. This is not about good people vs bad people. It's just the way it is and I even wish it wasn't. I would be very happy if other countries were desirable enough to hang onto their people so they could prosper and be blessed at home. But they're not. And America cannot fix that and I doubt if it can even manage to sustain itself in the face of it.