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Mashiach and Redemption

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Mashiach and Redemption / משיח וגאולה

According to the Jewish Scriptures the beginning of the Redemption had already begun from the day Adam and Hava (Eve) committed the first sin in this world. From that day on, the world has been in the preparatory stage for the beginning of the final Redemption. The beginnings of the geula (redemption) starts with the proclamation of G-d’s plan for Mashiach in this world (see Bereshit 3:15). According to Jewish tradition He is to come in two different stages, these are: Mashiach ben Yosef and Mashiach ben David, thus two types of Geula. This is to be understood as: Mashiach ben Yosef who will conquer the Esav force (the sin that separates us from G-d), as Yosef stood above negative physical desire (Remember also that Yosef started the beginning of such redemption at that time). But at the end Mashiach ben Yosef must sacrifice His life for the struggle, so that the final redemption will come through Emunah / belief in His work (See Yeshayahu 53).*

משיח בן יוסף - Mashiach Ben Yosef: The forerunner and harbinger of the final deliverer, the Messiah from the house of David, this is Mashiach ben David. Belief in the appearance of the Mashiach ben Yosef is derived from Scripture and tradition, just as Mashiach ben David, who is descended from Judah (Melech HaMashiach).*

משיח בן דוד - Mashiach Ben David: As for the second Geula, the Gaon of Vilna (1720-1797), along with other Jewish Teachers of the Bible, asserted that there will be great wars on both in the physical and metaphysical planes between the Jewish People and other nations, as well as internally between Israel and its inhabitants who are part of the Erev Rav (the "Mixed multitude"). Therefore Mashiach ben David, connected with the quality of Malchut (Royalty), will bring the final redemption, conquering the Lavan force (the Lavan force is that that tries to restrain the Kingdom of G-d, according to the Hagaddah, “Lavan wanted to uproot everything,” because he wanted to strike out at the mind, the seat of the soul). At the end Mashiach Ben David is less of a question, because He is the hero’s hero. Everyone can, and has conceived of Him.*

At the end Mashiach ben Yosef is the one who prepares the world for the physical culmination of the Redemption (by Emunah in Mashiach), the Kingdom of G-d on earth. "Yosef recognized his brothers, but they did not recognize him -- This is one of the traits of Yosef not only in his own generation, but in every generation, i.e., that Mashiach ben Yosef recognizes his brothers, but they do not recognize him. This is the work of Satan, who hides the characteristics of Mashiach ben Yosef so that the footsteps of the Mashiach are not recognized and are even belittled because of our many sins. Otherwise, our troubles would already have ended. Were Israel to recognize Yosef, that is, the footsteps of ben Yosef the Mashiach which is the ingathering of the exiles etc., then we would already have been redeemed with a complete redemption. (Kol Hator, Chapter 2, Aspect #39 by Rabbi Hillel Shklover)"*

In Jewish Theology Yosef is associated with the aspect of God known as Yesod (Foundation), Yesod follows Malchut (Kingdom). Indeed Mashiach Ben Yosef is the foundation of such end of the Geula (Redemption), which will bring the final redeemer who came once as Mashiach Ben Yosef, but now as Mashiach Ben David. Yeshua Melech HaMashiach, the Pierced one as per Zechariah 12:10.

Would you have Emuna in Him? Do you want Mashiach Now?*

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Shalom Karl (Mevaser)

I pray all is well with you and yours
I have seen similar posts on this subject here before, and I meant to ask; Are you saying that Yeshua is Mashiach Ben Yosef, as well as Ben David?Just different purposes When he came the first time, and when He returns etc...?

Shalom v' shalom
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Hey Mevaser,

thank you so much for sharing that
also, to add meaning to the sefirot that yo have shared
Yesod is also known as Ya'acob (Jacob) = Israel
and Maljut(kingdom [of G-D]) is known as the Oral Torah

and ILY
greetings to you and yours
it is my prayer and desire that as you are reading this that you and your loved ones are in good health, in Shalom, and prospering most copiously in all things; all thanks be to HaShem, most blessed is He!

well, I know that those are my thoughts
there is a Gemara with Hacham Yehoshua Levi
and he meets the messiah- and the messiah was in wrags and lived in Rome.
now- the gemara isnt to be taken literally...
it is an allegory
So the messiah in wrags"
why?
well, he is poor- doesnt have much fruit, but he has enough to cover himself- thus, means the converts to Judaism from amoungst those of ROME
rome- the outside world- the world outside of Israel- the gentiles.

This is the mission of Messiah
but the title is ben Yosef

then after this mission the Mission of Messiah will carry the title
Ben David

shalom u'brachot
 
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Shalom sojeru :wave:

How have you been doing?
greetings to you and yours
it is my prayer and desire that as you are reading this that you and your loved ones are in good health, in Shalom, and prospering most copiously in all things; all thanks be to HaShem, most blessed is He!

Let me toss back those kind words back to you.Open your arms and be ready to catch
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I used to go by ILJ when I first came to this site, and I certainly remember you, I also remember that you visited the exmuslim site I co-administer.

Good to see you posting. :clap:

L'Chaim B'Yeshua
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Hello ILY
yes, I knew that it was you and I remember you as well.
I hope that all is well with you and yours

I know I havent visited that site in a while
I have to restudy and looking for a way to bring them what i know
right now I have realized that they are very closed off people
black is white and that is it for them
 
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Shalom!sojeru, :hug:
Yes many of them are totally closed off even when confronted with cold hard facts. :(
Actually a couple of months after you posted we got hacked, and nearly all the old posts were deleted.Only the locked out ones remained.

The way they did it was they signed on with multiple usernames, one of this persons egos was pretending to be friend warning us of a site that had us on a list to hack us, and the guy pmed me the link.The other ego kept pming people inviting them to "a new site" and one of our mod's did so and used his same username and password, so the hacker got his email and went in as a mod. and erased alot of posts.
Fortunatley Khaled had locked some of the hackers threads, and saved the site with the hack threat etc...The ego that pretended to be our achi sent me the warning and I responded that I would pass it on to the FBI and Khaled happened to be on when the guy came on and checked his pm.Khaled watched as he panicked and deleted his email add's and dismanteld the hack threat site.

I think that scared some people from posting on our site.Now it's pretty docile over there.Muslims don't stick around long there, I would guess because we refute them pretty well, thanks to our exmuslims who know Arabic and can refute the lies.

Here's a couple of sites I find interesting
http://abrahamic-faith.com/
http://www.pakistan-culture.com/index.php

The AF site is run by a couple of exmuslims, and they co-authored the book that is on the front page there.The 2nd site is a brand new discussion form Simon started.They're both believing Zionists :clap: I don't know if you're familiar with Walid Shoebat, but I keep up with him a good bit.You can read some of the info. on the AF site or from here in the new subforums where P4I set up the media page and I posted info. there.

Oops, I am way off the topic of this thread :eek:
If need be staff feel free to move it.
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