Mary

[st. jerome]

Through my life i have come across protestants who insist that Roman Catholics worship Mary- this is false!!!! Luckily on this site many of the protestants are smarter than that. Roman Catholics only venerate her and honor her, rightly so.

The Hail Mary (catholic prayer) is scriptural
Hail Mary, full of grace, the lord is with you!- (Luke 1:28)

Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb-
(Luke 1:42)

Holy Mary- (Luke 1:30)

Mother of God- (Luke 1:43)

Pray for us sinners- as we christians pray for one another

Now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

So id like to hear some other suggestions on why protestants think it is so wrong to honor Mary when God honored her above all creatures by making her the mother of His Son. In honoring Mary, the Catholic Church is following the example of God Himself.

God Bless
st. jerome

 

[SolomonVII]

I think that it may have something to do with creating a spiritually that is based exclusively on a personal relationship between God and the individual. The Age of Enlightenment began regarding many of the practices and beliefs of the old church appearing as being superstitions and therefore suspect. The existence of saints and other-worldly phenomenon such as angels that could somehow intervene in our lives became increasingly regarded as the irrational beliefs of a darker age.

A simpler, sleeker message of salvation that did not require the Church was sought, and along with the Church, Mary no longer had much of a role to play in this new message.

 

[JimfromOhio]

In the Bible, Mary is Humble and obedient. Calls herself “the handmaid of the Lord.”

Mary was only the Mother of Jesus as man. The Incarnation means that Jesus was both fully God and fully man. Mary was only the mother of Jesus as man, and not the mother of Jesus as God. According to the Bible, the world was created through Jesus. This was long before Mary was born. Hebrews 1:1-2 says,

“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds”.

Colossians 1:16-17 says,

“For by him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all things [including Mary] were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things [including Mary] , and by him all things consist”.

Mary was also a normal wife and mother who had other children.

 

[st. jerome]

I think that it may have something to do with creating a spiritually that is based exclusively on a personal relationship between God and the individual. The Age of Enlightenment began regarding many of the practices and beliefs of the old church appearing as being superstitions and therefore suspect. The existence of saints and other-worldly phenomenon such as angels that could somehow intervene in our lives became increasingly regarded as the irrational beliefs of a darker age.

A simpler, sleeker message of salvation that did not require the Church was sought, and along with the Church, Mary no longer had much of a role to play in this new message.

Thats a good theory.

thanks

God bless

 

[st. jerome]

In the Bible, Mary is Humble and obedient. Calls herself “the handmaid of the Lord.”

Mary was only the Mother of Jesus as man. The Incarnation means that Jesus was both fully God and fully man. Mary was only the mother of Jesus as man, and not the mother of Jesus as God. According to the Bible, the world was created through Jesus. This was long before Mary was born. Hebrews 1:1-2 says,

“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds”.

Colossians 1:16-17 says,

“For by him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all things [including Mary] were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things [including Mary] , and by him all things consist”.

Mary was also a normal wife and mother who had other children.

Are you trying defend that Mary existed before God

We call Mary mother of God because she gave birth to Jesus who is God. We follow the spirit filled Elizabeth who declared (Luke 1:43)- "And why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord shall come to me?" Jesus is true God and true man: 2 natures in one undivided Person. By being the Mother of Jesus, Mary is also the Mother of God.

Mary did not give birth merely to a human nature, but to a person, the Son of God who took from her flesh a pure human nature.
(Luke 1:35)- "the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God."
(Gal 4:4)- "God sent forth His Son, born of woman."

If Jesus is truly God-made-man, then Mary is truly the Mother of God.
Obviously Mary did not exist before God. Jesus is the Son of God from all eternity, who became also the Son of Mary in time.

As to Mary having other children this is totally proposterous!!!!

God Bless

 

[Oblio]

Mary was only the Mother of Jesus as man. The Incarnation means that Jesus was both fully God and fully man. Mary was only the mother of Jesus as man, and not the mother of Jesus as God.

This is the heresy of Nestorianism. The Child that she bore and is the Mother of is God.

 

[Ave Maria]

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

 

[st. jerome]

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

God Bless you

 

[Ave Maria]

God Bless you

Thank you.

 

[JimfromOhio]

As to Mary having other children this is totally proposterous!!!!

I understand how catholic are feeling about this, as a non-catholic, I am only saying this (my belief) because Mary was married to Joseph and of these verses:

53When Jesus had finished these parables, he moved on from there. 54Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. "Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?" they asked. 55"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? 56Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?" 57And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor."

In the original text of the Gospel, we find the Greek word adelphos, meaning "brother," used. However, adelphos does not just mean blood brothers born of the same parents. Rather, adelphos was used to describe brothers not born of the same parents, like a half-brother.

Jesus' brothers and sisters were subsequent to Jesus' birth (see also Matt. 12: 47). I understand as a non-catholic, the main reason there is controversy over this matter is because of the doctrine of the perpetual virginity of Mary, a Catholic doctrine. I am only saying this why non-catholic do not believe as same as Catholic believe. This is my personal spiritual belief.

The fact that Jesus had brothers and sisters who were obviously the offspring of Mary and Joseph does not in any way take away from Jesus' identity. Jesus remains "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (Jn. 1: 29). He is truly the Son of God (Jn. 3: 16).

 

[Saint_George]

Mary was only the Mother of Jesus as man. The Incarnation means that Jesus was both fully God and fully man. Mary was only the mother of Jesus as man, and not the mother of Jesus as God.

Jesus = God
Jesus = Man
Jesus = Born of Mary

So then God and man were born of mary. Unless you don't think Jesus is god.

Saint_George

 

[Oblio]

The fact that Jesus had brothers and sisters who were obviously the offspring of Mary and Joseph does not in any way take away from Jesus' identity. Jesus remains "the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (Jn. 1: 29). He is truly the Son of God (Jn. 3: 16).

Nor does the fact that she didn't

I have always been perplexed as to why some Protestants are so up in arms over the Perpetual Virginity of Mary. I suppose it is due to the mistaken (Western) belief that it somehow leads credence to the RC doctrine of the Immaculate conception, or reinforces the Augustinian views regarding sex and somehow bolsters the view that she was sinless. Understand that neither of these are applicable in the Eastern Orthodox Church.

 

[<Follower>]

Well Ive NEVER said you worship her.

I have said that the commandment CLEARLY states NOT to make a IMAGE and BOW to it.
And I do believe you all do practice that.

Through my life i have come across protestants who insist that Roman Catholics worship Mary- this is false!!!! Luckily on this site many of the protestants are smarter than that. Roman Catholics only venerate her and honor her, rightly so.

The Hail Mary (catholic prayer) is scriptural
Hail Mary, full of grace, the lord is with you!- (Luke 1:28)

Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb-
(Luke 1:42)

Holy Mary- (Luke 1:30)

Mother of God- (Luke 1:43)

Pray for us sinners- as we christians pray for one another

Now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

So id like to hear some other suggestions on why protestants think it is so wrong to honor Mary when God honored her above all creatures by making her the mother of His Son. In honoring Mary, the Catholic Church is following the example of God Himself.

God Bless
st. jerome

 

[<Follower>]

As to Mary having other children this is totally proposterous!!!!

What is preposterous is trying to assert that the text can be used to show conclusively either way in the matter.

It doesnt say she had sex and more kids and it doesnt say she didnt.

If I were to follow the trail of implications tho, Id have to surely conclude that after Jesus was born she did perform her wifely duties.

 

[Oblio]

If I were to follow the trail of implications tho, Id have to surely conclude that after Jesus was born she did perform her wifely duties

The testimony of the Church is different from your personal conclusions, though I respect your right to have them.

 

[st. jerome]

Nor does the fact that she didn't

I have always been perplexed as to why some Protestants are so up in arms over the Perpetual Virginity of Mary. I suppose it is due to the mistaken (Western) belief that it somehow leads credence to the RC doctrine of the Immaculate conception, or reinforces the Augustinian views regarding sex and somehow bolsters the view that she was sinless. Understand that neither of these are applicable in the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Do you not beleive that Mary was sinless?

 

[<Follower>]

The testimony of the Church is different from your personal conclusions, though I respect your right to have them.

who cares tho?
There have always been false teachings. Right from the beginning.

The scripture is all that is to be trusted.

read my signature.

 

[<Follower>]

Do you not beleive that Mary was sinless?

I dont.
No reason she had to be, nor does the scripture state she was.

 

[katherine2001]

Jim, a mother is mother to all that her child is. She is not just the mother of the parts that came from her? Your mother isn't mother to every part of your body and all of your personality, even those parts of your body and your personality that came from your father?

Personally, I would have hoped that any child I had would have been a boy that looked like his father. I wouldn't have had to do any of the caring of the child. I could have told the father that those parts came from him and I wasn't the mother of those parts. However, it would be a pretty sad thing for the child, wouldn't it? It would be sad that if each part of a child's body or personality only had one parent because we are only parents of the parts of our children that come from us.

Nobody is the parent of just the parts of their children that come from them. Mary was mother to all of her child, including the parts that came from His father. She was mother to all of the incarnate Son of God, including His divine nature. She was mother to all of Jesus Christ, just as any mother is mother to all of what and who her children are.

 

[Axion]

Well Ive NEVER said you worship her.

I have said that the commandment CLEARLY states NOT to make a IMAGE and BOW to it.
And I do believe you all do practice that.

Then I believe you BOW to your pastors and pray to them.