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Remember as Christian we have to follow the Bible as our guide and nowhere in the Bible do they refer to Mary as such.
she is simply the mother of Jesus
and if read the Gospel one find out that she had other kids after Jesus.
How is she the Queen of heaven?
He got that right....and goes on to prove it with the comment below.
Absolutely non-Scriptural....Mary is not our advocate....this teaching is a pastiche of:-
Ephesians 3:11 This was in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12 in whom we have boldness and confident access through faith in Him.
Hebrews 10: 19 Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
1John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
The Queen Mother of Solomon was an advocate in times of need..and pl sought her out to go to the King.
JUST AS you seek out friends to pray on your behalf to Jesus, we seek out His Mother to pray for us and go to Her Son on our behalf.
calling Mary the queen of heaven is not Biblical.The Queen of Heaven is Pagan in origin and it is a result of Roman paganism into Christianity.There is only one mediator between God and man it is the man CHrist Jesus.1 timothy 2:5
calling Mary the queen of heaven is not Biblical.The Queen of Heaven is Pagan in origin and it is a result of Roman paganism into Christianity.There is only one mediator between God and man it is the man CHrist Jesus.1 timothy 2:5
Perhaps the brothers mentioned were Joseph's sons from a previous marriage. Perhaps they were cousins. (the greek supports this translation). Perhaps they were also sons of Mary. One cannot say for sure based on what is stated in Scripture.
The Bible does not say, specifically, that Mary gave birth to other children after giving birth to Christ.
Personally, I am undecided on this issue. I think it is possible that she had no other children, and also possible that she did have other children.
and if read the Gospel one find out that she had other kids after Jesus.
No, it doesn't say that anywhere.
Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all his sisters with us?" [Matt. 13:55-56; RSV]
(Douai-Rheims) Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joseph, and Jude, and Simon? are not also his sisters here with us? And they were scandalized in regard of him.
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The Woman, Israel woman in revelation = a church system (a bride)
1 A great sign appeared in heaven : a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars ; 2 and she was with child ; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.
The Red Dragon, Satan
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven : and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems. 4 And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.
The Male Child, Christ
5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron ; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days. please explain the
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13 And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. 14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 And the serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, so that he might cause her to be swept away with the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth. 17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
i think the woman they talk about may be representing Israel which gave birth to Christ and then the subsequent persecution of the church through the centuries, because in the later chapters they also talk about another woman the harlot of Babylon
Israel did give birth to Jesus after all he was a Jew
if that was referring to Mary, when did she spend 1260 days in the desert?
So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
you see brother the text say the rest of her children,if that was referring to Mary,how come you guys say she was a perpetual virgin,therefore its not Mary they talking about,the woman is a symbol for Israel/and the early church.
where do you get that from the bible? Abraham is the Father of Faith.nowhere in the Bible is Mary referred as such.this doctrine is Church tradition brother not from the Bible.
The term in Greek used means close relative. It could mean step brothers and sisters or COUSINS.
There are a few things, to which makes no sense in taking it literally... such as when Mary is standing beside her sister Mary.. ?
No, they were most likely sister in laws.
As such Mary of Alpheus was a SIL.
Mary of Alphues was the mother of James who was called the brother of Jesus and so on...
Cousins was most likely how the Greek term was used and not siblings.
Mary was an only child, and her mother was Ann who conceived in old age. We know this through Tradition of course. Tradition helps us comprehend the understandings of scriptures.
That aside....the fact Mary stood by her sister Mary makes no sense if we suppose her mother decided to name both daughters Mary?
I think not.
And i know not...being Mary the Mother of our Lord did not have siblings.
Several things...
First... if Adolphos means other than blood sibling (which it can) in this verse, why is it that the Catholic translators did not clarify upon translation the true meaning and intent as to which they think the word was used.... IE used the word kin or cousins in their translation?
second... The writings in the NT that talk of JEsus' brothers AND sisters was ORIGINALLY written in Greek and the Greek does have a word for cousin... if that is what the NT writers intent was (that these brothers and sisters where actual cousins) they would have written these words
female cousin = ξαδέλφη (ksaTHElfee - th like in the word the)
male cousin = ξάδελφος (KSAthelfos - th like in the word the)
cousins = ξαδέλφια (ksaTHElfia - th like in the word the)
As evidenced by other scriptures that are correctly translated from the original that means exactly what it says... cousin.
My fellow prisoner Aristarchus sends you his greetings, as does Mark, the cousin of Barnabas. (You have received instructions about him; if he comes to you, welcome him.)
The word Adolphos was NOT used. God knows what he is doing and what he wishes to reveal without ambiguity.
And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
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And her neighbours and her cousins heard how the Lord had shewed great mercy upon her; and they rejoiced with her.
Thirdly... if the Catholic Church wishes to LOOK consistent... they must maintain that Mary, Martha as well as Lazarus were not brothers and sisters either as their parents are not mentioned in the context AT ALL and the same word, adolphos is used.... the same being with several of the apostles such as, Simon and Andrew, James and John, etc.
.=justinangel;58099533]In the commentaries of Catholic Bibles it is noted that "brother" and "sister" do not necessarily refer to siblings in ancient semitic usage
They spoke greek. If God meant cousin or kin by using the word adalpho, the proper translation into another language would be cousin or kin in latin and later other languages as to not be ambiguous... but they didn't... HS moment perhaps?Translators like Jerome kept these words that were originally spoken by the Jews in the New Testament.
Proof please.Catholics had indisputably known by then that Mary remained a virgin,
Of course there is ALWAYS a reason to be clear.so there was no reason to clarify anything.
We understand the traditional Catholic position. We don't need to seek their counsel again.. we are disputing it!In response to Protestant objections in modern time, commentaries are needed to reaffirm the traditional Catholic positions on many matters of faith.
They spoke Aramaic and it was written in greek. You have no point.The authors of the gospels who wrote their texts in Greek decided not to incorporate the Greek word for cousin in the voice of the speakers who were not Greek, but Jewish. Mark cites Jews who ask: "Is he not the brother (ach) of James and Joses, and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters (achoth) here with us?" (6:3).
This is regardless... they WROTE in greek and KNEW that there IS a word for cousin and would have used it if that is the truth.In Hebrew and Aramaic there is no word for "cousin", so these Jews would have used the words "brother" and "sister" instead.
If they were cousins, they would have written cousins. This is not rocket science.Mark preserves the original idiomatic forms of expression that were in usage among the Jews in his gospel.
Yea no kidding... because he was being clear. Goes to show that the writers of Jesus brothers and sisters would have been clear as well.Naturally when Paul addressed the Greek speaking Colossians he would have used the Greek word for cousin. He wouldn't have if he wrote this letter in Hebrew or Aramaic to the Jewish community in Palestine (cf. Col 4:10).
So?Finally, when the angel Gabriel spoke to Mary at the Annunciation, he would have used her mother language, Aramaic, which has no word for cousin.
So?Luke apparently wrote his gospel in the Greek, but Mary was not Greek.
LOL.... why not translated as sister... after all, it has more than one meaning. You still have yet to make your point. To be consistant with the Jewish idioms that you are expousing.... it would have been written the word adalphasSo we read with more accuracy in the New American (Catholic) Bible: "And behold, Elizabeth, your relative (cousin) has also conceived a son in her old age." (1:36).
And further proving my point! When it was TRANSLATED into GREEK... the word cousin or relative was used instead of the ambiguous word adalphos or adalphas.The New King James Version of the Protestant Bible also has the word "relative" in this verse, whereas the KJV has "cousin", which the angel could not have used when speaking to Mary in Aramaic.
So you don't think these apostles were actual brothers?These people were definitely followers of Jesus, so adolphos can be used. Paul called his fellow Christians "brothers" and "sisters".
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