Marriage, Divorce, & Remarriage (2)

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In the modern church today, there is far too much emphasis on getting married.
Heres what Paul says on the matter....

"It is good for a man not to touch a woman. (2) Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

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" I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. (9) But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.


Apparently there was just as much emphasis on getting married 2000 years ago. Some teachings seem to dismiss that fact...
 
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I can't find my post on this thread, though I was sure I posted it. But one more repost:


The Bible says in Matthew 5:32 (KJV), “But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery; and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced commiteth adultery.” The passage “Except for the cause of fornication”, is often misinterpreted that divorce is acceptable if the spouse has had sex with someone other than the one that they are married to after the marriage has taken place. But this passage here is in reference to Deuteronomy 22:13-21, which states what a man may do if he discovers his wife is not a virgin after they are married. Sex before marriage is fornication. One cannot fornicate after marriage, because then it is called adultery. Biblically, one cannot divorce someone because the spouse has cheated on them and committed adultery. The Bible means only if the man was deceived about his wife’s virginity, before entering the marriage. On this ground, and this ground only, can someone get divorced and remarried.

What about "inappropriate contentea"?

Some say that use of the word inappropriate contentea includes adultery since the word is used for general sexually immorality, and that Christ permits divorce if adultery has been commited. But Christ makes a distinction, and uses the word "moicheia" for adultery. If Christ permited divorce for all things, including adultery, he wouldn't have made a distinction and used seperate words. "Except for fornication (inappropriate contentea), causes his wife to commit adultery "moicheia". Thus, Christ wasn't permitting divorce for adultery, especially since doing so is counter-intuitive to Christ's preaching of forgiveness to our brothers, which of course extends to our spouses.
There are many pastors and church leaders who are divorced for reasons other than stated in Deuteronomy 22:13. As stated before, the rate of divorce in the Church is over 50% and higher than that of non-Christian or secular people. Therefore, many preachers preach ways around this clear teaching of the Bible.

Jesus was asked in Matthew 19:3 (NKJV), “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?” Jesus answered them in verse 4 saying, “Have you not read that He who made them in the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘for this reason shall a man leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife that the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no man separate.” Then the Pharisees asked Jesus as to why Moses permitted divorce. Jesus answered in verse 8, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.” Jesus goes on in verse 9, “And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality (before marriage), and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

Modern preaching has gone so far as to say that there are processes by which a divorced person can get remarried. “Remedies”, such as praying to be delivered from the former spouse or asking God to “bring the right one this time”, and many others have been offered. This is clearly against the Bible. There is no way around this teaching. Many preachers, however, including some who are very famous and can be found on television speaking to crowds of thousands, preach ways around this clear doctrine of the Bible. Because so many Christian people are divorced, this new type of doctrine is very popular. It is sad to say that many Christians do not respect the institution of marriage enough to not get divorced the first time.


But What If your spouse divorces you?

The question has been asked, “But what if your spouse divorces you, even if you want to keep the marriage together?” Or “Is it fair that if you did everything right as a husband or wife the first time and your spouse divorces you, that you can never get married again?” Jesus’ disciples also thought that this was a tough thing to swallow. They said in Matt 19:10, “If this is the case with a man and his wife, it is better not to marry.”(NKJV)

What About God’s grace?

Some people take the position that because God is merciful and abounding in grace and love, that God would “okay” a marriage of divorced people because he is forgiving and gracious. This is totally false. Paul addresses this exact issue in Romans 6:1-3; “Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?” (NKJV) Anyone who remarries while the first spouse is alive lives in adultery. This is not at all in reference to those divorced and remarried before being saved by Christ, their sins are forgiven. Paul is speaking about those who know the law and intentionally break it, and then try to justify themselves with the fact that God is gracious. God is a God of grace. But this has been twisted in order to suit the desires of people.

Paul had a thorn in his flesh in 2Corinthians 12. He said that he prayed three times for God to remove it, but God said, “My grace is sufficient for you, my power is made perfect in weakness.” God is a God of grace. But his grace is not so that sin may abound. It is a struggle for divorced people to remain unmarried or to wait to be reunited with their spouse. God’s grace will not permit you to break a law because it is convenient, but God’s grace is sufficient for you to deal with your thorn in your flesh, weather that thorn is lust, loneliness, or whatever you need to overcome. This is what is meant by God is a God of grace.


Isn’t This Being Legalistic?

Some preachers may say that obeying this teaching is living by the letter of the law, and therefore legalistic. There are Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are pillars of Biblical doctrine, and no one can say that it is just simple legality to follow these commandments. It is not legalistic to not kill, or worship God only, and it is not legalistic to not commit adultery. Yet that is what divorced people who marry another are doing—committing adultery.

This is what dying to flesh is all about. Many people would clap in church services, or voice their “Amen’s” at the concept of dying to flesh as long as it is in reference to not watching R rated movies, or swearing in traffic. The truth is, whoever will not die to his or her own desires, will not hold up if that person’s life is put on the line for the Gospel.

The only way for a person to remarry after being divorced is if the husband or wife dies. Then, as Paul says in Romans 7:2-4, the divorced person is free from the law of marriage and can marry another.

What Then, Is A Divorced Person To Do?
First and foremost, someone going through a divorce should be praying for reconciliation and restoration of their marriage. Even if there has been many years since the marriage broke up, as long as that person’s spouse has not remarried, a restored marriage should be the goal in a divorced person’s life not remarriage. Cases of people who are divorced, especially of those who are young with their whole lives ahead of them, are indeed heart wrenching. The pain involved in divorce is probably one of the reasons why the Bible says, “God hates divorce”(Malachi 2:16). I encourage all to have compassion on divorced people, and to flood them with prayers and support.

In the modern church today, there is far too much emphasis on getting married. Paul said in 1Corinthinthians 7:28, “But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.” 1Corinthians 7:27: “Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife.” Paul goes on in verse 29, “What I mean brothers, is that the time is short. From now on, those who have wives should live as though they had none.”

With the state of the world as it is, and with the ever nearing arrival of our Lord and Savior speeding towards us, we should set our minds on what is most important, and what is lasting. Many are dying, even as this is being typed, even as you are reading this, and many are going to hell. Let’s put things in perspective. When you consider an eternal hell against a temporary marriage, the latter seems much less important, and the former gravely serious. I suggest more preaching needs to be taught on 1Cor 7, and to those who need help, to meditate on 1Cor 7:27-29. And may God bless and strengthen those who read it.

Excellent post, Shinbits! :thumbsup:
 
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Excellent post, Shinbits! :thumbsup:
What about this one? ;)

The "cannot put asunder" error
By WmTipton

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Here we will show that not only can one put asunder a marriage (that its possible), but Paul even gives instruction to do just that in certain cases.

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There is an errant teaching out there that claims that when Jesus said 'let not man put asunder' regarding marriage, that He 'meant' man CANNOT put asunder.


L: “When God joins two together, they are now ONE. What GOD joins, man CANNOT separate”

What we will show briefly in this article that there IS an occurance in scripture where it is shown absolutely that man can indeed 'put asunder' what God has joined together.

See 'put asunder' in each of these passages?
The word is (G5563)chorizo and it only appears a few times in scripture.
Jesus' words were rendered as such here in these two passages regarding marriage ...

(Mat 19:6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder(G5563).

(Mar 10:9) What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder(G5563).

That word 'put asunder' is the EXACT same word for "depart" in 1 cor 7:11

(1Co 7:11) But and if she depart(G5563), let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

...in other words, Paul has just said this woman has done the exact thing that some claim that Jesus said men CANNOT do....'put asunder'.

Notice Paul makes no claim that she 'cannot' put asunder (depart), but clearly presents that IF she DOES do so, then this is the situation....she is to remain "agamos" (literally "UNmarried").
*IF* putting asunder were IMPOSSIBLE for man to do...then why doesnt Paul REstate (*IF* that were Jesus actual meaning) this fact ?
WHY does he simply say *IF* she puts asunder then ...... ?
*IF* no man can put asunder, then Paul makes absolutely no sense here whatsoever. He should have simply stated that it was impossible to do so.
The word in question pretty much just means to "place room between", "depart" or to "separate"...its not some magical phrase that Jesus used to make a marriage bond unbreakable...

What I find striking is that Paul could have used a number of other choices in demonstrating that this woman had left her husband...but chose the one word that was used in rendering Jesus' words about putting asunder.
Was it coincedence or intentional? Was Paul literally reaching out and using the one word that would make it clear that putting asunder IS indeed possible?
We wont know until that day, for sure...but we do know now that regardless of what some say, that Paul has shown that man CAN 'put asunder'....that is factual.
Certainly a call to reconcile is made to the believers...but this doesnt negate what is clearly presented in Gods word....man CAN indeed put asunder (separate) by Pauls own words.

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Now that its been established that man can indeed ‘put asunder’ (chorizo) a marriage, we move on to something even more astounding. Clear instruction for the believer to actually allow the unbelieving spouse to ‘put asunder’ the marriage.

Heres a very remarkable passage that blows L’s statement above, that man CANNOT separate right out of the water. And not only that, it is our very own Paul giving INSTRUCTION for this believer to let it be so.

1Co 7:15 KJV But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Remember “chorizo”G5563 our word from above ? Can you guess what greek word ‘depart’ there is rendered from ?
You got it...the very same ‘chorizo’ (put asunder from Jesus’ statement ‘let not man put asunder”) is right there in Paul own instruction to let the unbeliever do.

So we not only see absolute proof that man CAN put asunder a marriage, but we now have Paul even telling the believer to let the unbeliever do so !
This hardly sounds like a ‘cannot’ situation to me.

Now, of course this is not our Lords desire for marriage that it would ever have to be ended, but clearly He had enought forsight to show Paul to let the believer do EXACTLY what He Himself had told man not to do.

Why?
Because Jesus knows that no matter what we do as believers, there will always be unbelieving spouses who will not honor the covenant of marriage.
So much for not being able to 'put asunder' a marriage
But my guess is that some will simply ignore the clear facts and what is plainly concluded from this and instead keep up these mantra's 'let not man put asunder' and "God hates divorce" ;)

its ok tho, my goal isnt to change the minds of you folks, but to show the readers that your doctrines do not actually account for the information as a whole, but is nothing more that we see from Hypercalvinists who use a few passages to try to express an extreme and unbiblical view of Gods Sovereignty.
These doctrines you all preach are exactly the same. By pushing a few pet passages such as 'Let not man put asunder' while ignoring what Paul CLEARLY states above, nothing more than a half truth is being presented that isnt even a half truth since it fails to present the facts from the whole.

I read somewhere that most all false doctrines are based on at least 90-95% of biblical truths....its that other few percent that kills....souls and in this case marriages.
 
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Excellent post, Shinbits! :thumbsup:
Agree completely!
Shinbits said:
Isn’t This Being Legalistic?

Some preachers may say that obeying this teaching is living by the letter of the law, and therefore legalistic. There are Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are pillars of Biblical doctrine, and no one can say that it is just simple legality to follow these commandments. It is not legalistic to not kill, or worship God only, and it is not legalistic to not commit adultery. Yet that is what divorced people who marry another are doing—committing adultery.

This is what dying to flesh is all about. Many people would clap in church services, or voice their “Amen’s” at the concept of dying to flesh as long as it is in reference to not watching R rated movies, or swearing in traffic. The truth is, whoever will not die to his or her own desires, will not hold up if that person’s life is put on the line for the Gospel.

The first three chapters of Romans are great for establishing this truth... we live in obedience, from faith to faith.

Again, excellent post, Shinbits!
 
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Agree completely!


The first three chapters of Romans are great for establishing this truth... we live in obedience, from faith to faith.

Again, excellent post, Shinbits!
Actually, I find that ALL of Gods word is great for establishing truth.

Would you care to discuss the truth of these CLEAR and ABSOLUTE passages that have NO exceptions given in the NT ? :)

(Mat 5:42 KJV) Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

(Luk 6:30 KJV) Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
Do you apply these words of yours to those two verses?
"we live in obedience"

Ill wait for a response before I ask a couple more questions
 
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Hey everyone, just a note to share with you my joy in finding out this week that my book, "God Is A Divorce' Too! A Message of Hope, Healing, and Forgiveness" is a required text in the Family Law class at the Regent University School of Law. I was actually attending a seminar at Regent when one of the law students recognized me from my picture on the back of his text, my book. He mentioned my book was a required text for his class and I subsequently confirmed it with the Regent bookstore.

This surprised me, but it does make sence considering I believe that the bible evidences that MDR is under limited civil authority as established by God and not under ecclesial authority. Of course, I've shared this and much more on previous posts in this thread. For a record of all the posts I've written for this thread you can see the first post on this thread.

May the Lord bless and keep you,
Sherman
 
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Cool Sherm :thumbsup:

On a smaller scale, of course, I understand the honor in that I found out that our studies on the site are actually being used to teach about the marriage covenant in a few churches.
One pastor I talked to said 'thanks for doing all the work for me" :)

Its kind of neat to see that the effort you put into something is being used and of benefit others :)
 
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I contacted the professor that required my book, "God Is A Divorce' Too!" as one of two texts for his class on "Family Law" for the Law School at Regent University. I asked him why he chose my book. He replied that he's a Messianic Jew and appriciated my take on the Mosaic Law and civil authority. He also thought it would be a good book to open the discussion of divorce among Christians. I was very encouraged by his reply. Thanks for your encouragement too.

Blessings,
Sherman

P.S. Most of what I share in my book is shared in a condensed version in my posts on this thread. Most of the key points were made on the first section of this thread; the link to which is on the first post on this 2nd section.
 
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