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I'm looking for some advice and/or articles on the role and relationship of a man and wife in a marriage from an Orthodox perspective. My wife, in recent months, has repeatedly characterized marriage(ours in particular) as being a "Team". I can't identify exactly why but referring to a married couple as a team really rubs me the wrong way especially given Ephesians 5:21 "Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives be subject to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the Church, His body, and is himself its savior."
I would really value your opinions, exegesis of this verse or reference to any articles on the topic.
Thank you in advance!
 

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If you don't like marriage being illustrated as a team, you must really not like Jesus illustration of it as being "one flesh". Mark 10:8.
 
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If you don't like marriage being illustrated as a team, you must really not like Jesus illustration of it as being "one flesh". Mark 10:8.
I'm sorry to say I have never in 21 years felt us to be one flesh unfortunately. I think what bothers me is that she uses the Team term when it suits he purpose.
 
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Saying that Scripture teaches that we aren't a team doesn't sit well with me. Yes, my husband is the head - and I submit to him, but we are still a team. We both put each other before our own needs.

Consider a team at work: Are you a part of a team if you are the lead of the team? Certainly. Do you work towards collaborating as a team, and through your leadership, also help the team grow and be able to make good decisions themselves as well? Of course.

This is my experience as a team lead at work. Perhaps each team is different, but teams that work well together tend to have similar dynamics.

St. John Chrysostom had several homilies on marriage. One is much more well known than the others. I find them to be very helpful, especially when viewed together.


And another section:

 
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Thank you
 
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In all seriousness, words have identity and the identity, unlike our doctrine, changes.

I feel the word "team" has sterile, corporate, superficial connotation nowadays. Maybe that is part of what you can't accept?
 
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In all seriousness, words have identity and the identity, unlike our doctrine, changes.

I feel the word "team" has sterile, corporate, superficial connotation nowadays. Maybe that is part of what you can't accept?

Jesus and Paul used the team concept when speaking of being "yoked" together.
 
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In all seriousness, words have identity and the identity, unlike our doctrine, changes.

I feel the word "team" has sterile, corporate, superficial connotation nowadays. Maybe that is part of what you can't accept?
Perhaps that depends on the particular area someone is in? Teamwork to me has always been a common term to just mean working together. That said, I certainly see the corporate connotation if someone views it in that way.

It’s kind of like the word “submit”. Submitting doesn’t mean that we have a dictatorship in marriage (see the quote above for context). Even so, sometimes people hear that terminology and think of it that way, especially considering some interpretations in today’s culture.
 
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In all seriousness, words have identity and the identity, unlike our doctrine, changes.

I feel the word "team" has sterile, corporate, superficial connotation nowadays. Maybe that is part of what you can't accept?
Andrei,
My friend I think you may have hit it on the head. Marriage is ordained by God, a holy thing, a holy commitment. On the other hand the word “team” can and is applied to horses, a team of horses. I think that is it. My own thoughts here - it is yet another institute of our Holy God that has been degraded and belittled to the point of being a common thing, a term that can be applied to anything.
Thank you Andrei and may God continue to give you insight and support to the Church.
 
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Thank you Laura. I think you and Andrei have nailed it! It’s the idea of something that is God ordained being referred to with a common term that I can’t handle.
 
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