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mark them which cause divisions and offences

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A good reminder.

(Emphasis added.)

Romans 16:16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you. 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. 19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil. 20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

William MacDonald, Believer’s Bible Commentary: v18 These false teachers are not obedient to our Lord Jesus Christ. They obey their own appetites. And they are all too successful in hoodwinking the unsuspecting by their winsome and flattering speech. v19 Paul was glad that his readers’ obedience to the Lord was well known. But still he wanted them to be able to discern and obey good teaching and to be unresponsive to evil. v20 In this way, the God who is the source of peace would give them a swift victory over Satan.

Martin & Richards, The Book of Romans: the Smart Guide to the Bible:Paul had a good eye. He had worshiped Jesus so long that he had gained wisdom. As a church planter, he had the heart and gifts of a pastor and teacher. Beyond the obvious expression of love and appriceciation, Paul is rightly concerned for the believers’ protection from false teachers who introduce division and pollute biblical teaching on the grace of God.
The apostle never loses sight of the fact that believers are engaged in spiritual warfare. In other epistles, he gives instructions on how to prepare for battle. In Romans 16, Paul is simply sounding the alarm and reminding these servants to be on the alert, not to tolerate anything that pollutes the faith. Martin & Richards, The Book of Romans: the Smart Guide to the Bible

Gill’s Commentary:

The apostle being about to finish his epistle, and recollecting that he had not given this church any instructions about the false teachers, who had been the cause of all their differences and uneasiness, inserts them here; or he purposely put them in this place, amidst his salutations, that they might be taken the more notice of; and very pertinently, since nothing could more express his great affection and tender concern for them; and these instructions he delivers to them, not in an authoritative way, as he might, and sometimes did, but by way of entreaty, beseeching them, and with the kind and loving appellation of brethren, the more to engage them to attend to what he was about to say to them:

The men he would have taken notice of were such who divided them in their religious sentiments, introducing heterodox notions, contrary to the doctrine of the Scriptures, of Christ and his apostles, and which they had learned from them; such as justification by the works of the law, the observance of Jewish days, and abstinence from meats, enjoined by the ceremonial law, and that as necessary to salvation; to which some gave heed, and others not, and so were divided; whereas the doctrine of faith is but one, the Gospel is one uniform thing, all of a piece; and those that profess it ought to be perfectly joined together in the same mind, and in the same judgment: hence their minds were alienated from each other, and they began to despise and judge one another, yea, to go into factions and parties, being unwilling to receive and admit each other to communion; and thus by these men they were divided in sentiments, affection, and worship; and which must needs cause offence to the church and the godly members of it, as well as cause many so to be offended, as to stumble and fall from the doctrine of faith, and profession of it, and greatly stagger and distress weak believers, and bring a scandal on religion, and the name and ways of Christ among the world, as nothing does more so than the jars and discords among Christians: wherefore the apostle advises to "mark" such persons, look out for, narrowly watch, strictly observe, and diligently examine them: the metaphor is taken from watchmen, who look out from their watch tower, and observe who are coming, or pass by, and take up suspicious persons, and carefully inquire who they are, and what they are about, and whether friends or foes. So both ministers of the Gospel, and members of churches, should not be asleep, which is the opportunity false teachers take to sow the seeds of false doctrine, discord, and contention, but should watch, and be upon their guard, and look diligently, that none among them fail of, or fall from, the doctrine of grace, or any root of bitterness, error, or heresy as well as immorality, spring up, which may be troublesome, and defile others; they should observe, and take notice of such who are busy to spread false doctrine, should watch their motions, follow them closely, take them to an account, examine their principles according to the word of God; and if found to be contrary thereunto, note them as false teachers:

shun their ministry, drop attendance on it, depart far from them, have no private conversation with them, receive them not into their houses, nor bid them God speed; with such do not eat, have no communion with them at the Lord's table, withdraw from them as disorderly persons, who act contrary to the doctrine and order of the Gospel, and after proper admonition reject them from all fellowship with you.

Henry’s Commentary:

Those who burden the church with dividing and offending impositions, who uphold and enforce those impositions, who introduce and propagate dividing and offending notions, which are erroneous or justly suspected, who out of pride, ambition, affectation of novelty, or the like, causelessly separate from their brethren, and by perverse disputes, censures, and evil surmisings, alienate the affections of Christians one from another-these cause divisions and offences, contrary to, or different from (for that also is implied, it is para ten didachen ), the doctrine which we have learned. Whatever varies from the form of sound doctrine which we have in the scriptures opens a door to divisions and offences.

If truth be once deserted, unity and peace will not last long.

Now, mark those that thus cause divisions, skopein.

Observe them, the method they take, the end they drive at.

There is need of a piercing watchful eye to discern the danger we are in from such people; for commonly the pretences are plausible, when the projects are very pernicious. Do not look only at the divisions and offences, but run up those streams to the fountain, and mark those that cause them, and especially that in them which causes these divisions and offences, those lusts on each side whence come these wars and fightings. A danger discovered is half prevented. 2. To shun it: "Avoid them. Shun all necessary communion and communication with them, lest you be leavened and infected by them. Do not strike in with any dividing interests, nor embrace any of those principles or practices which are destructive to Christian love and charity, or to the truth which is according to godliness.—Their word will eat as doth a canker.’’ Some think he especially warns them to take heed of the judaizing teachers, who, under convert of the Christian name, kept up the Mosaical ceremonies, and preached the necessity of them, who were industrious in all places to draw disciples after them, and whom Paul in most of his epistles cautions the churches to take heed of.II. The reasons to enforce this caution.1. Because of the pernicious policy of these seducers, v. 18. The worse they are, the more need we have to watch against them.

Now observe his description of them, in two things:

(1.) The master they serve: not our Lord Jesus Christ. Though they call themselves Christians, they do not serve Christ; do not aim at his glory, promote his interest, nor do his will, whatever they pretend. How many are there who call Christ Master and Lord, that are far from serving him! But they serve their own belly —their carnal, sensual, secular interests. It is some base lust or other that they are pleasing; pride, ambition, covetousness, luxury, lasciviousness, these are the designs which they are really carrying on. Their God is their belly, Phil. 3:19 . What a base master do they serve, and how unworthy to come in competition with Christ, that serve their own bellies, that make gain their godliness, and the gratifying of a sensual appetite the very scope and business of their lives, to which all other purposes and designs must truckle and be made subservient.

(2.) The method they take to compass their design: By good words and fair speeches they deceive the hearts of the simple. Their words and speeches have a show of holiness and zeal for God (it is an easy thing to be godly from the teeth outward), and show of kindness and love to those into whom they instil their corrupt doctrines, accosting them courteously when they intend them the greatest mischief. Thus by good words and fair speeches the serpent beguiled Eve. Observe, They corrupt their heads by deceiving their hearts, pervert their judgments by slyly insinuating themselves into their affections. We have a great need therefore to keep our hearts with all diligence, especially when seducing spirits are abroad.
 

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This is hard advice to follow in any principled way. Most people believe that anyone who disagrees with them is causing division, but seldom consider that they might be. So in practice it becomes just another way to attack people you disagree with.
 
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This is hard advice to follow in any principled way. Most people believe that anyone who disagrees with them is causing division, but seldom consider that they might be. So in practice it becomes just another way to attack people you disagree with.

Agreed.
 
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Gord, hedrick...are you suggesting we just ignore this scriptural advice because it is 'hard advice to follow?' I would agree that following the Lord's commands but deny we should ignore our responsibilities. I included commentary, both old and new to help in our understanding of biblical separation.

The Bible warns Christians in plain language to avoid those who cause division through false teaching.
 
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I think Hedrick was meaning how can anyone be sure they are not the ones with the false teaching.

gord, how do you know what you know is real and not make believe? :)
 
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This is hard advice to follow in any principled way. Most people believe that anyone who disagrees with them is causing division, but seldom consider that they might be. So in practice it becomes just another way to attack people you disagree with.

hedrick, what is the purpose of Paul's warning if it is useless and impossible?

John MacArthur:
He identifies false teachers as those who teach false doctrine and create division. And that's what a false teacher does. He teaches something different than the truth and creates a division...brings schism, division, discord, conflict, stumbling blocks into the church. The divisions, the schisms, the offenses would be the stumbling block, the skandalizo, the trap. And this is because they bring in another gospel. John Calvin said, quote: "Men are distracted from the unity of the truth when the truth of God is destroyed by doctrines of human invention." And false teachers inevitably come with human teaching, doctrines of human invention...sometimes very close to the truth, sometimes taking part of the truth and thus being very subtle. But they bring division and they bring offense, trapping people, causing them to stumble, and fracturing the purity of the church.
Love for the Saints, Part 2

Example:

In SR we hold, at the very least, to Reformed soteriology defined by the Reformed Confessions of Faith (Westminster, Savoy, London Baptist, etc.) To introduce a teaching that is contrary to the confessional view, for example N.T. Wright's views on justification, only causes division, discord and conflict. Another example would be the ignorance (willful or otherwise) of the historical meaning of words like 'Reformed' by allowing them to be used outside of their original meaning (Reformed Baptist, referring to Wright as Reformed, etc.) Words have meaning and we should watch those who play a shell game with them.

hedrick is denying our confessional heritage, a heritage that believers in SR have and hold in common, by which we may judge. For Reformed Christians and by extension Particular Baptists we have much in common and lean heavily on these old confession in the face of liberalism.

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PS: I would not say anyone who holds to the Reformed Confessions, paedo or credo, Congregational, Baptist or Presbyterian, is causing division or strife when they create polemic for their particular confessional distinctive. Nor do I consider them false teachers.

The Reformed Christian and by extension the Particular Baptist have plenty to agree upon.

A Tabular Comparison of the 1646 Westminster Confession of Faith,
the 1658 Savoy Declaration of Faith,
the 1677/1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith
and the 1742 Philadelpha Confession of Faith


Benajah Harvey Carroll:


“The modern cry: ‘Less creed and more liberty,’ is a degeneration from the vertebrate to the jellyfish, and means less unity and less morality, and it means more heresy. Definitive truth does not create heresy it only exposes and corrects. Shut off the creed and the Christian world would fill up with heresy unsuspected and uncorrected, but none the less deadly.”
An Interpretation of the English Bible, Ephesians 4.


Rev. Ronald Hanko:


"Strictly speaking, Scripture is not doctrine (the systematic exposition of the truths of Scripture in their relation to one another). This is implied in II Timothy 3:16 in that Scripture is said to be profitable for doctrine. And we should notice, too, that doctrine is the first thing that Scripture is profitable for.


Creeds are doctrine.


They take all the passages of Scripture regarding a certain teaching and put them together into a statement of that doctrine and then show also how that doctrine relates to others. They are, doctrinally, a “setting in order of those things which are most surely believed among us” (Lk. 1:1).Now it ought to be evident to everyone that a good part of the opposition to creeds is rooted in the fact that doctrine is very unpopular today. In spite of II Timothy 3:16, 17 there is neither teaching of nor interest in doctrine any more, and so the creeds, which are statements of doctrine are either despised or set aside."


Creeds are doctrine and we are able to heed Paul's warning because of them.




 
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A few quotes from Trueman’s The Creedal Imperative posted on PB.

“The pastor who thinks he is being biblical by declaring he has no creed but the Bible may actually, upon reflection, find that his position is more shaped by the modern world than he at first realized.”

“It would be a tragic irony if the rejection of creeds and confessions by so many of those who sincerely wish to be biblically faithful turned out to be not an act of faithfulness but rather an unwitting capitulation to the spirit of the age.”

“All Christians engage in confessional synthesis; the difference is simply whether one adheres to a public confession, subject to public scrutiny, or to a private confession that is, by its very nature, immune to such examination.”

“I do want to make the point here that Christians are not divided between those who have creeds and confessions and those who do not; rather, they are divided between those who have public creeds and confessions that are written down and exist as public documents, subject to public scrutiny, evaluation, and critique, and those who have private creeds and confessions that are often improvised, unwritten, and thus not open to public scrutiny, not susceptible to evaluation and, crucially and ironically, not, therefore, subject to testing by Scripture to see whether they are true.”

“Creeds and confessions are, in fact, necessary for the well-being of the church, and that churches that claim not to have them place themselves at a permanent disadvantage when it comes to holding fast to that form of sound words which was so precious to the aging Paul as he advised his young protégé, Timothy. . . The need for creeds and confessions is not just a practical imperative for the church but is also a biblical imperative.”

“The fact that I am a confessional Christian places me at odds with the vast majority of evangelical Christians today.”

“Those of us in the West have been taught to believe so deeply in the authority and autonomy of the individual that subjecting our own thoughts to external authorities, especially corporate or historic, is very counterintuitive. Combined with a desire for instant gratification, many of us are inclined to believe that if something does not make sense the first time we look at it, it—and not we—must be wrong.”

“A church with a creed or confession has a built-in gospel reality check. It is unlikely to become sidetracked by the peripheral issues of the passing moment; rather it will focus instead on the great theological categories that touch on matters of eternal significance.”

In the same thread a brother posted a quote found in Sam Waldron’s A Modern Exposition of the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith from Horatius Bonar,

“Every new utterance of skepticism, especially on religious subjects, and by so-called “religious” men, is cheered as another howl of that storm that is to send all creeds to the bottom of the sea; the flowing or receding tide is watched, not for the appearance of truth above the waters, but for the submergence of dogma. To any book or doctrine or creed that leaves men at liberty to worship what god they please, there is no objection; but to anything that would fix their relationship to God, that would infer their responsibility for their faith, that would imply that God has made an authoritative announcement as to what they are to believe, they object, with protestations in the name of injured liberty”

Creeds | Feileadh Mor
 
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Hehe. The only thing I know, is that I know nothing. Too many think they know something when they don't know anything. ;)

So where does that place you, so far as epistemology goes?
 
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No Christian that I know of has said "I think Scripture really teaches this thing, but I'm going to keep quiet because I don't want to be divisive." Should Athanasius not have opposed Arius because it would divide people? Should the Reformers have kept quiet because it would be divisive? In fact exactly the same passages in Paul were used against them by Catholics. Did Paul mean that people like that should keep quiet? I doubt it.

I suggest that the rules that Iosias posted from John Frame are the kind of thing Paul had in mind: http://www.christianforums.com/t7747701/#post63130230. It calls for mutual forbearance, for being slow to judge others, and not being unnecessarily narrow in our standards. Paul spent much of his career calling for acceptance between people who differed on issues such as eating meat and celebrating holidays, as well as people forming into parties depending upon who baptized them. Yet his call for avoiding divisions all too often becomes a way of creating divisions, because instead of taking it as a plea for accepting others, people use it as just another club with which to hit people with whom they disagree. This is a word which, like many of Jesus' sayings, is best applied to ourselves, and not used as yet another way to reject others. As long as it means "you're being divisive by not agreeing with me" rather than "maybe I should tone down the rhetoric a bit and try to recognize this guy as a fellow Christian", you're turning it on its head.
 
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The specific context in Rom 16:17 is presumably the issue of works of the Law. It seems reasonable to assume that the context is the context of the rest of the letter. These are people who were trying to impose additional restrictions on being a Christian, and were trying to convince people that they were not satisfactory Christian until they had complied.

(I should note that this is my interpretation. Of the two commentaries I consulted, one found the passage hard to understand, and the other thought it was a non-Pauline interpolation. It seems to me that given the disruptions that legalists caused for the early Church the warning is perfectly reasonable.)
 
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The specific context in Rom 16:17 is presumably the issue of works of the Law. It seems reasonable to assume that the context is the context of the rest of the letter. These are people who were trying to impose additional restrictions on being a Christian, and were trying to convince people that they were not satisfactory Christian until they had complied.

(I should note that this is my interpretation. Of the two commentaries I consulted, one found the passage hard to understand, and the other thought it was a non-Pauline interpolation. It seems to me that given the disruptions that legalists caused for the early Church the warning is perfectly reasonable.)

It would be likely that 16:17 relates to the Jew-Gentile conflict going on, especially relating to Rom. 14.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.

19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves.
 
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