Mark of the beast, not a literal mark

[pablosrun]

The mark of the beast will not be a literal mark,it will be in your forehead =your thoughts and in your right hand=your works...

And the seal of God is only in your forehead because you can't work your way into heaven!


What do you think....

 

[Yekcidmij]

Without the mark you will not be able to buy or sell. How does that fit in with a symbolic mark?

 

[Dad Ernie]

The mark of the beast will not be a literal mark,it will be in your forehead =your thoughts and in your right hand=your works...

And the seal of God is only in your forehead because you can't work your way into heaven!

Greetings Pablosrun,

I agree with you. For instance, say that ultimately we find out that the "MoB" is really that we have become a part of the Democratic Party. Only Democrats can then own property or buy and sell. Computers are such that they now keep track of all your purchases, your activities, your phone calls, your location etc. etc. You will not be able to hide on which side of the fence you are on. All a company or the government has to do is call up your "credit" account (so to speak) and find out who you deal with. Do you support conservatives? Do you believe in a conservative Jesus? Do you avoid bars and porn magazines? There are all sorts of ways to determine where your heart leans, and this is what the Beast wants to destroy. All you have to do is listen to the liberals today who think that conservatives are lower than whale dung and should be wiped off the face of the earth.

It's coming my friend.

Blessings

Dad Ernie

 

[bitwise]

Without the mark you will not be able to buy or sell. How does that fit in with a symbolic mark?

Yekcidmiji, what does this verse mean from Proverbs,

"Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding." - Pr 23:23.

It's coming my friend.

What exactly is coming?

-bitwise

 

[Hedgehog]

perhaps the buying and selling has something to do with the "buying"/"selling" that Satan/ Jesus did for our very souls?
We were bought with a great price. Bought from who?Satan.

If you dont take Satans mark- you cant be bought( by Satan) if you dont take Satans mark, you cant be sold( from Jesus)

Just a thought.

 

[bitwise]

perhaps the buying and selling has something to do with the "buying"/"selling" that Satan/ Jesus did for our very souls?
We were bought with a great price. Bought from who?Satan.

If you dont take Satans mark- you cant be bought( by Satan) if you dont take Satans mark, you cant be sold( from Jesus)

Just a thought.

Excellent, you're beginning to let the Scriptures interpret themselves. Good post.

-bitwise

 

[Dad Ernie]

perhaps the buying and selling has something to do with the "buying"/"selling" that Satan/ Jesus did for our very souls?
We were bought with a great price. Bought from who?Satan.

If you dont take Satans mark- you cant be bought( by Satan) if you dont take Satans mark, you cant be sold( from Jesus)

Greetings Hedgehog,

Satan has not, nor ever will own "souls":

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Jesus DID NOT buy souls from Satan.

Buying and selling is literal. That is why a loaf of bread will cost a day's wages. That is why we are told not to hurt the oil or the wine.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

 

[parousia70]

Buying and selling is literal. That is why a loaf of bread will cost a day's wages.

I wonder how a physical mark would prevent me from trading a gallon of milk from my ranch for a loaf of bread from my neighbors farm?

 

[snoochface]

I wonder how a physical mark would prevent me from trading a gallon of milk from my ranch for a loaf of bread from my neighbors farm?

Don't you think God will find ways to provide for the Christians who are still here and refusing to take the mark? We won't be able to buy and sell legally. I'm sure other ways to survive will be made available to us, by God. Perhaps this will include trading your milk for your neighbor's bread.

 

[parousia70]

Do you believe in a conservative Jesus?

No.
Since when are Giving all your posessions to the poor, social equality (Least is greatest) and accepting the worst dregs of society with open arms (and wallets) "conservative" values?
I don't see the Tom Delay's of this world engaging in any such activity.

Jesus is neither conservative nor liberal. Jesus himself is above and beyond such distinctions and gradations and segregation of peoples. The Incarnation was for all humankind, like it or not.

All you have to do is listen to the liberals today who think that conservatives are lower than whale dung and should be wiped off the face of the earth.

Funny, It's not the liberals in this country who are effectively dismantling the two party system to bring about 1 party rule, but that's not suprising. Democracy is a Liberal value, after all.

This is one Christian who dosen't subscribe to "Fristianity"

 

[parousia70]

Don't you think God will find ways to provide for the Christians who are still here and refusing to take the mark? We won't be able to buy and sell legally. I'm sure other ways to survive will be made available to us, by God. Perhaps this will include trading your milk for your neighbor's bread.

That's an interesting take on that scripture. Not a very literal one, but interesting none the less.

Buy and sell "leagally"? where does scripture make such a distinction?

It says none will be able to buy or sell PERIOD. leagally or illegally

 

[snoochface]

That's an interesting take on that scripture. Not a very literal one, but interesting none the less.

Buy and sell "leagally"? where does scripture make such a distinction?

It says none will be able to buy or sell PERIOD. leagally or illegally

It's an interpretation. You can accept that the mark of the beast won't be a physical mark, but you can't accept that God will provide for his people who are here during that time? Where is the literal interpretation that the mark will not be a physical mark on your hand or forehead?

Not to nitpick, but your example was one of trading anyway, not buying or selling.

 

[bitwise]

Satan has not, nor ever will own "souls":

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

"Behold, all souls are mine"... As the Lord is the creator of all things, and all things are made for his purpose (Pr 16:4), He rightly holds all power in heaven and earth to judge all the souls of men.


"as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine"... God is not a respecter of persons, "For there is no respect of persons with God." - Ro 2:11, and He is an impartial judge. All men shall be judged according to their own works. "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." - Eze 18:20. Therefore,


"the soul that sinneth, it shall die." - Eze 18:4 ... All men shall be judged, for all souls are the Lord's to judge, and all men shall bear their own iniquity. Those left in bondage to Satan, shall die.

Jesus DID NOT buy souls from Satan.

Jesus said, "28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's [Satan's] house [souls held captive by him], and spoil his goods, except he [Jesus] first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. [Christ came to set the captives free from Satan's house]." - Mat 12:28-29.


The strong man is Satan, who holds souls in bondage to his kingdom and ways (i.e. his house). Jesus Christ came to bind Satan and spoil Satan's goods. Jesus Christ set free the souls that were in bondage to Satan! All men are totally depraved, and are by default children of the Devil. When a child of the Devil is set free and brought into the kingdom of Christ he is said to be, "bought with a price" - 1Co 6:20, and that is with the blood of Christ. This isn't a literal transaction occurring between God and Satan in the Spiritual realm. Jesus is not "buying" souls in the sense that He trades with Satan. Christ SPOILS Satan's goods. Christ paid the PRICE...ONE TIME, and He delivers souls from Satan's kingdom to His Kingdom at His good pleasure!

Buying and selling is literal. That is why a loaf of bread will cost a day's wages. That is why we are told not to hurt the oil or the wine.

What Scriptures do you have to suggest that the buying and selling is literal? What Scriptures do you have to suggest that the loaf of bread costing a day's wages is literal? What Scriptures do you have to suggest that the oil and the wine are literal?

-bitwise

 

[Brain Damage]

I wonder how a physical mark would prevent me from trading a gallon of milk from my ranch for a loaf of bread from my neighbors farm?

How are you going to pay your water and land rates , electricity , gas etc ?

With a gallon of milk ?...lol

 

[parousia70]

It's an interpretation. You can accept that the mark of the beast won't be a physical mark, but you can't accept that God will provide for his people who are here during that time? Where is the literal interpretation that the mark will not be a physical mark on your hand or forehead?

I'm don't claim St John's teaching on the mark in Revelation is to be understood literaly. It is just one more symbolic refrence in St John's highly symbolic vision.

I'm merely pointing out that those who do claim to take the teaching "literally", really don't.

Not to nitpick, but your example was one of trading anyway, not buying or selling.

Since we're splitting hairs, the original greek for buy and sell used in scripture includes trading, bartering... That's whay they call it "free trade"
If I purchase a gallon of milk for $3 or for 2 loaves f bread, I have still PURCHASED it, having engaged in the process of Buying and selling.

Buy= Greek "agorazo" meaning:to be in the market place, to attend it, to do business there.

Sell= Greek "poleo" meaning: to barter, to sell

 

[parousia70]

How are you going to pay your water and land rates , electricity , gas etc ?

With a gallon of milk ?...lol

I won't. but Revelation's mark has nothing to do with that.

 

[Hedgehog]

bitwise, your thoughts on that scripture were exactly how I read it.That was really refreshing to see someone "see" just as I do.

 

[ikester]

the false prophet is the one that causes this mark to be accepted in order to buy or sell...God is all knowing.....satan is not.....the mark is literal and the beast system will know if you've accepted or rejected it......

 

[MbiaJc]

I wonder how a physical mark would prevent me from trading a gallon of milk from my ranch for a loaf of bread from my neighbors farm?

That not bying or selling, I think that how Christions will survive. I can't prove it exactly but i think the buying and selling thing will only last 45 days. Just my 2 cents.

 

[parousia70]

That not bying or selling,

According to a LITERAL interpratation of the scriptural teaching on the mark, yes it is.