Mark 6:3 Did Jesus have brothers and sisters?

[rjlaforteza]

xfisherman is it in the bible that mary is a sinner?

If you are referring to this in Luke 1:47-48 that She is a sinner, did the bible say she have sin."And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid: for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Because he that is mighty hath done great things to me: and holy is his name. And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him."


In the first pages of the Book of Genesis, immediately after the narration of the creation and the fall of our first parents, we are told what the history of humanity will be: a battle between the reign of God and the reign of darkness, a great battle between grace and sin. However, also revealed to us is the promise of salvation given by God the Father who, in His great love for humanity, immediately offers a Savior after the fall. Together with the figure of the Savior, we find the figure of a Woman who will crush the head of serpent. To her, the promise of triumph is also given because, in a singular and particular way, she participates in the battle and, thus, will also participate in the triumph.

God told the serpent, “I will put enmity between you and the Woman, between your offspring and hers. He will crush your head while you will strike at his heel” (Gen 3:15).

Who is the woman here referring in the book of Genesis.

 

[rjlaforteza]

A clarification about Mary

1. The Old Testament foreshadows the New Testament and the New Testament fulfills the Old Testament.
2. First Century Christians and the ancient Jewish people knew the Old Testament from memory, and could easily see the relationship between the Old Testament Scriptures and what the Apostles were handling on to them.


“In the Beginning…” Genesis 1:1 “In the Beginning…” John 1:1

When John’s Gospel was heard for the first time…
IMMEDIATELY the Book of Genesis is called to mind

GENESIS AND THE GOSPEL OF JOHN START OUT WITH A CREATION STORY.

And John Continues…
“God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from darkness.” Genesis 1:5

“The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it” John 1:5


“…and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.” Genesis 1:2

“I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him…the one who sent me to baptize with water…” John 1:32-33

John’s First Mention of the Messiah

John 1:29 – “The Next day….” – Day 1
John 1:35 – “The Next day….” – Day 2
John 1:43 – “The Next day….” – Day 3
John 2:1 – “On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee

• The man (Adam) said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman’, for she was taken out of man.” Genesis 2:23

• And Jesus said to her, “Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come” John 2:4

THE OLD EVE PROMPTED ADAM TO DO HIS FIRST EVIL ACT, BUT THE NEW EVE PROMPTS THE NEW ADAM TO DO HIS FIRST GLORIOUS ACT.

JESUS AND MARY SHARE THE SAME FLESH AND NOW THE NEW ADAM CALLS THE NEW EVE WOMAN.

Eve believed an evil angel and brought sin and death for humanity, but Mary believed a good angel and bore grace and hope for humanity.

Why do people refer to Mary as their Mother?

When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Dear woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, the disciple took her into his home.


Genesis 3:15
“I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will crush your head, while you strike at his heal.”

John also wrote the Book of Revelation.
Revelation 12:17
“Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring – those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

EVE IS “THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING” (Genesis 3:20) AND AT THE TREE OF LIFE (the cross) MARY BECOMES THE MOTHER OF ALL THOSE DISCIPLES LIVING IN CHRIST.

John, the one whom Jesus loved, was the most theologically deep of the New Testament writers and he lived with Mary, whom Jesus spent 30 years of His life with. John knew what he was doing and early Christian believed it. (Read the writings of the early “Church Fathers.”

• In the Beginning / In the Beginning
• Light & Darkness / Light & Darkness
• Spirit of God over Water / Spirit of God over Water
• 7 Days / 7 Days
• Adam and Eve / Jesus and Mary

St. Paul teaches Jesus is the New Adam…
From Scripture, Is Mary the New Eve?

Eve - Mary
1. Bone of Bone and Flesh of Flesh - Bone of Bone and Flesh of Flesh
2. Adam Calls Eve “woman” - Jesus calls Mary “woman”
3. Listened to a bad angel - Listened to a good angel
4. Prompts Adam to First Evil Act - Prompts Jesus to First Glorious Act
5. Cursed for disbelief - “Blessed are you (Mary) who believed” Lk
6. Through Eve comes sin/death - “Through Mary comes grace and life”
7. Mother of All the living - “Mother of all those Disciples who obey God and hold Testimony to Jesus
8. Woman & offspring have enmity with satan - Dragon at war with woman/offspring


Important!!!
Besides the scriptures there is one thing That Jewish people held in great esteem…

THE ARK OF THE COVENANT


THE ARK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OBJECT IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

• God demanded the Ark be made to precise measurements, with the finest materials and the purest gold, because it would contain the most sacred artifacts in Jewish salvation history and the presence of the Lord would overshadow the Ark
• Sadly the Ark has been missing since the “Babylonian Captivity” more than 2,600 years ago and only one man has seen it since…

In the Book of Revelation John, the Beloved Disciple, begins to describe the Ark and suddenly stops to describe the woman…

Don’t forget!
1. The Old Testament foreshadows the New Testament and the New Testament fulfills the Old Testament.
2. First Century Christians and the ancient Jewish people knew the Old Testament from memory, and could easily see the relationship between the Old Testament Scriptures and what the Apostles were handing on to them.

The Ark contained the Word of God in Stone Vs. Mary contained the Word of God in Flesh

The Ark contained Manna, Bread for Earthly Life Vs. Mary contained Jesus, Bread of Eternal Life

The Ark contained the rod of Aaron, the high priest Vs. Mary contained The Eternal Priest (Jesus)

Exodus 25:11-21 – The ark of the Old Covenant was made of the purest gold for God’s Word. Mary is the ark of the New Covenant and is the purest vessel for the Word of God made flesh. Reverencing the old ark did not subtract from the worship of God, but irreverence was consider an insult to God!


PRESENCE OF GOD COMING/OVERSHADOWING

Exodus 2:34 – The presence of God would come upon the ark and overshadow it.

Luke 1:35 – The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.

ARK/MOTHER COME TO ME

2 Samuel 6:9 – How can the ark of the Lord ever come to me?

Luke 1:43 – But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?


LEAPED/DANCED FOR JOY UPON ARRIVAL

2 Samuel 6:17 – As the ark of the Lord was entering the City of David…Michal looked down and saw King David leaping and dancing.

Luke 1:44 – As soon as the sound of your (Mary’s) greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.

ARK/MARY REMAINED 3 MONTHS

2 Samuel 6:11 – The ark of the Lord remained in the house of Obed-Edom the Gittite for three months.

Luke 1:56 – Mary remained with Elizabeth for about three months.


From Scripture is Mary the New Ark? YES
Just as God himself provided the lamb, God himself prepared the New Ark.

So that even before the power of the Most High overshadowed her, the Angel of the Lord could still say to Mary, “Hail Full of Grace!” She was preserved from all stain of sin.

In first chronicles chapters 15 and 16 – we see the awesome reverence the Jews had for the Ark – veneration, vestments, songs, harps, lyres, cymbals, trumpets. God did not come to abolish the Old Covenant He came to fulfill it and now we venerate the New Ark because there is an New Covenant.

Notice!
The words “Holy Trinity” never appear in Scripture, and just as we can apply thought to Scripture and can concluded that there exists the “Holy Trinity”…

We can apply thought to the New Ark and the New Eve…


Ark of the Old Covenant was pure and undefiled
Sinful humanity was not allowed to touch it

Ark of the New Covenant is pure and undefiled (i.e. a sinless virgin)
She was preserved from the stain of sinful humanity

Adam no original sin - New Adam no original sin
Eve no original sin - New Eve no original sin

Adam and Eve had the possibility of not dying - Jesus Ascended into Heaven
What about Mary???

Enoch and Elijah were assumed into heaven… Would Jesus do any less for His own Mother?

Psalm 132:8 – Arise, O Lord, into thy resting place; thou and the Ark, which thou hast sanctified.

In the Book of Revelation Mary is described as the true Queen of Heaven… She is wearing a crown, she gives birth to a King to rule all nations (Jesus, Son of David), and She is at war with the dragon (satan)…

Luke 1:32 - The Lord God will give him the Throne of David His Father.

A unique thing about the throne from the line of David is the relationship of the King and Queen… The Queen is the Mother.

(Psalm 45:9, 1Kings 2:17-20, 2 Chronicles 15:16, 2 Chronicles 22:10, Jeremiah 29:2, and many many more examples of the Mother being the Queen. The Old Testament condemns venerating the false queen of heaven mentioned in Jeremiah, but we should honor our Mother, the True Queen and venerate Her just as was done to the Ark&#8230

1 Kings 2:17-19
“So Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him on behalf of Adonijah. And the King rose to meet her and bowed to her. Then he sat on his throne and had a seat brought for the King’s mother, and she sat on his right. Then she said, “I have one small request to make of you; do not refuse me.” And the king said to her, “Make your request, my mother, for I will not refuse you”

The Queen is not only the Mother, but she is also an advocate of the people. At the wedding feast it wasn’t even Jesus hour, but he didn’t refuse the woman.

Notice! When verses are taken in context, when they are read with an understanding of Sacred Scripture in its entirety, and when consideration is given to the original intended audience…

MARY’S SOUL TRULY GLORIFIES THE LORD.

John 2:5 - His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever He tells you.”

 

[FirenWater]

In the first pages of the Book of Genesis, immediately after the narration of the creation and the fall of our first parents, we are told what the history of humanity will be: a battle between the reign of God and the reign of darkness, a great battle between grace and sin. However, also revealed to us is the promise of salvation given by God the Father who, in His great love for humanity, immediately offers a Savior after the fall. Together with the figure of the Savior, we find the figure of a Woman who will crush the head of serpent. To her, the promise of triumph is also given because, in a singular and particular way, she participates in the battle and, thus, will also participate in the triumph.

God told the serpent, “I will put enmity between you and the Woman, between your offspring and hers. He will crush your head while you will strike at his heel” (Gen 3:15).

Who is the woman here referring in the book of Genesis.

Paul did speak of the mystery of the man and the woman being Christ and the Church in Ephesians.

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly

 

[xfisherman]

xfisherman is it in the bible that mary is a sinner?

If you are referring to this in Luke 1:47-48 that She is a sinner, did the bible say she have sin."And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid: for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Because he that is mighty hath done great things to me: and holy is his name. And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him."


In the first pages of the Book of Genesis, immediately after the narration of the creation and the fall of our first parents, we are told what the history of humanity will be: a battle between the reign of God and the reign of darkness, a great battle between grace and sin. However, also revealed to us is the promise of salvation given by God the Father who, in His great love for humanity, immediately offers a Savior after the fall. Together with the figure of the Savior, we find the figure of a Woman who will crush the head of serpent. To her, the promise of triumph is also given because, in a singular and particular way, she participates in the battle and, thus, will also participate in the triumph.

God told the serpent, “I will put enmity between you and the Woman, between your offspring and hers. He will crush your head while you will strike at his heel” (Gen 3:15).

Who is the woman here referring in the book of Genesis.

I do know some people believe in fables.

 

[rjlaforteza]

My friend it is in the bible it is not a fable. Just read your bible and understand.

 

[rjlaforteza]

“I will put enmity between you and the Woman, between your offspring and hers. He will crush your head while you will strike at his heel” (Gen 3:15).

 

[rjlaforteza]

It is very important to reflect upon, in this Scripture, how satan tries to attack, in many different ways, the woman who is about to give birth. Satan hates the Blessed Virgin Mary for four reasons:

She is conceived without sin and remains always immaculate by the grace of God and her personal decision. The devil never had power over her; she is the only creature that has never been under the dominion of satan. If the Ark of the Covenant which contained the Tablets of the Law was constructed with wood that was incorruptible, how could the Mother of the Word-made-flesh not be immaculate and incapable of corruption when She bore Him, not in an ark of wood, but in an ark of flesh?

She is the bearer of light of the world: Jesus. He hates her because she is the Ark of the Covenant who brings in Her womb the One who brings salvation and liberation from sin and who will defeat satan forever.

She is the response of God to satan’s rebellion. The Blessed Virgin Mary is the masterpiece of God, the true star of the morning that takes the place of Lucifer. Who She is and all of Her virtues become the response of God to satan:

satan - Immaculate Heart of Mary

pride - 1. humility: “he has seen my lowliness…” (Lk 1:48)

rebellion - 2. obedience: “let it be done to me…” (Lk 1:38)

autonomy - 3. submission: “I am the handmaid of the Lord…” (Lk 1:38)

confusion - 4. truth: “she kept all these things in her heart…” (Lk 2:51)

sin - 5. grace: “rejoice, o full of grace…” (Lk 1:28)

blasphemy - 6. praise: “my soul rejoices…” (Lk 1:47)

atheism - 7. faith: “blessed are you who have believed…” (Lk 1:45)

resentfulness - 8. joy: “when she heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leapt for joy…” (Lk 1:44)

selfishness - 9. service: “she went out in haste…” (Lk 1:39)

riches - 10. simplicity: “they did not have a place in the inn…” (Lk 2:7)

avoidance of pain - 11. sacrifice: “a sword will pierce your heart…” (Lk 2:35)

self-glory - 12. glory to her Son: “do whatever He tells you…” (Jn 2:5)

infidelity - 13. fidelity: “at the foot of the cross…” (Jn 19:25)

hatred - 14. forgiveness: “with them (apostles)was the Mother of Jesus…” (Acts 1:14)

These are the four great reasons for which satan hates the Blessed Virgin Mary and wants to continually persecute Her. However, in general, her full person is hated for who She is and for Her mission.

As we see in Revelation 12, the woman was given two great wings, and She went to the desert far from the dragon. The devil was not able to touch Her, to make Her fall, for She had the wings of the virtues of love and fidelity to God, which are more solid than any attack. Because the devil could not overtake Her, he tried to drown Her in a river. He wanted to hide Her name, making men reject her, hate her, ignore Her, and place Her to the side. In other words, the river of water that was to drown Her represents all the attempts to minimize the truth of who She is and the crucial role she has in the plan of salvation, both in an individual and collective manner. It represents the attempt to make us believe that She is not important in our spiritual lives.


For denials concerning the fundamental truths about Her and Her mission (Immaculate Conception, Perpetual Virginity, Divine Maternity and her spiritual motherhood over us)

For the breaking of and indifference towards Her images, which reveal Her presence.

For those who make many people forget Her, especially children.

We must be aware that the battle of satan against the Blessed Virgin Mary will manifest itself in these ways and in many others as well. How much indifference and rejection there is towards Our Mother and Her interventions! How much rejection of Her mission, Her intercession, and the doctrinal truths about Her. How much resistance there is in giving Her that place the Trinity gave to Her and in recognizing it publicly.

Do not believe that these are only personal opinions; behind every rejection of the Blessed Virgin Mary, whether it is strong or subtle, we can find the instigation and the attack of satan. “I will place enmity between you and the Woman.” And all of this resistance is so grave that Jesus considers it necessary that acts of reparation be made for them.

Let us examine the meaning of the text from Revelation. She appeared as a great sign in the sky dressed in the sun. This “dress of the sun” is the light of Christ. As well, the moon was under her feet; the moon represents time. Therefore, She has authority, and she exercises it over time; in fact, she is its patron. Even though She lived in time, She is superior to the vicissitudes of time and is not conditioned by it. In other words, She has the power, given to Her by God, to crush the battles that take place in history at specific times.

 

[Bridgit]

Why did Jesus give his mother to John to take care of her?

Jesus said in Matt. 12:48-50 that "whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.

Jesus' own brothers and sisters didn't believe what Jesus was saying, so Jesus coud only trust his mother to be taken care of by a believer. John was a follower and believer of Jesus and Jesus trusted him to take care of his mother.

I have met people who trust more some of their friends than their families and for a good reason. It was the case here with Jesus trusting John over his siblings to take care of Mary.

 

[FirenWater]

Thats what I was thinking to Bridgit (well if I reasoned with it that way)

Luke 4:7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes , and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

Likewise it speaks...

Gal 4:4-5... God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.


Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow , he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

"as was supposed the son of Joseph"


James 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren ,James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?


Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.


John 7:3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest. 5 For neither did his brethren believe in him.


Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.


Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?


Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said,Behold my mother and my brethren!

Likewise on the Cross is said to the disciple (likewise)...


John 19:37 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.


Which appears to be after this same truth...

Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,


Then here, it tells of how one is sanctified (through the Spirit and belief in the truth)


2Thes 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:


The same, because they believed, so likewise is she And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. And so there was on the cross, he bare our sins. As they believed and she believed (santified through belief in the truth) whether physically related or not, they are all one.

His brethren (would be half so, no matter which was one looks at it) and they are shown not believing. They which believed as Mary did (being sanctified) are all of one and these (it says) He is not ashamed to call brethren...even as he stretched forth his hand to His disciples (saying... "behold, my mother and my brethren"). So likewise (on the cross) to his disciple he said, "behold thy mother" (and to her, thy son). The same too could be shown as the church principle, treat elder women as mothers in the household of faith. As Jesus was born of one woman, lays out a patern in the many, which is Christ in them (the adoption)

I typically compare the picture very differently but once and awhile I jump on posts like this and teeter around and see how others compare it too,

 

[tangled]

It's important to note that once we become christians, we're all "brothers and sisters..." --one with christ.

 

[xfisherman]

Thats what I was thinking to Bridgit (well if I reasoned with it that way)

Luke 4:7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes , and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

Likewise it speaks...

Gal 4:4-5... God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.


Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow , he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

"as was supposed the son of Joseph"


James 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren ,James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?


Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.


John 7:3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest. 5 For neither did his brethren believe in him.


Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.


Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?


Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said,Behold my mother and my brethren!

Likewise on the Cross is said to the disciple (likewise)...


John 19:37 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.


Which appears to be after this same truth...

Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,


Then here, it tells of how one is sanctified (through the Spirit and belief in the truth)


2Thes 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:


The same, because they believed, so likewise is she And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. And so there was on the cross, he bare our sins. As they believed and she believed (santified through belief in the truth) whether physically related or not, they are all one.

His brethren (would be half so, no matter which was one looks at it) and they are shown not believing. They which believed as Mary did (being sanctified) are all of one and these (it says) He is not ashamed to call brethren...even as he stretched forth his hand to His disciples (saying... "behold, my mother and my brethren"). So likewise (on the cross) to his disciple he said, "behold thy mother" (and to her, thy son). The same too could be shown as the church principle, treat elder women as mothers in the household of faith. As Jesus was born of one woman, lays out a patern in the many, which is Christ in them (the adoption)

I typically compare the picture very differently but once and awhile I jump on posts like this and teeter around and see how others compare it too,

The Word of the Lord is very clear,thanks for your post Firenwater.

 

[precepts]

It's amazing how some of us use the excuse where is that in the bible, but base their whole theology on stuff that's not in the bible!

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Which part of all do some people don't understand. All human beings are sinners, that's a fact!

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Which part of according to the flesh, and declared to be the son of God, don't some people understand?




Last but not least, my original question? Who is Joshua the son of Joshedech?

Zec 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set [them] upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;
Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name [is] The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
Zec 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

[FirenWater]

I love this too


Luke 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.


Hosea 7:13 and he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?


Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.


Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?


Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.


Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.


Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.


Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:


Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.


Luke 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;


Luke 2:23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord)


Luke 2:24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.


Found here...


Lev 12:26 And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest: Who shall offer it before the LORD, and make an atonement for her; and she shall be cleansed from the issue of her blood. This is the law for her that hath born a male or a female. And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean.


Which again she did according to the law of her that hath born a male or female here....


Luke 2:24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.


The priest making atonement for her that she "be clean" too.The birds were for a sin offering

 

[Bridgit]

It's important to note that once we become christians, we're all "brothers and sisters..." --one with christ.

John 2:12

After the wedding he went to Capernaum for a few days with his mother, his brothers, and his disciples.

 

[precepts]

I love this too


Luke 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.




Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

So the virgin concieved and gave birth to Immanuel, not Jesus, the son of David, since he's Joseph's son, right?

Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?


Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.


Mat 1:19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.


Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.


Mat 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

All are false statements left by the antichrist spirit. If you like, I could list a list of conflicting accounts in scripture that are false, lies, deliberate add-ons to scripture.

Mat 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

"And he knew her not til," does that mean that he knew her after, and that's she not ever virgin?


Plus, you didn't answer the question, who is "Joshua the son of Josedech?"

 

[FirenWater]

Comparing these to one another ... I caught some (at the bottom) I never saw before, and it actually has me curious now. Im still waiting on it but Im wondering if it connects now. I'll point it out what I caught, but I have nothing further then a first glance of it and how it could apply.


Here the singular/plural


Luke 2:35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy **OWN SOUL** also,) THAT the thoughts of **MANY HEARTS** may be revealed.

Here the singular/plural again here...

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of A WOMAN, made under the law, To redeem THEM that were under the law, that WE might receive the adoption of SONS.

According to spiritual truths Jesus seems to always be re- directing their focus

Mark 3:32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, ((( Behold ))) thy mother and thy brethren ((( without ))) seek for thee.

Mark 3:33 And HE answered them, saying, WHO IS my mother and my brethren?

Mark 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat (((( about him )))) and said, ((( BEHOLD ))) my mother and my brethren

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same IS my brother, and my sister, and mother.

He seems to be pointing what they kept focusing on (after the flesh/ one woman/ singular) wheres the stretching forth of his hand toward those about him, is like a prophetic pointer (after a spiritual truth) the woman/ the church/ in the many. Even as He compares his disciples (all men) to a woman in John 16:21 which I regard as Christ in them)

In Mathew the same thing is shown but another verse for further clarification.

In Mat 12:49 And he stretched his hands toward HIS DISCIPLES, and said, ((( BEHOLD ))) my mother AND my brethren! (Even as a picture of such adoption could be shown on the cross)

"The one" (after the flesh) seems to represent "the many" (after the spirit) and redirected as such by Christ accordingly.

Chirst in us

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Heres the first prophecy that can also be seen in the Church (as a whole)

Luke 2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, ((( Behold ))) this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against

Sign or "token" (to the one/ singular) which would be "a manifest" token (in the Church/plurally) even as shown here...

1Peter 4:14If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

Here is what I am looking at (again) never caught this (even now Im still looking at it). Mary declares all generations would call her blessed, and so it come to pass where a "certain woman" lifts up her voice to do just as Mary had herself declared

Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.


And she is met with what I would regard His reproof

Luke 11:27 But he said,Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

And we know...


Mat 17:5 This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.


Jesus words trumped Marys own words it appears, afterall the woman was blessing the womb and paps He was of (Just as Mary had said)

Pauls words could even come into play here...


1Ti 2:12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.


Which is followed by the very next verse...


1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.


Even as Adam was a similitude of Him who was to come and be formed in them


As Paul says here...

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Mary had not brought forth Jesus at the time she said that (ever notice that???) I sure didnt! And she (as one) being a representative of the many ( because Eve is shown in the context). So Im just looking at this a bit closer, even as the woman Eve (singularly) "she" and plurally so shown (here) a bit more closely....because it continues...

1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


I was like wow! I never saw that, I just caught it, ofcourse this is an in the moment thing, I gotta sit with it to catch it more rightly, because it could be a stretch but its always been of interest to me. What Mary declared (concerning herself) is mirrored as coming back to him through another "certain woman" and is not met (By Christ) with a Yea amen (in the singular sense) there but a Yea, rather (in the plural sense). Where again, His words trumped (hers) and also expanded the perspective (they).

I'll have to pick that up later, it has me curious, but same thing can be shown (singular/plural) between these two likewise...



Luke 2:35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.


Even as...


Heb 4:11 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


Just looking... in my boredom, nothing solid, but it sure can be fun exploring though.

 

[FirenWater]

So the virgin concieved and gave birth to Immanuel, not Jesus, the son of David, since he's Joseph's son, right?



All are false statements left by the antichrist spirit. If you like, I could list a list of conflicting accounts in scripture that are false, lies, deliberate add-ons to scripture.




"And he knew her not til," does that mean that he knew her after, and that's she not ever virgin?


Plus, you didn't answer the question, who is "Joshua the son of Josedech?"

I meet all kinds here

 

[precepts]

Wow! I guess because you can't answer my questions, is why you've turned to personal attacks! Oh my pearls!

 

[FirenWater]

Precepts, I know you are speaking to me, and I should not have responded "I meet all kinds here" it was wrong of me. I shouldnt have responded to you at all. I do meet all kinds here but I didnt mean it in the positive sense. Getting fed up with some folks approach and it has started to wear on me, and I cant say I felt any differently about your approach with me. Nevertheless I should have turned from you, and not responded.

You are at least owed an explanation as to why I am put off. First you grabbed the verses I posted and said they were of the anti christ spirit, secondly, you assumed I ignored your question on the post (not adressed to me) assuming (again) that I am even reading your posts, which I am not. So the first time you quote my post, your approach is way off and I dont care to converse with that. Or to respond to a provocation that appeals to pride by the way it pushes itself in my face (and demands of me) that way.

Maybe if you come in, with "greetings my sister, you have shared some verses I have great question about, and believe these verses are in error have you considered, "such and such"? Not to mention how you assumed I was even following your posts, adding PLUS you didnt answer the question" (the post comes off demanding, in an arrogant and "in your face") way. Im not interested in the kind of conversation I know I would need to be to even go there.

However, if you would have simply said, "Theres a difference between the son of man and the son of God I found most interesting and maybe you'd find it interesting to look into that with me? And we could discuss "Joshua the son of Josedech" because I find this very interesting too. Your approach would have yeiled something fruitful between us (even the desire toward a fruitful discussion). But as it is now, no Im not interested, but that still doesnt excuse me from responding back to you in the manner I did (after the manner I was approached). A non response would have been more appropriate, because even responding in kind (here) is also against forum rules.

So I do appologize to you for "answering again" that way (even before the Lord) because I know better.

God bless you

 

[precepts]

The question is open for all takers. Who is Joshua the son of Josedech?

Zec 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set [them] upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;
Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name [is] The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
Zec 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.