Marine Corps Special Operations

[Imaginosis]

The U.S. Marine Corps are now part of the Special Operations Command, with their own Special Operations School recently created. How will the school's assessment, selection, and training differ from that of Force Recon?? What capabilities will school graduates have from those who graduate from Force Recon training?

 

[Gwenyfur]

Here's the official verbage
Though from what I'm reading...I can't see any obvious differences...


(sits back to watch the conspiracy theorists come up with something)

 

[pgp_protector]

Marine = Deadly
Special Ops Marine = I don't even want to bump into in a busy city

 

[mont974x4]

I don't think much will change. In trying to streamline training it makes sense. The selection process of the respective services shouldn't change much and a lot of the training is done inter-service anyways, and has been for years.

For example, I went to jump school with squids, jarheads, and flyboys. Cheap dig I know, but I hope you'll forgive this old dog face soldier.


It also makes sense that the special ops would have a central command for all services for ease of manning missions based on needs in a more efficient manner.


I wouldn't read to much onto it.

 

[Teufelhund]

They are different but I think it's more like with a Recon Platoon and Force Recon, I know people who are being sent to MARSOC, and people who are going to RRP so there is probably a difference, ergo who you are attached to, what type of missions you perform etc. But the actual differences in training are probably nil, there are probably minor differences in SOP, but they are all wicked bad, in a good way.

 

[mont974x4]

There are differences, for example between Rangers, Special Forces and Delta Force. However, that isn't impacted by the change of command structure at that high of a level.

Chances are it'll just eliminate redundancy in orders being placed. The same work will be done by the same people, because the people doing the missions are still trained and geared for the specific areas. The SOP will be streamlined to reflect the centralized command structure.


What would be fun to watch is Army and Marine guys having to serve under an air force guy.

 

[Gwenyfur]

heh....

I have a hard time with that now...
Dad's a zoomie

He's still wondering where he went "wrong" having a Marine for a daughter

I'll give him this...he pulled 3 tours in 'nam...no mean feat. Under it all, I respect him...

 

[mont974x4]

My dad did 3 as well. As a jarhead, at least one of which was as a sniper.


Dad asked me how he had a sin crazy enough to be a paratrooper. I told him I wasn't crazy enough to try to fit my head in a jar.



We're actually quite close. He and I are business partners now. And we have more in common than either if us care to admit....at least in public...when our brides let us out of our cages.

 

[Gwenyfur]

My dad did 3 as well. As a jarhead, at least one of which was as a sniper.


Dad asked me how he had a sin crazy enough to be a paratrooper. I told him I wasn't crazy enough to try to fit my head in a jar.



We're actually quite close. He and I are business partners now. And we have more in common than either if us care to admit....at least in public...when our brides let us out of our cages.

ROFL

Hubby's just gotten to the point when the WMA friends come over, he and the youngest evac asap...

Took him a few years to realize, WM's talk about *everything*

 

[mont974x4]

LOL you should see people look at me when I climb out of my truck and holler at my boys to "unass my truck" (pardon the vernacular but it would lose something if I said "unbutt" ROFL )

My bride was in the Army too, but not in any,well, "unpleasant" places, so she does understand a bit., altho she is glad I am not the drinker I used to be and my friends are slightly more civilized now. lol

 

[Gwenyfur]

LOL!

We're civilized...just ... well.... WM's on the loose...not all of us were in "unpleasant" places...in fact only 3 of us hit DS1...my hubby never served, so he gets really lost

 

[mont974x4]

poor man, we should pray for him.

 

[Imaginosis]

There are differences, for example between Rangers, Special Forces and Delta Force. However, that isn't impacted by the change of command structure at that high of a level.

Chances are it'll just eliminate redundancy in orders being placed. The same work will be done by the same people, because the people doing the missions are still trained and geared for the specific areas. The SOP will be streamlined to reflect the centralized command structure.


What would be fun to watch is Army and Marine guys having to serve under an air force guy.

So the Marine Special Operations School streamlines training with other branch special ops??

My impression is that Delta Force has the most stringent assessment and selection. Is this true?? From all that I've read it is very difficult to get into, even more so than the SEALS.

How can different branches of the services (eg, Marines, Army) have different assessment/selection and training and yet be compatible with each other? How can a Delta Force operator be confident that the SEAL next to him is competent when the going gets really dirty??

 

[mont974x4]

My understanding is that delta may use people from all branches...I'll have to ask my retired SF friends.

As to the selection issue, each branch knows the training standards and as such can tailor their own criteria for in-service selection prior to putting forth the troops for the schools. Really, for years they have trained together in many instances, such as basic paratrooper school, advanced paratooper school, jumpmaster school. Likewise, the Navy has facilities to train people from all branches in some areas, the Marines (altho they don't like to admit it) fall under the Department of the Navy, the Air Force, well, they get trained by everybody else.

It's been happening for years in an effort to save money and improve efficiency. Why should all the services provide facilities and other assets for the same training? For example, I went to teh Air Forces school for aviation pneudraulic systems repair and just had a small block taught by Army personnel to tailor it to my service.

 

[Imaginosis]

My understanding is that delta may use people from all branches...I'll have to ask my retired SF friends.

Yes, Delta Force does use personnel from the other services, but they still have to go through their assessment/selection. A brutal process, I believe, more demanding than SEAL hell week. Hell week sets the standard for fatigue and being cold, but Delta selection requires tremendous individual initiative, involving an orienteering course over rugged terrain lasting several weeks, with increasingly longer marches with a heavy backpack. To pass this assessment/selection requires excellent navigation skills and a lot of determination without the moral support of other trainees. To a certain degree SEAL training has the buddy system, whereas Delta training requires more independant thinking. I think this assessment/selection selects individuals of a higher caliber than SEAL selection and training.

I believe your average Delta operator is of a higher caliber than your average SEAL. Of course there are SEALs every bid as capable as Delta operators, but in general, I'll take Delta over the SEALs.

 

[Teufelhund]

Different Special Ops groups have different functions to say that Delta Force is a better group than the SEALs, is like that the USAF is better than the Marines. They have completely different functions, I would an Airman to perfom the same functions as a Marine, nor would I expect to perform the functions as an Airman. I know some squared away Airman, and they're probably the same caliber at their jobs as are squared away Marines at their job.

 

[mont974x4]

Come on, who would honestly say the the AF is better than the Corp?

 

[Imaginosis]

...to say that Delta Force is a better group than the SEALs, is like that the USAF is better than the Marines. They have completely different functions,...

SEAL Team six is an antiterrorist/takeover unit, just as DELTA is. The main difference would be the SEAL's emphasis on amphibious ops, but still the caliber of individual, in general, would be higher in DELTA, which uses a more thorough psychological screening. SEAL selection/training doesn't have near the amount of psychological testing, to detect character/psychological flaws.