Marijuana

[mpok1519]

I don't consider there to be a need for marijuana to be illegal so your endless rant was wasted on me. Personally I don't care to deal with potential legal problems so I don't bother with the stuff, but I would gladly go back to making tea with it for the heavy duty discomfort of my periods. When we were teenagers our neighbor started giving my sister and I ganja tea when she found out how miserably sick we 2 were every month. My mother pretended she didn't know what ganja was and indulged it because it helped while presciption medications either did nothing but upset our stomachs or put us to sleep.

As for fighting unjust laws... yes I believe pot being illegal to the point of not even allowing it for medical usage is not just, however it certainly doesn't compare to forced birth control (and the limit on children never was a limit on gender although the result was obvious enough... I guess the result though for china besides facing a bit of a female shortage is that a number of cities got to make quite a business out of foreign adoptions... nice influx of cash from folks who have to go for a week or 2 and spend money while they pick up their kids)

I'm only upset that our justice system is highly discriminatory; minorities are twice as likely to be charged, convicted, and incarcerated for cannabis; I can see the evil in this; whether or not the system is knowingly discriminating, there is a definate pattern of discrimination whihc any sociologist can see. Our system will throw the book at certain people, but other people get off scott free, which is inherently unjust, and thus must be changed.

Marijuana is a good natural treatment for nausea, pain, depression, glaucoma, stimulates hunger in aids patients, and has been known to dull the effects of celiac's disease. It could very well possibly be a healthy thing to consume (if consumed properly of course), salubrious even.

I just see a lassies faire attitude amongst the people; they don't care for it, or care against it, but if they knew how many people were being thrown into custody of the state and having the book thrown at them, which in turn hurts their chances to get a good job, and even sometimes an education. It hurts their reputation to be known as a 'criminal' even if its apart of their customs.

Cannabis has becomethe whipping boy of the failed war on drugs, yet its just people who get the whip, metaphorically.

I'm sorry, it seems like I'm ranting at you, when I'm really not. I just hope people will vote for Obama, because he has a backburner plan to decriminalize it nation-wide so the war on drugs may better be focused towards hazardous drugs, such as crystal meth and crack cocaine, and that we may keep some of that federal money thats being wasted throwing noncriminal drug offendors into prison.

 

[cantata]

I never said vaporisers didn't exist. My post was in response to the suggestion that cannabis is normally taken by vaporising. I'm sure there are some stone heads out there who are really into it and vaporise their gear, but I'm certain the numbers are miniscule compared to the number of people who smoke cannabis.

He didn't say that it's normally taken by vaporising. He said it's normally taken by being eaten, not smoked, and that vaporising is getting more popular.

Reading comprehension ftw!

 

[stan1980]

He didn't say that it's normally taken by vaporising. He said it's normally taken by being eaten, not smoked, and that vaporising is getting more popular.

Reading comprehension ftw!

Erm... no he didn't. Reading comprehension ftw! (Not that I know what ftw means!). Actually he wasn't very clear by what he meant by consumed.

10/10 for tedium though!

 

[Da Bomb]

Erm... no he didn't. Reading comprehension ftw! (Not that I know what ftw means!). Actually he wasn't very clear by what he meant by consumed.

10/10 for tedium though!

I'LL CLEAR THIS ALL UP
I have personally written THE WHITE-HOUSE drug CZAR, NIDIA, AND THE DEA, asking a simple question, if Marijuana is a drug, why isn't tobacco and Alcohol illigal? NO ANSWER!! EVER,NOT ONCE, OVER A YEAR I HAVE WRITEN AND ASKED, NOTHING, Cause They dont really care about drugs, its CONFORMITY. MORE IMPORTANTLY, if Marijuana is such a big deal, why is it the #1 cash crop IN THE US!? Anti Marijuana mentality is the minority, and The silent Majority is taking aim at Hypocrisy in Washington, Hemp and Marijuana will be AMericas answer for our Gas and economic needs, If you really think George Washington was wrong on the Issue then by all means, Agree with the 30 percent of Americans who feel Marijuana "IS A DRUG"While the rest enjoy the fact that Marijuana is so common it can be found in 1 in 10 homes. Thats a Scary white house fact aint it?

 

[Da Bomb]

Erm... no he didn't. Reading comprehension ftw! (Not that I know what ftw means!). Actually he wasn't very clear by what he meant by consumed.

10/10 for tedium though!

I'LL CLEAR THIS ALL UP
I have personally written THE WHITE-HOUSE drug CZAR, NIDIA, AND THE DEA, asking a simple question, if Marijuana is a drug, why isn't tobacco and Alcohol illigal? NO ANSWER!! EVER,NOT ONCE, OVER A YEAR I HAVE WRITEN AND ASKED, NOTHING, Cause They dont really care about drugs, its CONFORMITY. MORE IMPORTANTLY, if Marijuana is such a big deal, why is it the #1 cash crop IN THE US!? Anti Marijuana mentality is the minority, and The silent Majority is taking aim at Hypocrisy in Washington, Hemp and Marijuana will be AMericas answer for our Gas and economic needs, If you really think George Washington was wrong on the Issue then by all means, Agree with the 30 percent of Americans who feel Marijuana "IS A DRUG"While the rest enjoy the fact that Marijuana is so common it can be found in 1 in 10 homes. Thats a Scary white house fact aint it?

 

[stan1980]

I'LL CLEAR THIS ALL UP
I have personally written THE WHITE-HOUSE drug CZAR, NIDIA, AND THE DEA, asking a simple question, if Marijuana is a drug, why isn't tobacco and Alcohol illigal? NO ANSWER!! EVER,NOT ONCE, OVER A YEAR I HAVE WRITEN AND ASKED, NOTHING, Cause They dont really care about drugs, its CONFORMITY. MORE IMPORTANTLY, if Marijuana is such a big deal, why is it the #1 cash crop IN THE US!? Anti Marijuana mentality is the minority, and The silent Majority is taking aim at Hypocrisy in Washington, Hemp and Marijuana will be AMericas answer for our Gas and economic needs, If you really think George Washington was wrong on the Issue then by all means, Agree with the 30 percent of Americans who feel Marijuana "IS A DRUG"While the rest enjoy the fact that Marijuana is so common it can be found in 1 in 10 homes. Thats a Scary white house fact aint it?

I actually think all drugs should be legal and regulated, just so that there is no misunderstanding here, especially opium and cocaine. At the moment the artifical high prices are causing social problems such as theft, muggings shootings etc. Almost all of it is down to the price of drugs. Another problem is the rise in cheaper more dangerous synthetic drugs like crystal meth. Quite honestly, I couldn't really care less if cannabis is legalised or not, but then in my country (England) people aren't sent to prison for possession of quantities that would suggest it is just for personal use. The only real reason I'd like to see it legalised is for consistency more than anything.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

Why dose every one ignore the fact tat the bible clearly states the use of marijuan as a normal act. Genesis 1:29

And Genisis 2:16 quickly disproves your point. Just because God created it doesn't mean it is meant to be used by humans. The Tree of the Fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (boy that's a mouthful) is the metaphoric drug of the Bible.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

Certainly thousands of people also use cannabis. About 20% of the population uses tobacco habitually, an estimated 7-15% uses cannabis habitually.

Turns out cannabis doesn't seem to cause lung cancer at all:

Well, my textbook disagrees (and before you question the veracity, it's independently written and it's not even a year old. I doubt it's a government conspiracy). Sounds like something which varies study to study.

It probably has to do with other factors like their activity, how much they smoke tobacco, how much they smoke cannibis, etc.

My biggest problem with drugs though is that they're pointless. You gain absolutely nothing from it while even the most mundane activity you gain something. Drugs shouldn't be encourage because they waste time. Unless you have a medical need, go outside and do something useful.

 

[mpok1519]

So, God made the tree of knowledge; God said 'don't eat'. But also looked upon His creation and said it was good.

hmm, I don't know if people really know what God is saying.

I don't know if drugs are useless; I'm sure God made wine for some purpose in mind, I'm sure He made cannabis with some purpose in mind.

One may believe drugs are useless, but I'm sure the majority of the world would disagree; even recreational drugs have a purpose.

 

[stan1980]

My biggest problem with drugs though is that they're pointless. You gain absolutely nothing from it while even the most mundane activity you gain something. Drugs shouldn't be encourage because they waste time. Unless you have a medical need, go outside and do something useful.

You might not like drugs, you may think some of them are destructive and who could argue, but if they were really pointless no one would take them. Outlawing them isn't working, and never will, so we need a more sensible approach. All I'm saying is if someone really wants heroin they should be able to go to their doctor and get a prescription. I don't think you'll see a significant increase in users, as most people already know how destructive the drug can be, so you'll probably see the same people on drugs who were on drugs anyway, just that they'll be getting them much cheaper, so wont be robbing houses, mugging people on the street to get their next fix.

 

[Da Bomb]

And Genisis 2:16 quickly disproves your point. Just because God created it doesn't mean it is meant to be used by humans. The Tree of the Fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (boy that's a mouthful) is the metaphoric drug of the Bible.

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:


Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

So what dose this have to do with genesis 1:29, also what about Romans 14:14?
Also please people if you are going to call something a drug, make sure its really a drug, That means yo can physically die from it, if not then isnt out of the drug category, in fact more people will die this year do to Asprin than Marijuana, isnt that Fact enough, that Cannabis obviously isnt a drug?

 

[stan1980]

Also please people if you are going to call something a drug, make sure its really a drug, That means yo can physically die from it, if not then isnt out of the drug category, in fact more people will die this year do to Asprin than Marijuana, isnt that Fact enough, that Cannabis obviously isnt a drug?

It's still a drug. Whether you can die from it or not is irrelevant.

 

[sinan90]

A definition of a drug:

Any substance which when absorbed into a living organism may modify one or more of its functions.

Seems to me being able to die from it isn't required for it to be a drug.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:


Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

So what dose this have to do with genesis 1:29, also what about Romans 14:14?
Also please people if you are going to call something a drug, make sure its really a drug, That means yo can physically die from it, if not then isnt out of the drug category, in fact more people will die this year do to Asprin than Marijuana, isnt that Fact enough, that Cannabis obviously isnt a drug?

If you take Romans 14:14 literally than cannibalism would be fine and dandy (take note, the person should be dead by a source other than murder). As far as Gen 2:17, it has plenty to do. Because it prooves that just because God has created something doesn't mean it can be used. Cannabis has uses in nature that aren't artificial.

As for your bogus definition, go back to school. Drugs don't have to kill you. A drug is any physical substance which alters how your body works for a short period, typically in the brain. Caffeine is a drug, but I've never heard of it killing someone. So stop waving that around and going "HA HA IT'S NOT A DRUG" because that's an outright lie.

 

[mpok1519]

Well, God created everything in seven days; all of those things existed in the garden of eden; fruits veggies, cannabis included; God only said to eat not from the tree of knowledge; God must have created cannabis for some purpose if he didn't say to stay away from it.

 

[cantata]

Well, God created everything in seven days; all of those things existed in the garden of eden; fruits veggies, cannabis included; God only said to eat not from the tree of knowledge; God must have created cannabis for some purpose if he didn't say to stay away from it.

I'm not sure this argument works - what about poisonous berries?

 

[mpok1519]

But God didn't say to stay away from the poisonous berries, right? If Adam and Eve ate them, God would have just laughed while they got diarhea. =P


My best argument is, if drugs have no point, then why did God create them with empirical medical benefits?

I think drugs do have a point; all the people who deplore drugs should burn all their music; all of their albums, al of their Beatles' records, everything; because all of those musicians and artists that have enhanced peoples' lives throuhout the ages with their music were REAaaaaaAAAALLY high on drugs.

I'm suprised to keep finding people who think the Beatles didn't do drugs; but everyone LOVES the Beatles!

 

[FaithLikeARock]

I'm not a huge Beatles fan actually. Or any band which claimed fame in the 60's or 70's. I prefer classical and I'm fairly sure Mozart wasn't on speed. Though I do also like some more gothic bands...

 

[mpok1519]

you like Shakespeare?

He did lots of drugs.

 

[jgarden]

Its about time a christian debate on marijuana was started.
So lets debate.
Is it ok to smoke as a christian?
Is cannabis in the bible, more specifically use of any kind?
any verses for or against Marijuana use?

Genesis 1:29 clearly states the use of cannabis or other green herbs as food, and or consumption.
Romans 14:14 clears up any issue when it comes to using it around others. And for the last time QUITE SAYING ITS ILLEGAL !!! Our BILL OF RIGHTS clearly states that a federal Law can not TRUMP a state Law.
California has DECRIMINALIZED it !

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Personally, I would decrimminalize all "illegal" drugs since they are all readily available - for a high price.

Its the "high price" that forces addiction to become the major driving force in crime and its the drug lords who are the only "winners" in today's sad drama.
- decrimminalize all drugs
- dramaticall reduce the prices/profits
- drive the drug lords out of business
- put the money previously designated for apprehension and the courts into rehabilitation.