Marijuana

[BigChrisfilm]

That is what he wants you to do, I won't alow him to do it to me though, I know him to well to say he doesn't exist.

 

[neilius73]

As you will. They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions and thats how most people start taking drugs, a friend or collegue may say 'would you like to try this, its cannabis, it makes you high' or 'here try this, it will make you dance till the dawn!' thats how it starts, recreational drug use CAN lead to a life of crime and misery for the person and his/her family.

Still, the bottom line is that addiction is an illness and like any illness should be treated with care and compassion.

 

[bunnysfriend]

if it is ok foe christians to drink alcohol in moderation, then why not weed? itf its used to relax and unwind and does not have an overwhelming effect on your mind then why is it any worse than taking a lavender scented bath?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

what would you consider in moderation for smoking weed?

 

[bunnysfriend]

one joint ant the end of the day every now and again. of a couple shared between freinds. you can smoke weed without becoming stoned. what about taking it for healing purposes?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

one joint ant the end of the day every now and again. of a couple shared between freinds. you can smoke weed without becoming stoned. what about taking it for healing purposes?

What is the purpose of smoking if you are not trying to get high? Also how offten do you just smoke one every now and again at the end of the day?

 

[bunnysfriend]

well when i used to smoke, (i dont anymore as it used to make me paranoid. i felt like god was showing me to stop) i did it about twice a week more or less. sometimes a lot. not every time i smoked did i get stoned. sharing a joint between friends for me was no different from socially drinking in moderation. if i felt myself getting stonned i would stop (sometimes that is, other times i wanted to get stoned).

 

[feo]

what would you consider in moderation for smoking weed?

However much that does not cause addiction

 

[ElijahSK]

bunnysfriend, my point exactly.

For some reason Christianity today has decided to place hedge laws upon people saying Touch not, taste not, handle not. All will perish with the using after the doctrines of men. It has a show of will worship and humility to the neglecating of the body, not to any satifying of the flesh.

If I put pornography in a shop with cigarettes, you will say cigarettes lead to pornography. If you didn't keep marijuana (by DEA admission the safest theraputic drug in existance) in the same shops as you did herion, coke, and XTC maybe you'd stop the gateway syndome. Well, maybe is a light way of putting it. You would stop the gateway syndome. And why is it illegal? Racism, lies, and greed.

Can you seriously say marijuana is harmful with a clear conscience? Did you know it was used in over 2/3rd of all perscription drugs before it was made illegal? Did you know that according to US Govt statistics it has caused 0 deaths since as long as we have kept records. That's a far cry from the hundreds of thousands that die every year because alcohol and cigarettes.

No scripture is against it. Only laws based on lies, greed, and
racism. And those corporation that get their pay checks from echoing the science falsely so called produced by the government.

Fact: Marijuana is less addictive than coffee or chocolate. The only reason you would find yourself unable to control yourself is from watching the brainwashing of a DARE show.

Many people use it as a cheap medicine for everything from AIDS to brain cancer to pain killers. And it actually works. Go figure. It's impossible to overdose. The only problem most people have with it is they get put in jail for a peaceful crime of excerising choice and the right of self-regulation. Once that happens our society strips them of all dignity and forcing them into ever deeper cycles of addiction. Going from a benign substance like weed to ever harder things to get a fix.

The purpose of this topic was to give me a reason not to start smoke when it became legal. All I have heard was people encouraging me to start smoking again. And showing me that by even asking such a question is anti-Christian. Why? Because it's a sin and it's of satan? Excusing me for rofl. That is the answer I'm looking for but without any basis in scripture. So please, you would quite easily solve the question of this topic if you would show 1 scripture about it being a sin or a creation of the devil.

As for coke, if you were to eat the cocoa leaves like the Mayas did to stay awake long nights and work, I have no problem. Cocain on the other hand is purified. Can you guess how many cocoa leaves you are eating in that one line or rail? Glutiny is a sin. I seldom use anything that man assembles from God's creation as far as drugs. Prescription or ones like LCD, XTC, or herion. Man just has a very bad record when it comes to trying to do God's job. Watch a prescription drug commercial. This drug will fix X. Side effects: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H.... I'd rather stick with the God given medicines that need no help from us. They've always proven to be more effective.

And if you learn moderation, and you have the Spirit with its fruit like self-control, there is no reason not to use it occasionally once it is legal. Why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience? If God never convicts me about it, and He is the one I will have to stand before and give account to, why am I judged by you anyway? I have a conscience the same as you, but mine has shown me the difference between improper use of God's creation and proper use. When God makes anything, including man. It was made with a purpose in mind. Now you can use it for its rightful purpose or abuse it. Nothing it unclean in itself. But because all of you deem this as unclean it is unclean to you.

Guess I answered my own question. Thank you guys for your answers. Been most helpful.0

 

[BigChrisfilm]

No one on here has told you to start smoking again. Satan has warped your mind big time, I can see it like the light of day. You give no proff that anything you said is true, but yet you tell us to back everything we say up with scripture. First of all, I am a christian, but I was a drug addict before that, so for you to say I have no idea what you are talking about is just stupid. I have probly done more drugs in my life then you have ever seen. The only differance between me and you, is I have been right were you are, thought all the same things you do, and now I have come out of that, and into REALITY. You give yourself alot of credit, I don't use my own feelings, I use god, the holy spirit to tell me what is right and wrong, and believe me, you are way out in the left field of wrong. You don't even try and answer any of my questions because you can't. You only have been repling to others comments, not mine, why is that?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

well when i used to smoke, (i dont anymore as it used to make me paranoid. i felt like god was showing me to stop) i did it about twice a week more or less. sometimes a lot. not every time i smoked did i get stoned. sharing a joint between friends for me was no different from socially drinking in moderation. if i felt myself getting stonned i would stop (sometimes that is, other times i wanted to get stoned).

You have listed one of the really good reasons not to smoke, paranoid, that is not a godly feeling. BTW I do not think you are an addict. ALSO, I agree with only one thing you guys have been saying. Weed is no more harmfull then alcohol or cigs, but you can't argue that point with me, because I put both in the same catagory, I don't drink, smoke, or smoke weed. NONE at all.

 

[MJ421]

And what else could you be doing to HELP SOMEONE ELSE with that money, instead of spending it on your own selfess, fleshly desire?

So we should never be allowed to treat ourselves because that money might be better spent on a hobo? Do you advocate selling off your home and all your possessions to help the needy?

I don't want to be harsh, but I guess we are going to have to go there, because there are people on here that don't need to hear someone tell them they can still use, because it is not ok.

Why?

The bottom line is drugs ruin lifes, not help them, if god wanted us to be in a different state of mind, he would have let us be in it when we were made,

If we were meant to fly, we'ld have been born with wings.

your touch on reality is very slim, you forget, all of us in here thought the same way you did, but we have come to the truth, you are just still fighting it.

What truth? That marijuana is of the devil?

What is the purpose of smoking if you are not trying to get high?

People who use it medicinally take only enough hits to get the physical affects without a strong mental affect.

Other than that, yea, it's taken to acheive some level of conscienceness alteration, but then again, there's nothing wrong with that in an of itself.

You give no proff that anything you said is true, but yet you tell us to back everything we say up with scripture.

Everything he said can be proven. Most of it is common knowledge. I have argued and proven every single point he's made in this topic, and he's spot on.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Really, all I see is you taking what I said out of context, and making it look like you are right, but if you go back and read what he said, vs what I said, it looks atittle different to me. No one can prove any of that stuff, I think there was somthing about rain forests, and oil and just a bunch of non sense. We should not spend SO MUCH MONEY on something that is meant to warp our minds of reality, drugs warp your mind, I know, I used them. period. I am not some bible thumping christian that doesn't know square one about drugs, I have used more than both of you combined if you seriously only use it every now and again, which as far as I am conserned, doesn't happen, because I have never seen anyone do that, but I know alot of people that think that is what they do, they are just lieing to themselves. You asked why, because some people on here can't smoke weed, because it is ruining there lifes, that is why you shouldn't come on here and tell people it's ok. Did I ever say we were meant to fly, you think that I agree with everything you are saying, you don't know me all that well. No, I am not talking about his touch on reality of drugs, I am talking about how drugs have warped his touch on reality, just go look at some of the examples he gives about rain forest and oil and such, you should be able to figure out what I am talking about. Why is there nothing wrong with trying to reach a level of conscienceness alteration?

 

[Akathist]

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