Marijuana

[ElijahSK]

I used marijuana for 1 and a half years daily. 2 months ago I quit cold tuckey without any problem with withdrawals or intense carvings.

Since letting you know my experience and the things I found out about it is offensive, I will just ask the question I was trying to get answered in the first place.

Obviously it's illegal and that is reason not to do it. If it were made legal today, can anyone give me a reason to not go backto using? I can't seem to see any problem with it in my experience. Even knowing people using 35+ years. So if someone could give me a reason that would help me understand why it is so bad, I would be most grateful. I have tried asking my parents, siblings, and friends. Really the only answer I could get was that it was illegal. Without going in to how it became illegal, let's just say I need a better reason.

 

[AngelDove1]

I used marijuana for 1 and a half years daily. 2 months ago I quit cold tuckey without any problem with withdrawals or intense carvings.

Since letting you know my experience and the things I found out about it is offensive, I will just ask the question I was trying to get answered in the first place.

Obviously it's illegal and that is reason not to do it. If it were made legal today, can anyone give me a reason to not go backto using? I can't seem to see any problem with it in my experience. Even knowing people using 35+ years. So if someone could give me a reason that would help me understand why it is so bad, I would be most grateful. I have tried asking my parents, siblings, and friends. Really the only answer I could get was that it was illegal. Without going in to how it became illegal, let's just say I need a better reason.

If you are born again,and have read the WORD the bible.
You would know that we as christians are not to over indulge in any mind alterted substance,even food,or anything else that takes our minds off being focused on Jesus. Llegal or not.

Needing a better reason?
Maybe your not done with it.
Sometimes we find any ole excuse to go back to our gutter.
If your sincere bout quitting,you wouldn't need a reason.
ever heard that saying ?..........

"Better you than me"

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Because I can't smoke without ruining my life, that is a great reason for me, I loose all my money, I loose all my friends, and I loose all my family, I loose my job, and none of this had to do with it being illegal, the things it made me do, now that was illegal.

 

[ephraimanesti]

I used marijuana for 1 and a half years daily. 2 months ago I quit cold tuckey without any problem with withdrawals or intense carvings.

Since letting you know my experience and the things I found out about it is offensive, I will just ask the question I was trying to get answered in the first place.

Obviously it's illegal and that is reason not to do it. If it were made legal today, can anyone give me a reason to not go backto using? I can't seem to see any problem with it in my experience. Even knowing people using 35+ years. So if someone could give me a reason that would help me understand why it is so bad, I would be most grateful. I have tried asking my parents, siblings, and friends. Really the only answer I could get was that it was illegal. Without going in to how it became illegal, let's just say I need a better reason.

MY DEAR BROTHER,

If you are honestly seeking God's will regarding your resumption your drug usage, the Holy Spirit will speak most clearly in your heart regarding God's desires for you in this matter. If, on the other hand, your mind is already made up that you miss getting high enough to resume your drug use irregardless of the spiritual consequences, than there is no way ANY reason given to you for not using will make any difference.
However, i will give you my reason for stopping after 26 years of my life had gone up in smoke: the whole purpose of smoking weed is to alter consciousness--to separate ourselves from reality and see things the way we want to see them, rather than as they are. (If you are happy with the reality God has created, why would you want to change it?) This, of course, plays directly into Satan--the deceiver's--hands, allowing him to slowly but surely lead us away from our Lord and off into the darkness which, as stoners, we take for light. As our Lord says, "The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. But if you eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!"(Matthew 6:22, 23) Your life can either be a satanic delusion or our Lord's glorious reality--it cannot be both, because we "cannot serve two masters."(Matthew 7:24)
As Christians, we are most strongly warned by St. Paul: "DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT YOU ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLS IN YOU? IF ANYONE DEFILES THE TEMPLE OF GOD, GOD WILL DESTROY HIM. FOR THE TEMPLE OF GOD IS HOLY, WHICH TEMPLE YOU ARE."(I Corinthians 3:16,17) i cannot think of anything that more thoroughly "contaminates the Temple" than the THC in weed! Please don't make that mistake. A Christian weedhead is an oxymoron--an impossibility. You can be one or the other--but not both. Don't make the mistake of selling your birthright as Esau did!(Genesis 25:29-34) STAY CLEAN--STAY CHRISTIAN!

IN CHRIST,
ephraim

 

[ElijahSK]

I would like to clarify my position. Or explain but last time I posted the topic with my experiences and reasons why I thought the way I did I was told it was offensive.

I will say this in response to the this brought up. I hope I wouldn't get alerted again because of this. I believe Christians should ot over indulge on any mind alerting substance. Besides two times (which I will not give details of), I always used in moderation based on this principle. The thing I can't understand is people saying any use at all is wrong. The law would be enough but I am at variance with the law because why it was put into the books, which it is offensive for me to tell you how it got in there so I'll leave this point with that.

If you can't smoke without it ruining your life, I would say it would be very wise for you to quit, and more power to you. But this was not my problem. And truly, someone people can't eat with it ruining their lives. Or drink coffee, or many other things legal or not. I would always tell someone how can not do something in a way used to glory God that they should stop.

Again if you have been using for 26 years or one week and you have the first intonation of putting it before God and His order, do not do it. No matter what it is. The whole purpose I smoked was not to alter conscienciousness. More to make friends, sleep after getting home late from work, even to give myself some pep and be able to work better while cleaning up in Slidell/New Orleans after the hurricane. I had the first house on the block with multiple trees down completely cleared of debris in 2 days. I believe God gave me strength to complete the work for them quickly. And He allowed me to use mj to maintain a joyful mindset even while doing all that manual labor by myself. I also used it to stop drinking alcohol and curb my cigarette habit (both which kills hundreds of thousands a year). As far as defiling the body, (I hope it is not offensive to state this fact) THC has caused 0 deaths in the history of the world. In fact, God made you with cannabinoid receptors throughout the body to make use of THC. They regulate and help to fix many bodily functions. God gave Adam and Eve every plant bearing seed to eat for food. That includes this one, which just happens to have the highest consentrations on amino acids necessary to carry on life.

Now if you have a problem with using in moderation and wise use of anything including this you should cease use immediately. But for me this was never a problem. The only problem I have ever had was my conscience has never told me it was wrong. The Spirit has never convicted me about use. I quit because it is illegal, and don't plan on resuming use until it is made legal.

I guess I should just forget about getting a real answer. I don't want to offend anyone further, and there is no way you can understand where I'm coming from without me getting alerted and kicked off the site. And there is no way I will be able to find an exceptable answer from any of you because we had very different experiences and the Bible is practical hushed on the topic. So thanks anyway.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Think of it like this, do you NEED to smoke weed, do you spend ALOT of money on it. And what else could you be doing to HELP SOMEONE ELSE with that money, instead of spending it on your own selfess, fleshly desire? I don't want to be harsh, but I guess we are going to have to go there, because there are people on here that don't need to hear someone tell them they can still use, because it is not ok.

 

[ElijahSK]

Think of it like this, do you NEED to smoke weed, do you spend ALOT of money on it. And what else could you be doing to HELP SOMEONE ELSE with that money, instead of spending it on your own selfess, fleshly desire? I don't want to be harsh, but I guess we are going to have to go there, because there are people on here that don't need to hear someone tell them they can still use, because it is not ok.

Yea, definately don't help in the least. Good argument though, use the same one for people going to a building and calling it a church instead of meeting house to house like they did in the first three centuries of the Christian church which we are commanded to follow.

I would tell you why the argument is not relavant but that would obviously be offensive considering the first time I posted this thread I also posted my experiences and qualifications of my arguments and got warned for it. And to tell you why your argument almost entirely doesn't apply to me on this issue I would have to cover that ground again. So like I said I'll just forget about getting an exceptable answer to this issue. Thanks nonetheless

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Well I don't see how my arguement has anything to do with church, neither I do I see how anything has anything to do with the examples you have been giving out, it sounds like a bunch of ranting to me, what does drugs have anything to do with the rain forest, and oil, and what does my reply to you have anything to do with church? You will not offend me, Send me a PM if you think it won't be aloud in this thread, then I will post my thoughts, regardless, I think everyone should know that you didn't answer my question in the least, all you did was discredit by using a steriotypical put down of the church, which has nothing to do with anything at all.

 

[AngelDove1]

I would like to clarify my position. Or explain but last time I posted the topic with my experiences and reasons why I thought the way I did I was told it was offensive.

I will say this in response to the this brought up. I hope I wouldn't get alerted again because of this. I believe Christians should ot over indulge on any mind alerting substance. Besides two times (which I will not give details of), I always used in moderation based on this principle. The thing I can't understand is people saying any use at all is wrong. The law would be enough but I am at variance with the law because why it was put into the books, which it is offensive for me to tell you how it got in there so I'll leave this point with that.

If you can't smoke without it ruining your life, I would say it would be very wise for you to quit, and more power to you. But this was not my problem. And truly, someone people can't eat with it ruining their lives. Or drink coffee, or many other things legal or not. I would always tell someone how can not do something in a way used to glory God that they should stop.

Again if you have been using for 26 years or one week and you have the first intonation of putting it before God and His order, do not do it. No matter what it is. The whole purpose I smoked was not to alter conscienciousness. More to make friends, sleep after getting home late from work, even to give myself some pep and be able to work better while cleaning up in Slidell/New Orleans after the hurricane. I had the first house on the block with multiple trees down completely cleared of debris in 2 days. I believe God gave me strength to complete the work for them quickly. And He allowed me to use mj to maintain a joyful mindset even while doing all that manual labor by myself. I also used it to stop drinking alcohol and curb my cigarette habit (both which kills hundreds of thousands a year). As far as defiling the body, (I hope it is not offensive to state this fact) THC has caused 0 deaths in the history of the world. In fact, God made you with cannabinoid receptors throughout the body to make use of THC. They regulate and help to fix many bodily functions. God gave Adam and Eve every plant bearing seed to eat for food. That includes this one, which just happens to have the highest consentrations on amino acids necessary to carry on life.

Now if you have a problem with using in moderation and wise use of anything including this you should cease use immediately. But for me this was never a problem. The only problem I have ever had was my conscience has never told me it was wrong. The Spirit has never convicted me about use. I quit because it is illegal, and don't plan on resuming use until it is made legal.

I guess I should just forget about getting a real answer. I don't want to offend anyone further, and there is no way you can understand where I'm coming from without me getting alerted and kicked off the site. And there is no way I will be able to find an exceptable answer from any of you because we had very different experiences and the Bible is practical hushed on the topic. So thanks anyway.

Hi Elijah....
I'm just gonna stick my neck out there and be blunt and bold.


Why are you looking for excuses to use ?
Just do it.You don't need us to give you a reason or give you the excuse.Seems like you've maked up your mind anyways.

If your feeling guilty...GOOD.



"Better You then Me buddy"

If no one agrees with you,Its cuz they know the truth ...and

"The Truth shall set You Free"

Get honest with yourself.... now thats a Concept.

 

[ElijahSK]

Hi Elijah....
I'm just gonna stick my neck out there and be blunt and bold.


Why are you looking for excuses to use ?
Just do it.You don't need us to give you a reason or give you the excuse.Seems like you've maked up your mind anyways.

If your feeling guilty...GOOD.



"Better You then Me buddy"

If no one agrees with you,Its cuz they know the truth ...and

"The Truth shall set You Free"

Get honest with yourself.... now thats a Concept.

Not that I have to defend myself to any of you. You all display the exact attitude that I have seen cause so many to blaspheme the holy name of my creator. Your self-righteousness is not impressive.

And as I already stated. I don't choose to use because it is against the law. And I as a Christian will respect the laws of the land however much in err they prove to be as long as it doesn't violate a command of God.

So how about you not lash out at me because I see a problem that you all are unwilling to see. That is God created something that is good for us and we feel we have the right to stop people from using it because we are ignorant and arrogant in our stance.

Your war on drugs is a war on families. It has no accomplished anything in over 20 years besides adding to the national deficit. You spend over 20 billion a year to put a young adult in a cell with a rapist or murder and wonder why once they get out all they know how to do is rape, murder, and abuse even harder drugs.

Oh how I wish you people would wake up and see the problem. But I doubt that will happen in such a stiff necked obstinate people as we have today. So I'll continue to seek and save that which is lost, and in the meantime let them know of God's goodness and government/modern christianity corruption at the same time. I know from experience it has proven more effective then what I've seen in any church or dare program.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Ok, well you can have your opinion, but once again, your arguments sound alot like someone that is using drugs, they make alot of sense to you, but not much sence to anyone else that isn't using. I am not breaking up families, I am puting them back together, god didn't give us weed plants so that we could smoke them, he gave us all plants to EAT! Coke is made from a plant, do you also think we should be able to use that, heck, think about it, everything on this earth was created by god, but that doesn't mean everything is good. The bottom line is drugs ruin lifes, not help them, if god wanted us to be in a different state of mind, he would have let us be in it when we were made, your touch on reality is very slim, you forget, all of us in here thought the same way you did, but we have come to the truth, you are just still fighting it.

 

[neilius73]

What im about to post here may seem bizarre to most, it even does to me, nevetheless its true.

I have a friend that in his early years trained as a monk from the age of 11 up to the age of 20; when he left in order to get married (this was in 1965).

He first took some LSD in 1971, and since has taken just about every drug imaginable; including smoking weed on a regular basis. I'll call the person John.

I first met John in 1987, i was 14 years old at the time and the guys and gals that i used to hang out with, used to make a mockery of John; for he was always going on about Jesus, by this he earned the nick name Jesus John or sometimes Baptist John.

Fast forward 6 years, and at 20 years old, i started smoking weed myself; me and two friends were leaving a pub one night and couldnt decide which house to go to to have a smoke. Then someone mentioned John, who i have to say, i had forgotten about.
It was the same 'jesus john' that i had met in my teen years.
His house was adorned with crucifixes, bibles, pictures of jesus (some of which he drew himself, very VERY good i must add) and here he was smoking weed with all this christian paraphenalia around him! I had just quit going to church a few months before all this and was, in a word, perplexed by all this, but didnt ask any questions.

John started (or more likely returned) to use Heroin, and as far as im aware, still does to this day(i last saw him about 2 weeks ago) and yet he claims to be a christian.
Maybe he is in his own fashion; he certainly knows the scriptures, but doesnt attend any church.

Now im not condoning drug in any way at all, but has anyone else heard of a christian drug user?

BTW, i have used cannabis in the past, but have never used heroin or injected drugs.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Yea, and at one time I had only used weed. Then pain pills, the coke, and crack, and meth, and mushrooms. Just because someone tells you they are a christian, doesn't mean they are, and remember, even Satan knows the bible, front to back, cover to cover, but he doesn't follow it, so that doesn't mean that since someone thinks they are a christian, they are.

 

[AngelDove1]

What im about to post here may seem bizarre to most, it even does to me, nevetheless its true.

I have a friend that in his early years trained as a monk from the age of 11 up to the age of 20; when he left in order to get married (this was in 1965).

He first took some LSD in 1971, and since has taken just about every drug imaginable; including smoking weed on a regular basis. I'll call the person John.

I first met John in 1987, i was 14 years old at the time and the guys and gals that i used to hang out with, used to make a mockery of John; for he was always going on about Jesus, by this he earned the nick name Jesus John or sometimes Baptist John.

Fast forward 6 years, and at 20 years old, i started smoking weed myself; me and two friends were leaving a pub one night and couldnt decide which house to go to to have a smoke. Then someone mentioned John, who i have to say, i had forgotten about.
It was the same 'jesus john' that i had met in my teen years.
His house was adorned with crucifixes, bibles, pictures of jesus (some of which he drew himself, very VERY good i must add) and here he was smoking weed with all this christian paraphenalia around him! I had just quit going to church a few months before all this and was, in a word, perplexed by all this, but didnt ask any questions.

John started (or more likely returned) to use Heroin, and as far as im aware, still does to this day(i last saw him about 2 weeks ago) and yet he claims to be a christian.
Maybe he is in his own fashion; he certainly knows the scriptures, but doesnt attend any church.

Now im not condoning drug in any way at all, but has anyone else heard of a christian drug user?

BTW, i have used cannabis in the past, but have never used heroin or injected drugs.

Vary sad sad story.....

I'll be prayin or him...

 

[AngelDove1]

Ok, well you can have your opinion, but once again, your arguments sound alot like someone that is using drugs, they make alot of sense to you, but not much sence to anyone else that isn't using. I am not breaking up families, I am puting them back together, god didn't give us weed plants so that we could smoke them, he gave us all plants to EAT! Coke is made from a plant, do you also think we should be able to use that, heck, think about it, everything on this earth was created by god, but that doesn't mean everything is good. The bottom line is drugs ruin lifes, not help them, if god wanted us to be in a different state of mind, he would have let us be in it when we were made, your touch on reality is very slim, you forget, all of us in here thought the same way you did, but we have come to the truth, you are just still fighting it.

Bravo BigChris....
we're on the same page bud.
Liked what you had to say...

 

[AngelDove1]

Yea, and at one time I had only used weed. Then pain pills, the coke, and crack, and meth, and mushrooms. Just because someone tells you they are a christian, doesn't mean they are, and remember, even Satan knows the bible, front to back, cover to cover, but he doesn't follow it, so that doesn't mean that since someone thinks they are a christian, they are.

Its all in the walk ...(your talk).

 

[BigChrisfilm]

I pray for all drugs addicts to come to christ, even recovering addicts are missing this very important thing, I wish I could help them all, please, pray to god, and tell him that you want to know, in all sencarity, if you should be using weed. Then start reading your bible, he will lead you to the answer, I just hope you are ready for it.

 

[neilius73]

Vary sad sad story.....

I'll be prayin or him...

Yes it is. The man is a sad case and i hope he finds his God.

I understand you bigchrisfilm, i cant say that ive done all the drugs you list there, but there is a link in smoking cannabis leading to harder drugs. It did with me, I started smoking ciggarettes.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

That is because Satan is the route of addiction, he is satisfied with us smoking weed, it is a gate way to other drugs. Satan uses it to convince you that there is nothing wrong with just trying out something different, when the time is right he will bite you, and you will be thrown into a life of saddness, I pray all find christ before Satan finds you.

 

[neilius73]

That is because Satan is the route of addiction, he is satisfied with us smoking weed, it is a gate way to other drugs. Satan uses it to convince you that there is nothing wrong with just trying out something different, when the time is right he will bite you, and you will be thrown into a life of saddness, I pray all find christ before Satan finds you.

If you replace the word 'satan' with 'Ego', I totally agree with you.