Marijuana?

[Cre8]

http://www.realityspoken.com/marijuana

 

[ottaia]

It might help keep some of the colateral violence of the drug trade down also. We keep taling about the need to raise funds to run the government, so tax pot.

We have seen how well it works to make things illegal to stop them. Because of laws, we now have no prostitution, no one uses drugs, and there are the prohibition worked wonders! Let's learn from our past.

 

[Im_A]

http://www.realityspoken.com/marijuana

the issue of pot. this is one i'm very heatedly against.

learning about the toxins in pot, replaces feel good cells in your brain and leads to an addiction, makes me look very down on pot. but this is a complicated one to justify any angst towards because EVERYTHING can be addictive. pop, coffee, cigs, alcohol.

my dad was into drugs. he grew pot. it ruined my family. i'm biased BIG TIME against it. i'm thankful that my dad has turned his life around and became a good man, but the fact is, this substance destroyed my family. it was an evil drug that helped him cope with difficult times with being drafted to Vietnam and other very personal bad things that happened. i'm biased big time as i said, for this very reason to start off.

i did pot for a time. it would make me feel good, then the come down would be depression and thoughts of suicide. i either got too high, pot has a bad reaction with my brain more than others, or it mixed with an emotional problem at the time i did that i may have had.

the whole natural argument is bogus to me. smoke some poison ivy, i'm sure that will give a "high" and it's natural too. and if pot is ok because of the natural aspect of it, i'm sure eating mushrooms that come out of cow dung is just fine for you too.

yes i'm heavily against pot, not even to say that the smell of it, i can't stand, and it makes me slightly angry.

but the site made a simple, but interesting point. to make pot illegal because it's a drug, but yet drugs are legal in the states, ie nicoteine, alcohol, caffeine, sugar, prescription drugs, so on and so forth, what gives the justification to deny something being legal?

well personally, i see it as how things disable you. alcohol does disable you, but there is a limit, before your not safe with alcohol. it's been proven with tests, not theories. i'd imagine pot would have to be the same, or at least, the idea of what it does to the brain, that through scientific method, once can come to a common idea of whether something should be illegal or not.

the hypocrisy the author of that gave tho is kind of illogical. alcohol is legal, pot isn't, thus something that is legal, is going to have more good and bad reactions to it because it is more widely used, and the reactions are shown. there is no hypocrisy to me, because a legal drug has more distribution to the everyday person, and it's unfair comparision, just as some would compare cigarettes to pot.

i understand the reasoning that some give, and can see their points as well. drug is a drug period.

but in the end, i am adamantly happy that pot is illegal, and will support our government through voting or support any other country that makes pot illegal or any other drug illegal. the people in charge must have a right concern to make something illegal. the people in charge that leave it legal, must have an interesting reason to leave it legal (i say interesting cause it's beyond me from the above reasonings.) i highly doubt alcohol will ever become illegal again. there is health benefits to it, under control and moderacy that is. cigarettes i see being banned, but since i am on my way to quitting, i probably won't feel the negative effects of that.

i say, keep pot illegal hypocrite to some, or hypocrite to none

 

[myways]

I started a thread in the general Ethics forum about the same thing, its getting alot of traffic
I'd give you guys a hypertext but I can't really "do computers good 'nuff" to make one. You'll see the thread on my lists of posts in my profile.

thanks, and please drop by
Dave

 

[Buttermilk]

Moved from WWMC to Liberal Theology as per rule 4.2

 

[invisible trousers]

learning about the toxins in pot, replaces feel good cells in your brain and leads to an addiction

Right. You can show us actual scientific evidence of this?

 

[Im_A]

Right. You can show us actual scientific evidence of this?

give me time. i work tonight and i need to go rummaging through some boxes. my mother and i moved and i have to find the book that i have that mentioned this.

but i work from 7pm to 7am. and i need to look through boxes, so just give me some time. i'll find it, and i'll go back over the section of this, and give the references.

God Bless! <><

 

[invisible trousers]

If you meant toxins in the smoke itself, then don't bother looking it up. I don't think anyone is going to argue against the fact that burning organic substances creates hydrocarbons which aren't particularily good for you.

This problem can be avoided by eating the plant or using a vaporizer.

 

[GodsNhilist]

I'm lighting a splif as we speak. I don't drink alcohol, not that I am against it. I personally don't care much for hangovers and a couple of tokes after work relieves the stress of the day. It's an anti-anxiety for many people.

I am not promoting it for everyone, and of course if you are not in Canada (as I am) you may face serious legal issues and drug testing, so it might be best to abstain.

 

[acius]

Moved to liberal theology per rule 4.2?

What does a discussion about pot have to do with liberal theology? Anything that some people consider negative or bad needs to get lumped in as liberal. I hate that.....

 

[ottaia]

Moved to liberal theology per rule 4.2?

What does a discussion about pot have to do with liberal theology? Anything that some people consider negative or bad needs to get lumped in as liberal. I hate that.....

Maybe it is a compliment. We are willing to take on the world as it is, not as some someone would have us believe it should be. Let's face it, we may want a perfect world but we have the world we have. God gave us THIS world so we liberals will learn to live in it as best and as faithfully as we can.

 

[Allister]

Cannabis should be legal.

people on drugs are not criminals. they may need psychological help or therapy but putting them in jail does not work. fining them does not work.

If someone wants to smoke/eat etc Cannabis then they should be allowed. personal freedoms.

I understand that young people getting stoned is not seen as a good thing but niether is young binge drinkers or young smokers.

As a responsible adult you should have the right and freedom to do as you please with regards to taking drugs.

the same applies to other drugs.

in my opinion all drugs should be either legalised or de-criminalised.

I understand that drugs can have negative effects on people and families and that it can cause emotive responses and people can be biased. that is understandable and it is fair, but it is wrong.

My friend is in a wheelchair because of a car accident but i dont think motorised thransport should be banned and i dont refuse to use cars. these things happen.

if a drug is causing negative effects.........stop!
if it is not having negative effects then stop when you choose to.
if it is having positive effects then carry on.

it is not just down tothe individual to iterpret these effects, it is sometimes impossible for the users to see the negative effects and in these cases friends and families should step in and help.

the law should not!

In the United Kingdom pubs/clubs/bars and off-licences now have the ability to sell and serve alcohol 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

but cigarettes are being banned in allplaces that serve food and will soon be banned in ALL public places.

hypocracy? i think so.

My government should not be allowed to tell me what i can and cannot do to my own body if i am in a stable sense of mind. even if i am not it shouldn't be allowed to, it should be the families or friends position.

i am not a baby, i don't need to be nannied, i don't want a nanny state.

it is my choice, it is your choice, so leave each other alone, sit down and shut up.

 

[Im_A]

Cannabis should be legal.

people on drugs are not criminals. they may need psychological help or therapy but putting them in jail does not work. fining them does not work.

If someone wants to smoke/eat etc Cannabis then they should be allowed. personal freedoms.

I understand that young people getting stoned is not seen as a good thing but niether is young binge drinkers or young smokers.

As a responsible adult you should have the right and freedom to do as you please with regards to taking drugs.

the same applies to other drugs.

in my opinion all drugs should be either legalised or de-criminalised.

I understand that drugs can have negative effects on people and families and that it can cause emotive responses and people can be biased. that is understandable and it is fair, but it is wrong.

My friend is in a wheelchair because of a car accident but i dont think motorised thransport should be banned and i dont refuse to use cars. these things happen.

if a drug is causing negative effects.........stop!
if it is not having negative effects then stop when you choose to.
if it is having positive effects then carry on.

it is not just down tothe individual to iterpret these effects, it is sometimes impossible for the users to see the negative effects and in these cases friends and families should step in and help.

the law should not!

In the United Kingdom pubs/clubs/bars and off-licences now have the ability to sell and serve alcohol 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

but cigarettes are being banned in allplaces that serve food and will soon be banned in ALL public places.

hypocracy? i think so.

My government should not be allowed to tell me what i can and cannot do to my own body if i am in a stable sense of mind. even if i am not it shouldn't be allowed to, it should be the families or friends position.

i am not a baby, i don't need to be nannied, i don't want a nanny state.

it is my choice, it is your choice, so leave each other alone, sit down and shut up.

but oddly enough, it's still our choices whether it is legal or not. so what's the difference?

illegal, things stay like this, legal, we don't feel like a baby?

and you feel like a baby because, the law says you can't do it and it has a harsh punishments if you get caught? the law doesn't say it's immoral, that's up to the individual. it's just against the laws of the united states, nothing more nothing less. you can make the choice to believe whatever you do believe about it without big brother giving you hints

whoever said that drug users were evil people?

(btw. i'm heavily against legalizing it, and heavily against pot period. but i don't believe pot smokers are bad people. i've had had/have friends that do it, i just won't be around it myself.)

there are a few things positive that i guess i can see with legalizing it. it would reduce flow of money to drug dealers who use drugs "criminally"(is that even a word? but you get my point.) i mean another way to see it, the government would make a lot of money by legalizing it by taxing it very high. and it does seem odd, that Nixon passed the drug laws, during the time, the people who were doing the drugs, or at least many of them, were against the Vietnam War (ie the hippie movement.)

they legalize it, they can tax it.

 

[Allister]

but oddly enough, it's still our choices whether it is legal or not. so what's the difference?

is it? i never had a choice. no one did. the governments are the people who banned it,

and it does seem odd, that Nixon passed the drug laws, during the time, the people who were doing the drugs, or at least many of them, were against the Vietnam War (ie the hippie movement.)

the people don't choose our laws.

illegal, things stay like this, legal, we don't feel like a baby?

its not about feeling like a baby is about removing an unjust law and giving people their human right to choose what they consume.

the law doesn't say it's immoral,

No it doesn't but the law directly influences the mass media, ie newspapers and television broadcasters, and these companies will not print something directly in opposition to the laws of the land. to be fair some news journalists publish articles opposing the government but only within a safe boundary.

anyway.........these companies, generally, reflect the views and ideologies of the laws, the government, the capital owners etc and this includes drugs.

drugs that are illegal will therefore be reflected in a negative way.

this will influence its audience, directly, either by reinforcing a persons view one way or the other.

People, generally, who have no understanding of drugs and who are never influecned by it or made aware of it will normally take the view of their newspaper, i.e (in UK) the mail, the sun, the gaurdian, the times.

that type of person is normally middle class and either middle aged or retired.

this leads to peoples ideas of morality being determined, either way (libreral, left, right) into the ideologies of their daily newspaper, their choice of news broadcaster (TV, radio, internet)

these corporations follow the ideas of the law (you see it comes back in circles)

Laws shape peoples ideas of morality




remove the law against marijuana (drugs) and these cicles of law influencing media influencing masses doesn't apply. and if it does it wont be in such a demonising way.

they legalize it, they can tax it.

is that all it is......is it just money to you? it not about money, it shouldn't be legalised just to tax it and earn some extra dollars.......its about human freedoms and rights, legalising it becuase it is the correct thing to do.

 

[Im_A]

is it? i never had a choice. no one did. the governments are the people who banned it, the people don't choose our laws.




its not about feeling like a baby is about removing an unjust law and giving people their human right to choose what they consume.





No it doesn't but the law directly influences the mass media, ie newspapers and television broadcasters, and these companies will not print something directly in opposition to the laws of the land. to be fair some news journalists publish articles opposing the government but only within a safe boundary.

anyway.........these companies, generally, reflect the views and ideologies of the laws, the government, the capital owners etc and this includes drugs.

drugs that are illegal will therefore be reflected in a negative way.

this will influence its audience, directly, either by reinforcing a persons view one way or the other.

People, generally, who have no understanding of drugs and who are never influecned by it or made aware of it will normally take the view of their newspaper, i.e (in UK) the mail, the sun, the gaurdian, the times.

that type of person is normally middle class and either middle aged or retired.

this leads to peoples ideas of morality being determined, either way (libreral, left, right) into the ideologies of their daily newspaper, their choice of news broadcaster (TV, radio, internet)

these corporations follow the ideas of the law (you see it comes back in circles)

Laws shape peoples ideas of morality




remove the law against marijuana (drugs) and these cicles of law influencing media influencing masses doesn't apply. and if it does it wont be in such a demonising way.




is that all it is......is it just money to you? it not about money, it shouldn't be legalised just to tax it and earn some extra dollars.......its about human freedoms and rights, legalising it becuase it is the correct thing to do.

even tho the law says its illegal, when i used to do pot, i had plenty of ways of getting something that was illegal. something being illegal doesn't stop people making a choice to consume it or not. if someone gets caught, the law has punishment for that. it doesn't stop anyone from doing anything and it doesn't invade any human rights. just as everyone says, there is an effect for our actions. in america, if your caught consuming pot, you have an effect and that's punishment.

this is another reason why i see the pointless of the legalizing it. the side of it being drug and compared to other drugs that are legal, makes more sense. but legalizing it doesn't give people the choice to consume it. of course it's not about money, but if pot was not being consumed, i would believe your argument, but since it is being used ALL THE TIME, i have no reason to believe it.

so are you wanting the law to take away the punishments for doing it?

i don't believe the punishment should be severe for a drug user (of any type of drug.) i believe the law should give treatment for the first several convictions of drug use. not a fine/jail time. that does nothing. or putting a college pot smoker in jail with someone that has committed were crimes (crimes as described by the law.) and while i'm at it, it should be law enforced treatment, to where if the person doesn't go to treatment, they get into serious trouble. yes we have it, but it takes so many convictions of drug use to get to that phase. i believe treatment should be enforced on the first conviction if they are going to leave pot illegal.

 

[Amurphycat]

I think the main idea should be to not become controlled by pot, that is very bad. You could be controlled by many things that are not substances.

Pot from what I have noticed is not too bad, but can be if you choose it as a lifestyle. I love the natural highs of living, on No drugs or alchohol and recommend that to anyone. Though life is full of constant ups and downs, and sometimes having a drink or a puff can lighten things up.

You are a bit right to compare the natural idea to other natural things that don't do anything. But being so, it is from the earth and not choped in a lab. Have you ever heard about the things that go into Meth(its horrible, but things you can buy over the counter). NO Drugs, is the best policey. I think that marijuana(from MY experience) is quite simple, and though I would recommend against it(especially when it appears to be a problem) i cannot fully find it to be extremely harmful and think that being overly intoxicated with alcohol to be far far worse(but thats perfectly legal).

Its a hard idea to put into terms, Pot works for some people, but definatly does not for others. Some people don't like it.

 

[MQTA]

I wonder how many people go to services high

 

[Lignoba]

It might help keep some of the colateral violence of the drug trade down also. We keep taling about the need to raise funds to run the government, so tax pot.

We have seen how well it works to make things illegal to stop them. Because of laws, we now have no prostitution, no one uses drugs, and there are the prohibition worked wonders! Let's learn from our past.

Lol sarcasm at its finest!

 

[invisible trousers]

edit: whoops

 

[ILoveYeshua]

Matthew 15:10-12
(10) And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
(11) Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
(12) Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?