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Do you believe you are more righteous than Mary?
Do you believe scripture which tells us that the prayers of the righteous are powerful and effective?
Ah, Luther's snow covered dung heap. Still smells just as bad.Actually, truth be told, I have the imputed righteousness of God in me through His grace. I am, therefore, just as righteous as Jesus Christ, as is every other believer in Jesus Christ, Mary included.
Ah, Luther's snow covered dung heap. Still smells just as bad.
Ah, Luther's snow covered dung heap.
Still smells just as bad.
Actually, truth be told, I have the imputed righteousness of God in me through His grace. I am, therefore, just as righteous as Jesus Christ, as is every other believer in Jesus Christ, Mary included.
Actually, truth be told, I have the imputed righteousness of God in me through His grace. I am, therefore, just as righteous as Jesus Christ, as is every other believer in Jesus Christ, Mary included.
If bbbbbbb had the righteousness of Christ or even the saints, I would expect his prayers to be healing the sick and raising the dead. I have witnessed that kind of righteousness in some people and the impact of their prayers.If you thought that remark was awfully cute, it wasn't. Just tell us that you can save yourself and let it go at that.
It might be, but it's hard to argue against the point that you can't beat going straight to God himself.
Albion said:In addition, it does no good to pray to people who aren't in heaven,
Albion said:Most people doing the praying don't know this and actually think that the saint will and can help them. I hold responsible any church that encourages such devotions.
AMEN!! And why are you so sure you have it right?
Again...so what?
LOL...nice job finding SOMEONE who says what you believe the entire universal church believes...
LOL...again, quote pulling to dismiss context, love it.
P.S didnt we talk about WHAT the immaculate heart of Mary was? hmmmm....
The Immaculate Heart of Mary is a devotional name used to refer to the interior life of the Blessed Virgin Mary, her joys and sorrows, her virtues and hidden perfections, and, above all, her virginal love for God the Father, her maternal love for her son Jesus, and her compassionate love for all people
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Devotion To the Heart of Mary
No, I expect you to view the entire context of the passage/chapter/book in light of history, context and peoples it was directed to. That's the problem protestants pull passages and stretch them to fit their personal interpretation of scripture...that is my point.
She said it,
ask her when you get there...
I wouldnt doubt anyone's level of compassion...aren't we taught to forgive? To have compassion...
perhaps YOU would have difficulty, that doesnt mean everyone would.
You have the internet, look it up...do you expect me to spoonfeed you everything... LOL!!
That isnt THE Rosary, that is a devotional chaplet...regardless, AGAIN...what IS the heart of Mary?
The Immaculate Heart of Mary is a devotional name used to refer to the interior life of the Blessed Virgin Mary, her joys and sorrows, her virtues and hidden perfections, and, above all, her virginal love for God the Father, her maternal love for her son Jesus, and her compassionate love for all people
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Devotion To the Heart of Mary
My interpretation comes from using logic, reasoning, prayer to God to give me wisdom through the holy spirit to reveal the truth of the scriptures and not trying to read my own ideas into the scriptures.
When I showed you that the woman in Revelation 12 was Israel using scripture, I also showed you your belief that it was Mary and the church was logically flawed, all you could say was that you interpreted it differently. You never gave a reason.
We need the heart of Christ not of Mary. Did you realize this Fatima apparition called Jesus "the child Jesus"? Only one problem.. Jesus isn't a child anymore!
Except it wasn't used later...
Not giving a reason does not logically mean they cannot or that there isn't.
False. A child is also, by definition, the offspring of someone.
Adulthood does not negate the fact that we are still the children of others, even if we've moved beyond the age of 11.
okay, show me where.
Yep already knew that. Why did you assume that is what I believed?
I never said child didn't mean offspring of someone. I said he was no longer a child, meaning he wasn't a little boy anymore.
"By 1925 Lucia, who was now 18, had become a postulant with the Sisters of St. Dorothy at Pontevedra in Spain, and on Thursday 10 December, the Blessed Virgin, accompanied by the Child Jesus on a little cloud,"
He's the son of God, he's the son of Mary, but who else's child is he? He's not my child, he's my saviour.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Timothy 2:5
Do you think that come the last judgement you will stand before God just as you are right now (or as you will be at the moment of your death, the two are essentially the same, right?) and God will declare you perfect and righteous and you will remain exactly as you are at that time? No change, no actual perfection, only the imputed righteousness of Christ? Is that how it worked for all the saints all through history, they stand before God unchanged internally, having been clothed with a garment of righteousness but not having been changed inside to actually be righteous?
People want Christ without the Cross. That is something the Church made clear this past week. Interior change from Him is needed.
If bbbbbbb had the righteousness of Christ or even the saints, I would expect his prayers to be healing the sick and raising the dead. I have witnessed that kind of righteousness in some people and the impact of their prayers.
No one on this forum fits that description, least of all me.
My post did.
Because it is the content of your argument.
Your argument says he wasn't a child based on a specific definition. The problem is that it fails against another.
God's theophanies have been in many shapes and forms. He can appear in however He pleases. Furthermore, if He wishes to appear as Himself as He was a child, that's His prerogative. Who are we to limit God like this?
Your argument misses the point.
See the above. The point of the verse is being missed
I understand the point of the verse. I was using to show that Jesus is no longer a child and that he is not my son but my saviour.
and is being misused.
see above
Don't claim logic when logic isn't used in your own posts.
Please use it yourself before accusing someone of not using it.
Moe, as for Revelation 12, we can talk about this a bit but you will have to bare with me, ok?
what does the Red Dragon represent?
It represents satan.
Did it occur to you the reason I brought it up again was to coax a better answer from him. In your mind it seems that me saying "you never gave a reason" somehow equates to me saying "you cannot give me a reason or you don't have a reason".
My definition was specifically meaning little boy which is the same way it is being used in the quote I gave which is specifically in reference to Jesus being a little boy. The fact that it fails against another definition is irrelevant since it is not the one being used.
We shouldn't limit God but that doesn't mean because God can do something, that he has done that or would do that.
My question was not related to the point being made. You made a claim, I'm asking you a question regarding that claim.
I understand the point of the verse. I was using to show that Jesus is no longer a child and that he is not my son but my saviour.
see above
Please use it yourself before accusing someone of not using it.
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