Marchers for Science protest 'alarming' anti-science trends

[xianghua]

I explain repeatedly that if they want me to accept their beliefs they have to show me evidence that it’s an accurate description of the universe.

are you talking about creationism or ID in general?

 

[Subduction Zone]

are you talking about creationism or ID in general?

Two peas in a pod. Both religious beliefs that are not supported by evidence. Also both shown to be wrong.

 

[tas8831]

All these jobs coming back into America,

Such as?

our military recovering from Obama's neglect

Veteran, are you?
I am. Served when Ronnie Ray-gun was president. Big old build up. Despite all those years of bulging budgets, and despite being in a 'showcase' QRF unit, we still drove around in 30-year old trucks, used mortar carriages with pull-start motors from the Korean War era, etc. - but by golly, we had Star Wars a'comin! What "neglect" are you talking about? The neglect that the GOP and Fox and Breitbart told you there was? We still outspent the next 10 or so other countries - most of which are out allies! Where do you suppose all that money went?

Isis destroyed, N.Korea in check, prisoners freed, terrorist attacks on U.S.soil at an all time low since 9-11, wages going up. You have to be blind not to see the progress Trump has made despite the evil resistance from socialists in both parties. I've made more money under Trump's administration than under any other President. So you would want me to vote away my freedom and prosperity under Trump's America to vote for a socialist who will strip me of all my civil rights and push me into stricken poverty?
I don't think so!!

Oh, Dems want to confiscate private property. This is what you support.

Confiscate private property? You mean eminent domain claims along the border to build the wall that won't slow down the drug trade that DumDum Donny said Mexico would pay for?

Weird how you totally ignored this:

Tell us all, won't you? What is your favorite Christian attribute exhibited by Trump? His disdain for the downtrodden? His hatred of the visitor to our land? His rejection of the sanctity of marriage? His serial adultery? His worship of mammon? His constant bearing of false witness? Do tell!



It is amazing that adults can actually function with such an inability to differentiate between propaganda and reality.

Bye bye.

 

[tas8831]

Well I don't accept that a man can change genetically into a woman.

Who says otherwise?

There is more to genetics (and gender) than just 'chromosomes'.

Unless he lived next door to Chernobyl, maybe?

Um... no...

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who says otherwise?

There is more to genetics (and gender) than just 'chromosomes'.

Um... no...

And even with chromosomes it is not cut and dried. Not everyone is XX or XY. There are also XYY, XXYY, and even XXX combinations. There may be more.

 

[Brightmoon]

And even with chromosomes it is not cut and dried. Not everyone is XX or XY. There are also XYY, XXYY, and even XXX combinations. There may be more.

you forgot chimeras . People who started as fraternal twins but whose cells fused into a single fetus. They’ve got 2 sets of DNA

 

[Subduction Zone]

you forgot chimeras

As I said there may be more, such as XXY or :

Klinefelter syndrome - Wikipedia

And this ignores the people that have regular XX or XY whose brain functions mimic those of the opposite sex. Gender is not cut and dried no matter what one's approach. The fact that they are a small minority is no excuse to persecute them.

 

[USincognito]

There is the whole "homosexuality is genetic" thing. I have yet to see one homosexual relationship pass along genes of any kind. Apparently their science consists of, "Because you're an evil bigot if you don't believe it.".

I have a condition with a genetic component, and I have the associated gene variant, yet no one in my family my condition nor has anyone going back generations.

Something can have a genetic component and not be heritable.

 

[USincognito]

Marchers for Science protest 'alarming' anti-science trends

Of course on the internet we can find all sorts of ridiculous things. But how about in our actual personal encounters? I know a few climate change deniers and a few who believe in the literal Genesis account of creation. But no flat earthers or moon landing deniers.

I have had two coworkers that I know of over the past 10 years, one of which was a flat earther (or was swayed towards the argument) and the other was a YEC. The flat earther was not a super bright guy, but he was a good dude so I didn't get into it with him much. I did show him the ISS going overhead one day and didn't seem to know what to think.

The YEC was pretty cocky and unfortunately for him, his support for YEC was largely based on PRATTs and I would have eviscerated him had we debated. Another of my coworkers apparently did get into it with him and he had very simplistic objections to evolution rather than actual support for YEC.

 

[USincognito]

I have read all kinds of data, just not your data.

Data are data. They are not the sole provenance of a single individual.

There are many people who do not buy into Man-made global warming, the issue is those who will not bow down and worship some professor, or, politician (both of which are in it for themselves) are ostracized.

That is some lovely and not doubt sleep helping narrative, but the fantasy those who understand the evidence supporting AGW are somehow under the Svengali-like control of an individual scientist or worse a politician is laughable. Science is evidence based, not authority based.

The other reason is looking at who supports this in DC...AOC, Omar, Sanders, Warren, Booker, that alone is enough to make me a skeptic.

If your argument against AGW is in any way rooted in rejecting it because people you don't like accept it, then it's hard to take it seriously. It's on par with 'global warming is a hoax because Al Gore is a fat hypocrite'.

Additionally, it has become to sensational, everything is now related to climate change, when things become to sensational, they usually are not true.

I think I'm seeing the problem. You're getting your opinion on global warming based on stuff you see in the media and whether you don't like politicians who accept it. That's not a good way to evaluate the scientific validity of a scientific conclusion.

 

[USincognito]

"That was not the question. Do you accept the Greenhouse Effect?"

No, unlikely on a planet wide scale.

Ever heard of Venus?
Venus and the Greenhouse Effect

 

[USincognito]

I do not believe that the current warming trend is due to AGW.

The big issue on AGW, speaking for myself, is that it has become to sensational, examples:

-to hot global warming
-to cold global warming
-no rain global warming
-to much rain global warming
-above average hurricane season global warming
-average hurricane season global warming
-flooding global warming
-no flooding global warming
-good fishing season global warming
-poor fishing season global warming

I could go on for an hour, but I think you get my point.

Yeah, they seem to be talking points from Fox or talk radio. Let's address each of them briefly and have an actual conversation about them.

- Yes, global warming is causing and increase in overall temperature including heat waves.
- No, global warming does not cause cold snaps or winter weather, but it causes disruptions to weather patterns which can allow for regional cold snaps and winter weather. The severer winters that parts of the mid-West have been suffering through lately are not directly from global warming, but because the Polar Vortex is slipping out of it's normal location in the arctic. Meanwhile it's positively tepid in Alaska.
- Droughts can result from global warming, but droughts are more effected by regional weather patterns and geography. The Atacama desert in Peru has not been rained on in 20,000,000 years and most of that time was during an ice age.
- Increases in rain and snowfall on the other hand are more closely related to global warming because the warmer earth means the oceans are warmer and evaporate faster allowing more water vapor to cycle up to the atmosphere and out as snow and rain.
- No one claims that an average or less than average hurricane season is an indicator for global warming, and many Americans think that the Atlantic hurricane season is the entirety of tropical cyclonic activity in the world. There are four other seasons, east and west northern Pacific, southeastern Pacific and Indian Ocean.

Well for most of decade of the 70's science predicted another ice age, didn't happen. Scientist who supported the introduction of the metric system predicted the fall of the United States, and it would return the nation to the middle ages if we didn't do it.

Neither of those things ever happened. As far as the 70s ice age myth, that was a pop culture phenomenon based largely on a few newsmagazine stories and an In Search Of episode. An analysis of the climate research journal articles of the time shows a majority of them predicted warming.
https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1

 

[tas8831]

you forgot chimeras . People who started as fraternal twins but whose cells fused into a single fetus. They’ve got 2 sets of DNA

 

[Hammster]

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Closed. Too much flaming. Too much biased reporting.


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