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No, I'm not being unjust. Everyone has listened to you and each has given you their pov. It's fine to think differently, it's not fine to keep on when you differ. There comes a place where sharing ends and the desire to prove oneself correct comes in - that's the time to stop, with the agreement to disagree.
And you don't have to be in opposition to Paul's teachings, I'm not completely. But he doesn't have final say over things when there is a difference between Torah and/or Yeshua.
For my family keeping is a fast of obedience to The Master of the Universe and an act of loving gratitude to the same.
This...and an act of loving gratitude to the same.
For my family keeping is a fast of obedience to The Master of the Universe and an act of loving gratitude to the same.
because you understand sections of the Scripture differently than some others and since neither side is convinced to change sides after *extensive* discussion, "agreeing to disagree" is a path seeking peace.Jerushabelle said:In what way is telling me that I don't understand Scripture "agreeing to disagree"?
You and I and everyone else are all indebted to the whole Law because we have ALL broken AT LEAST one. Man's conscience can be mis-taught, mis-informed, seared or just plain wrong. If man depended on conscience alone to direct his behavior we would all be living in a living h311. This is why we need G-d's written Instructions. ONLY His Ways and His Thoughts and Intents of heart are pure and righteous.Jerushabelle said:Consider this: if you don't keep the law, all of the law, then you are breaking the law, all of the law. That's why it's okay to be dietary observant or not because in Yeshua we can or not as conscience allows.
LOL
what is possibly blasphemous about that?
because you understand sections of the Scripture differently than some others and since neither side is convinced to change sides after *extensive* discussion, "agreeing to disagree" is a path seeking peace.
You and I and everyone else are all indebted to the whole Law because we have ALL broken AT LEAST one. Man's conscience can be mis-taught, mis-informed, seared or just plain wrong. If man depended on conscience alone to direct his behavior we would all be living in a living h311. This is why we need G-d's written Instructions. ONLY His Ways and His Thoughts and Intents of heart are pure and righteous.
But, that aside. No one here, except you, has said anything about obedience to dietary or any other Laws as salvific. And you, yourself said above "it's okay to be dietary observant or not."
So, now we see that you actually agree with us, and we agree with you. If one calls themselves Messianic it is NOT the same as calling themselves Christian any more than calling themselves Baptist is the same as calling themselves Catholic. With each term comes a claim to membership in a specific community. In the case of Messianic and Christian both are members of the Body of Messiah. Each has a different paradigm from which they approach service and obedience. Christians do so from a Greek paradigm and Messianics do so from a Jewish paradigm. Often neither is tolerant or blesses the other's approach but castigated it instead, or worse takes on the title of the other and then insists on telling them what that community has wrong and how those who hold no allegiance to the paradigm of that community must, nevertheless, accorded all the "rights, privileges and standings" accorded to those who do hold such allegiance. I know that my POV is not PC, but ...
Let there be peace.
I've said my peace. Am I welcome here or not? You call me Sister so I'm thinking maybe you're warming up to me. Speak plainly, please. I've been in defense mode for a very long time. My arm is tired and I'd like to put down my sword for awhile.
Lighten up - Jewbelation is a take off spelling on jubilation - with the connotation of celebration. And not a Jewish festival.
It is a secular product made by Jews who are listing a list of all the "12s" they can think of as part of their marketing their product made with 12 ingredients.
You and I and everyone you know name/honor pagan gods every time we name the day of the week or month, and most stars and constellations.
I know you were not asking me, but I consider you welcome.
And again... just to lighten the mood...
Then We Have An Accord? - YouTube
Jerushabelle said:I've said my peace. Am I welcome here or not? You call me Sister so I'm thinking maybe you're warming up to me. Speak plainly, please. I've been in defense mode for a very long time. My arm is tired and I'd like to put down my sword for awhile.
because you understand sections of the Scripture differently than some others and since neither side is convinced to change sides after *extensive* discussion, "agreeing to disagree" is a path seeking peace.
You and I and everyone else are all indebted to the whole Law because we have ALL broken AT LEAST one. Man's conscience can be mis-taught, mis-informed, seared or just plain wrong. If man depended on conscience alone to direct his behavior we would all be living in a living h311. This is why we need G-d's written Instructions. ONLY His Ways and His Thoughts and Intents of heart are pure and righteous.
But, that aside. No one here, except you, has said anything about obedience to dietary or any other Laws as salvific. And you, yourself said above "it's okay to be dietary observant or not."
So, now we see that you actually agree with us, and we agree with you. If one calls themselves Messianic it is NOT the same as calling themselves Christian any more than calling themselves Baptist is the same as calling themselves Catholic. With each term comes a claim to membership in a specific community. In the case of Messianic and Christian both are members of the Body of Messiah. Each has a different paradigm from which they approach service and obedience. Christians do so from a Greek paradigm and Messianics do so from a Jewish paradigm. Often neither is tolerant or blesses the other's approach but castigated it instead, or worse takes on the title of the other and then insists on telling them what that community has wrong and how those who hold no allegiance to the paradigm of that community must, nevertheless, accorded all the "rights, privileges and standings" accorded to those who do hold such allegiance. I know that my POV is not PC, but ...
Let there be peace.
Lighten up - Jewbelation is a take off spelling on jubilation - with the connotation of celebration. And not a Jewish festival.
It is a secular product made by Jews who are listing a list of all the "12s" they can think of as part of their marketing their product made with 12 ingredients.
You and I and everyone you know name/honor pagan gods every time we name the day of the week or month, and most stars and constellations.
I'm not whom you should ask. That would be the mods. You have chosen an icon that according to board rules strictly limits your activity and posting in this section of the CF fora. Just as our icons thusly limit us in most sections outside of this one.
You are a co-member of the Body of Messiah and thus you remain our sister, always.
Jerushabelle said:I have approached them about correcting that. Some Messianics choose to identify with the cross.
Thank you! I trust then that it will not be suggested again by anyone here that I heave off (more pirate speak) to another forum especially since Sister Lulav gave you a thumbs up.
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