It also depends on the country you are in and their research and manufacturing procedures I myself would depend on what vaccines I would get depending on the country I live in.
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I believe on the whole vaccines are safe for the masses, and a good thing. With that said, my child cannot be vaccinated any longer. She suffered a vaccine injury that has left her with a compromised immune system that may never recover. By immunologist's order, she may not be vaccinated now and maybe never again.
However, I would never advocate "mandatory" vaccination for other children. What I do advocate is accelerating the research into genetics to better ascertain which children vaccines are likely safest for (we will never have a 100% guarantee). If/when parents had a more reasonable assurance their child would not be injured thus suffering reduced quality of life (or no quality of life) for the remainder of their life, then vaccine compliance would soar IMO.
It also depends on the country you are in and their research and manufacturing procedures I myself would depend on what vaccines I would get depending on the country I live in.Well, not really considering the chances of getting many of the diseases now are almost non-existent...even without the vaccine.
However, for that child who will be vaccine damaged, it is not a true statement at all. And I repeat, that you don't know who will be damaged until you vaccinate them. For the damaged child, the risk related to vaccine damage was 100% ....the changes of being damaged my any of the almost non-existent disease are probably much less than 1%.
And actually, most of the diseases are not really that dangerous for healthy children anyway. My generation had the bum measles vaccine where many of my fully vaccinated friends got measles anyway. The didn't die or have life long health problems...they missed two weeks of school sitting in a dark room at home. So then you have to determine the real risk of the disease...like rubella is not a big deal to the kid with the virus...only to any pregnant ladies that the sick child comes in contact with (rubella was declared irradicated in the US in 2004).
The risk to my son of having a seizure before his 6th birthday was just shy of 100% if he ran a temperature. Read the primary side effect of most vaccines...muscle aches at the injection site and fevers.
They will not be able to pass it to another person either.....most people need boosters when a teenager. And it depends aka tetanus as an example are only good 5 - 10 years then need a boosterMany of those pertussis babies have caught the disease from ADULTS who are carrying the virus.
For those of you who are for mandatory vaccines for all, when is the last time you got YOUR boosters as adults. Many of the vaccines we got as children have turned out not to have given lifetime immunity after all. I ended up needing an MMR booster at age 26 when I was getting ready to try having kids because my titers showed I had no immunity anymore. If this is so important to you, please go get your titers and necessary vaccines before you mandate your opinions on my child.
Can I add, a vaccinated person can still be a carrier for a virus....they just won't get sick.
Yes very valid points I am a public health educator and you are right there are many "studies" as some would point out to prove the do not vaccinate point. If you actually start by looking at/critiquing the actual study the cases were picked to prove that MMR causes autism. For many years other scientists and researchers tried to get a similar result but failed. It was a poor decision to publish this it also went against his oath which is why he was left penniless. It just so happens the recommended age to give the vaccine is the same age which autism can start to be seen. For an analogy if someone would say a rooster crowing causes the sun to come up. Kill the rooster and the sun still comes up means the rooster does not make the sun come up. Replace vaccine with rooster and autism with sun and there is the analogy it is just a coincidence.I am not giving medical advice here. I know some here are giving medical advice such as vaccines are very very safe... and i am pro vaccine... my kids are vaccinated... i just want to play devils advocate here...
When we say "vaccines are very very safe" we are only repeating what we have been told by the medical organisations. We repeat that then others agree becuase they have heard the same organisations say it the more people who repeat it then it becomes accepted as fact it becomes the herd mentality
Now where has this herd mentality come from if not from the same medical organisations that conduct the ethical evils of abortion and produce vaccines derrived from abortion... and we trust them when they say they are safe..the same organisation making billions off injections... yet we read stories after story here in the uk of vaccine complications and even deaths... also one of the guys who wrote the medical paper with dr andrew wakefeild that said there maybe a "possible" link between autism and the mmr has been totally exhonerated "quietly" and poor dr wakefeild left pennieless could not afford to fight in court to clearchis name.... like i say i am not giving advice... but it is worth thinking about
This is not about abortion or euthanasia those are taking a life a vaccine is to save and protect life. I don't know where you are getting the vaccines are made of aborted babies, yes they are made/have human parts so that the researchers know it is comparable with the human DNA but its bloodI understand the concern for others... but i didnt make the diseases i dont want to infect other people and i dont want to catch it... but you cant legislate for bad luck... there are many more deaths from traffic accidents are we going to force people to stop driving.... or a better senario... are we going to make cars out of aborted baby flesh because its softer and is less likely to kill someone if we crash into them... well first off i dont think its ethical to have cars made from aborted baby flesh and i am going to question the safty of the car if i crash into a wall. ..... bad stuff happens in life but we cant start forcing people to give up their liberty... you have no right to force me to have the mmr... and i would homeschool but they are going to make that illegal too... so no choice is there?
Despite all the arguments for or against getting a vaccine.... lets break it down to its bare bones
What we are talking about is giving the government the power to force people against their wishes to be injected with whatever the government decides.... i dont trust the government that much... snd you may say oh its only this vaccine or that vaccine.... yes at the minute but what happens when they say every 50yr old has to have an injection to be terminated as they are no longer usefull... or when masses of people are unemployed because robots have takrn their jobs...people selected for iq scores racial identity.... dont you understand these people want control over humanity... they decide who lives...who dies....when or where...thats what abortion is about... its what euthenasia is about... its what the lies about over population are about.... they want to kill you..... oh no our governmemt loves us they care deeply about the children....as they kill millions of childrrn everyday..... They dony care about you your children or anyone they want control over you and your life and your falling for the trap....WAKE UP
This is not about abortion or euthanasia those are taking a life a vaccine is to save and protect life. I don't know where you are getting the vaccines are made of aborted babies, yes they are made/have human parts so that the researchers know it is comparable with the human DNA but its blood
I'm not sure what you mean by your child is permenantly damaged because of the vaccine? If this is the case it is an ultra rare case
I dont know how much truth there is on the fetal tissue.Where do you guys stand on this issue.. its not effecting the uk....yet!! But its going on in the usa other parts of europe and oz. My kids are vaccinated except for the MMR which is made using aborted fetal cells... i picture it as a kind of satanic sacrafice a mockery of the lords sacrafice.... the injection of the flesh and blood of aborted children sacraficed to satan...
I couldnt in good conscions have my children injected it is against my faith... but what if i dont get them vaccinated they will take my children away
Your thoughts guys
Innoculations began in 1963.The MMR II vaccine is propagated in WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts that were obtained from two fetuses aborted in 1964.
See description section second paragraph:
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123789.pdf
Innoculations began in 1963.
I'm having my wisdom teeth removed this afternoon, and I have faith I will survive it despite the fact that kids have died during the procedure. I actually just read about this lovely girl who is the exact same age as me and looks like she could be my doppelgänger who went into cardiac arrest and later died after having her wisdom teeth removed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-teen-dies-after-dental-procedure/ I pleaded with my mom to let me not do the surgery, mainly because the only irrational phobia I've ever had in my life relates to dental procedures and this cranked my anxiety up to the imploding point. She said no, because it's necessary, and the risk of anything happening to me is still microscopically small. She's not one to win over with irrational pleas, and my dad is even less willing to be budged by them. We partake in the beautiful and exhilarating things that involve risk. We just got back from cruising in Antigua, where I also went sky diving. We survived the flight despite people having died in plane crashes, the cruise despite being having died on them, diving and playing in the waters despite teens recently being bitten by sharks and others having died by it, and sky diving despite parachutes having malfunctioned and people plummeting to their deaths. We should also partake in the banal and less pleasant things that involve risk but provide benefit, especially with the risks and benefits extend beyond ourselves.
Bathtubs and beds actually cause more injury to kids than vaccines, yet you never hear of Anti-Bathers or Anti-Bedders. Car accidents are ubiquitous, and the chance of being in one is exponentially higher than ever having an adverse reaction to a vaccine. Earlier this year there was a story on the news about this 23-year-old beautiful pregnant woman who was driving her Jeep Liberty, and due to a malfunction in it when she was crashed into from behind her car exploded and she and her unborn baby were incinerated. It's indisputably, indescribably tragic, but extraordinarily rare. So are life-impairing vaccine injuries. The "Vaccine Court" has awarded over two billion dollars to families who've been injured by vaccines over a 25+ year period. In some cases, medical advances later showed that genetic problems unknown at the time were actually what caused the problems rather than the vaccines themselves. In others the vaccines really did cause the harm. It's still but a thimble full in comparison to what automakers have paid out due to malfunctions in their products. In 2014 GM began its expansive compensation plan for victims of 2.6 million defective small cars any accidents in which the air bags in the cars failed to deploy, and was expected to be over $7 billion. That was for one problem.
There's risk everywhere, in everything, everyday. There are risks in vaccines. There are personal and communal risks to not vaccinating. I have compassion for those who are injured from vaccines. I also have compassion for those who are sick due to vaccine-preventable diseases. My life has been significantly impacted by them. I was born very prematurely, and as a fragile baby was scooped up by my brother's deliberately unvaccinated friend who had the chickenpox. He was four and snuck out of his own house and into ours when he saw my brother. He wasn't at fault, but this happened in 1998 when the vaccine was already available. I had severe complications from it that put me into the hospital for a long time. I later was diagnosed with Addison's Disease, which is virtually extinct now but used to be more commonly caused by tuberculosis infections destroying the adrenal gland. Because of my incompetent immune system I've been a human sponge picking anything up. I am at the mercy of the herd! I've had chickenpox, shingles, and whopping cough so far, things more common for people born at the end of the 19th century than the 20th. I also was peripherally exposed to the measles (didn't ever get it, thankfully) earlier this year and had to miss out on my last YAGP of my dance career because of a cautionary quarantine. A few years ago I also had whopping cough that was brutal, agonizing, and life-halting and took more than three months to fully recover from. It feels like having a tight corset around your chest and shards of glass in your lungs, all day, every day, for months. You don't appreciate the beauty and simplicity of breathing until you can't. I live in California and we are having a whopping cough epidemic with rates higher than they have been in 70 years, and that's been directly linked to the low vaccination rates. A preschool aged sibling got it and that caused an outbreak at a secondary school despite all the kids having received boosters. No vaccine has a 100% efficacy rate, which is why herd immunity is crucial.
I personally don't think vaccines should be mandatory but am in full support of them being requirements for attending any preschool, school, college, or camp, or participating in sports, dance, Scouts, and group activities, unless a licensed physician has provided a clear medical reason for an exemption. I'm starting Stanford in September, and your choices are you either submit your proof of immunization by June 30, you submit your doctor's letter explaining why you are exempt from the required vaccinations, or you don't go. Simple as that. It's mandatory for enrollment. My secondary school was exactly the same. Theatrics and hyperbole and Mercola are not indulged. There is a process at the school and Stanford where you can submit a form appealing the requirements on philosophical or religious grounds, but it has very strict criteria and few ever make it through. On Cardinal Connect we were talking about this, and there's basically like a better chance of hitching a ride on a flying pig. It would be nice if all schools could still offer such a process, but it's just not practical due to the time it would require.
Get well soon. Try not to laugh for a while after the procedure. Seriously.I'm having my wisdom teeth removed this afternoon, and I have faith I will survive it despite the fact that kids have died during the procedure. I actually just read about this lovely girl who is the exact same age as me and looks like she could be my doppelgänger who went into cardiac arrest and later died after having her wisdom teeth removed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-teen-dies-after-dental-procedure/ I pleaded with my mom to let me not do the surgery, mainly because the only irrational phobia I've ever had in my life relates to dental procedures and this cranked my anxiety up to the imploding point. She said no, because it's necessary, and the risk of anything happening to me is still microscopically small. She's not one to win over with irrational pleas, and my dad is even less willing to be budged by them. We partake in the beautiful and exhilarating things that involve risk. We just got back from cruising in Antigua, where I also went sky diving. We survived the flight despite people having died in plane crashes, the cruise despite being having died on them, diving and playing in the waters despite teens recently being bitten by sharks and others having died by it, and sky diving despite parachutes having malfunctioned and people plummeting to their deaths. We should also partake in the banal and less pleasant things that involve risk but provide benefit, especially with the risks and benefits extend beyond ourselves.
Bathtubs and beds actually cause more injury to kids than vaccines, yet you never hear of Anti-Bathers or Anti-Bedders. Car accidents are ubiquitous, and the chance of being in one is exponentially higher than ever having an adverse reaction to a vaccine. Earlier this year there was a story on the news about this 23-year-old beautiful pregnant woman who was driving her Jeep Liberty, and due to a malfunction in it when she was crashed into from behind her car exploded and she and her unborn baby were incinerated. It's indisputably, indescribably tragic, but extraordinarily rare. So are life-impairing vaccine injuries. The "Vaccine Court" has awarded over two billion dollars to families who've been injured by vaccines over a 25+ year period. In some cases, medical advances later showed that genetic problems unknown at the time were actually what caused the problems rather than the vaccines themselves. In others the vaccines really did cause the harm. It's still but a thimble full in comparison to what automakers have paid out due to malfunctions in their products. In 2014 GM began its expansive compensation plan for victims of 2.6 million defective small cars any accidents in which the air bags in the cars failed to deploy, and was expected to be over $7 billion. That was for one problem.
There's risk everywhere, in everything, everyday. There are risks in vaccines. There are personal and communal risks to not vaccinating. I have compassion for those who are injured from vaccines. I also have compassion for those who are sick due to vaccine-preventable diseases. My life has been significantly impacted by them. I was born very prematurely, and as a fragile baby was scooped up by my brother's deliberately unvaccinated friend who had the chickenpox. He was four and snuck out of his own house and into ours when he saw my brother. He wasn't at fault, but this happened in 1998 when the vaccine was already available. I had severe complications from it that put me into the hospital for a long time. I later was diagnosed with Addison's Disease, which is virtually extinct now but used to be more commonly caused by tuberculosis infections destroying the adrenal gland. Because of my incompetent immune system I've been a human sponge picking anything up. I am at the mercy of the herd! I've had chickenpox, shingles, and whopping cough so far, things more common for people born at the end of the 19th century than the 20th. I also was peripherally exposed to the measles (didn't ever get it, thankfully) earlier this year and had to miss out on my last YAGP of my dance career because of a cautionary quarantine. A few years ago I also had whopping cough that was brutal, agonizing, and life-halting and took more than three months to fully recover from. It feels like having a tight corset around your chest and shards of glass in your lungs, all day, every day, for months. You don't appreciate the beauty and simplicity of breathing until you can't. I live in California and we are having a whopping cough epidemic with rates higher than they have been in 70 years, and that's been directly linked to the low vaccination rates. A preschool aged sibling got it and that caused an outbreak at a secondary school despite all the kids having received boosters. No vaccine has a 100% efficacy rate, which is why herd immunity is crucial.
I personally don't think vaccines should be mandatory but am in full support of them being requirements for attending any preschool, school, college, or camp, or participating in sports, dance, Scouts, and group activities, unless a licensed physician has provided a clear medical reason for an exemption. I'm starting Stanford in September, and your choices are you either submit your proof of immunization by June 30, you submit your doctor's letter explaining why you are exempt from the required vaccinations, or you don't go. Simple as that. It's mandatory for enrollment. My secondary school was exactly the same. Theatrics and hyperbole and Mercola are not indulged. There is a process at the school and Stanford where you can submit a form appealing the requirements on philosophical or religious grounds, but it has very strict criteria and few ever make it through. On Cardinal Connect we were talking about this, and there's basically like a better chance of hitching a ride on a flying pig. It would be nice if all schools could still offer such a process, but it's just not practical due to the time it would require.
Yeah, you said.Mandatory or coerced vaccines are evil...it infringes on our rights given to us by god... not by lawyers courts or governments.
I'm having my wisdom teeth removed this afternoon,
Yeah, you said.
You couldn't give any examples of vaccines being mandatory, of course.
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