mandatory vaccinations

[ebia]

"If"

Comes into law in austrialia in jan 2016... already in opperation in france and germany and other parts of europe... the doctors are fighting like mad to prevent it happening here in the uk.... it is a global agenda it will come no doubt about it.... and no matter if your pro vaccine (which i am... just no MMR) or anti vaccine to force people to be violated against their wishes is nothing more than non sexual rape

What will happen in Australia is that you lose some government benefits if you don't have children vacinated.

Given you are putting other vulnerable people that is entire reasonable.

 

[IHOM]

And they wont be able to attend school... so families plunged into poverty children dont get an education... is a good thing... very christian of you.... and cos kids are in poverty and not getting an education... they will take the kids... very christian indeed... its disgusting... no decent person can advocate this

 

[ebia]

And they wont be able to attend school... so families plunged into poverty children dont get an education... is a good thing... very christian of you.... and cos kids are in poverty and not getting an education... they will take the kids... very christian indeed... its disgusting... no decent person can advocate this

It's not reasonable to put others at risk over an irrational position. If you do so, there will be consequences. Like not being able to attend places like schools, where there are children who cannot be vaccinated.

Vaccination is effective via herd-immunity. It is not an individual choice.

There are some exceptions: diseases like tetanus that you do not catch from another person. In those cases it's your prerogative.

But for something like measles, it's not "I get vaccinated to protect me", but that everyone gets vaccinated to protect us all. You are still getting the bulk of that protection, while increasing the risk for the vulnerable. "Morality" at someone else's expense.

 

[IHOM]

Well at least my priest is more supportive. Truth is i dont think i could permit my child to be injected with stuff made using aborted children.... i know its been classed as not immoral by the church but i am very pro life and cant condone it... if i stand for christ and for pro life and my children get tool off me... so be it... i am glad i have your support

 

[ebia]

Pontifical Academy for Life:

In any case, there remains a moral duty to continue to fight and to employ every lawful means in order to make life difficult for the pharmaceutical industries which act unscrupulously and unethically. However, the burden of this important battle cannot and must not fall on innocent children and on the health situation of the population - especially with regard to pregnant women.

 

[ebia]

Well at least my priest is more supportive. Truth is i dont think i could permit my child to be injected with stuff made using aborted children.... i know its been classed as not immoral by the church but i am very pro life and cant condone it... if i stand for christ and for pro life and my children get tool off me... so be it... i am glad i have your support

Not one child will die or suffer in any way by you having the vaccine.
Children or the unborn may die and/or be inflicted with Congential Rubella Syndrome by you not having the vaccine. The risks are very high if mum catches Rubella early in pregnancy, and the consequences are awful.

If others took the same stand as you, many, many, children would be so affected. It's only kept down while vacinnation rates are close to 90%

Not having the vaccine is not really pro-life at all.

 

[Armoured]

And they wont be able to attend school... so families plunged into poverty children dont get an education... is a good thing... very christian of you.... and cos kids are in poverty and not getting an education... they will take the kids... very christian indeed... its disgusting... no decent person can advocate this

Where has anything like you describe been suggested?

 

[IHOM]

"In a paper, the Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life reaffirmed a person's RIGHT to abstain from receiving vaccines that were prepared from cells derived from aborted fetuses"

Mmandatory vaccines seek to take away this RIGHT

Here unvaccinated children exempt from school

this HTML class. Value is http://www.dailymail

 

[Armoured]

Not one child will die or suffer in any way by you having the vaccine.

Weeeeerrrrllll... in the interests of transparency and honesty, it is a fact that a tiny number of children will have an adverse reaction to their vaccine, which will cause suffering and in extreme cases, death.

Obviously the number is far smaller than the number of unvaccinated kids who will get sick and die, so it's absolutely an acceptable risk, but it must be said, if we're being honest, that "Not one child will die or suffer in any way " isn't strictly accurate.

 

[Armoured]

"In a paper, the Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life reaffirmed a person's RIGHT to abstain from receiving vaccines that were prepared from cells derived from aborted fetuses"

Mmandatory vaccines seek to take away this RIGHT

And who's making vaccines mandatory again?

People have a right not to vaccinate. They don't have a right to freedom from consequences of that decision.

 

[ebia]

Weeeeerrrrllll... in the interests of transparency and honesty, it is a fact that a tiny number of children will have an adverse reaction to their vaccine, which will cause suffering and in extreme cases, death.

Obviously the number is far smaller than the number of unvaccinated kids who will get sick and die, so it's absolutely an acceptable risk, but it must be said, if we're being honest, that "Not one child will die or suffer in any way " isn't strictly accurate.

I was simplifying very slighlty.

 

[IHOM]

Its happening across the world... california is voting on it... other parts of us has already passed it... austraillia comes into law jan 2016... france already in opperation... germany too and many other parts of the world... here in uk the doctors are fightig tooth and nail to oppose it

 

[IHOM]

Oh its not mandatory... we will just take your kids away... take it or else... is mandatory

 

[ebia]

Oh its not mandatory... we will just take your kids away... take it or else... is mandatory

Point to anywhere were legislation says kids will be taken away.

 

[ebia]

"In a paper, the Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life reaffirmed a person's RIGHT to abstain from receiving vaccines that were prepared from cells derived from aborted fetuses"

This is untrue, so far as I can find. The Pontifical Academy for Life's paper that I can find makes no such statement.

 

[IHOM]

Here is the link to my source for pont acc life.

this HTML class. Value is http://www.catholicn

It dosnt take an educated man to realise the state isnt going to allow children in poverty and not in educatio to remain with parents but...
here is story about a couple at court for refusing to vaccinate children

this HTML class. Value is http://www.theguardi

 

[ebia]

Here is the link to my source for pont acc life.

this HTML class. Value is http://www.catholicn

It dosnt take an educated man to realise the state isnt going to allow children in poverty and not in educatio to remain with parents but...
here is story about a couple at court for refusing to vaccinate children

In other words, what you have claimed is not actually true.

this HTML class. Value is http://www.theguardi

Your links don't work.

 

[IHOM]

I tried but cant get the blooming things to work... google catholics madatory vaccines... the story is in a online catholic newspaper... i think its called

And "french couple vaccines" in google news its a telegraph article out of london uk

 

[ebia]

I tried but cant get the blooming things to work... google catholics madatory vaccines... the story is in a online catholic newspaper... i think its called

And "french couple vaccines" in google news its a telegraph article out of london uk

Don't believe everything you read on the Internet?

Track down the actual paper from the pontifical academy, and it doesn't talk about rights at all.

And no country is taking or preparing to take kids away from parents over vaccines. But if parents insist on putting vulnerable people at risk then there needs to be consequences. Same as if you insist on driving without working breaks.

 

[IHOM]

I think i can trust a catholic newspaper and the guardian is probably the best newspaper here in england