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<blockquote data-quote="mindlight" data-source="post: 76390407" data-attributes="member: 21246"><p>The CDC disagrees:</p><p></p><p><em>Getting vaccinated protects against severe illness from COVID-19, including the Delta variant. Monitoring COVID-19 incidence by vaccination status might provide early signals of potential changes in vaccine effectiveness that can be confirmed through robust controlled studies.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm" target="_blank">Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases...</a></em></p><p><em></em></p><p>The estimate they give indicate that unvaccinated people have 5 times the risk of infection, 10 times the risk of hospitalization and 10 times the risk of death of unvaccinated people.</p><p></p><p>The European Medical Association echoes these views:</p><p></p><p><em>Infections in vaccinated people do not mean the vaccines are not working. No vaccine is 100% effective, although the effectiveness of all EU-authorised COVID-19 vaccines is very high.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Vaccinated people are far better protected than unvaccinated people against severe disease and death caused by SARS-CoV-2, including variants such as Delta. Vaccination greatly reduces the number of people in hospital due to COVID-19. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>As well as protecting those at highest risk of severe disease, vaccination is important for reducing the spread of the virus and preventing the emergence of new variants of concern. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><a href="https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-key-facts" target="_blank">COVID-19 vaccines: key facts | European Medicines Agency</a></em></p><p><em></em></p><p>Various fact-checkers have debunked this claim quite thoroughly showing how those who say it misuse the evidence to try and make their case:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/12/02/vaccinated-people-england-not-dying-faster-than-unvaccinated/8821594002/" target="_blank">Vaccinated people in in England are not dying faster than unvaccinated</a></p><p></p><p>This one debunks the specific fake claims made by New York reporter Alex Berenson:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/nov/30/alex-berenson/alex-berenson-misrepresents-data-death-rates-vacci/" target="_blank">PolitiFact - Alex Berenson misrepresents data on death rates by vaccination status in England</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mindlight, post: 76390407, member: 21246"] The CDC disagrees: [I]Getting vaccinated protects against severe illness from COVID-19, including the Delta variant. Monitoring COVID-19 incidence by vaccination status might provide early signals of potential changes in vaccine effectiveness that can be confirmed through robust controlled studies.[/I] [I] [URL="https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm"]Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases...[/URL] [/I] The estimate they give indicate that unvaccinated people have 5 times the risk of infection, 10 times the risk of hospitalization and 10 times the risk of death of unvaccinated people. The European Medical Association echoes these views: [I]Infections in vaccinated people do not mean the vaccines are not working. No vaccine is 100% effective, although the effectiveness of all EU-authorised COVID-19 vaccines is very high. Vaccinated people are far better protected than unvaccinated people against severe disease and death caused by SARS-CoV-2, including variants such as Delta. Vaccination greatly reduces the number of people in hospital due to COVID-19. As well as protecting those at highest risk of severe disease, vaccination is important for reducing the spread of the virus and preventing the emergence of new variants of concern. [URL="https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/vaccines-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-key-facts"]COVID-19 vaccines: key facts | European Medicines Agency[/URL] [/I] Various fact-checkers have debunked this claim quite thoroughly showing how those who say it misuse the evidence to try and make their case: [URL="https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/12/02/vaccinated-people-england-not-dying-faster-than-unvaccinated/8821594002/"]Vaccinated people in in England are not dying faster than unvaccinated[/URL] This one debunks the specific fake claims made by New York reporter Alex Berenson: [URL="https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/nov/30/alex-berenson/alex-berenson-misrepresents-data-death-rates-vacci/"]PolitiFact - Alex Berenson misrepresents data on death rates by vaccination status in England[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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