Man no better than Bacteria?

JohnR7 · Apr 3, 2006

LittleNipper said:
GOD holds the entire world in HIS hands and HIS plans will not be undone. What will be will be. I'm not going to worry about things I have no control over.

The Holy Spirit of God works though the church to restrain the world from destroying itself. That is why when the church age has come to an end, the church will be removed from the world, and will no longer be use by God to restrain.

2 Thes. 2:6-7
And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. [7] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

JohnR7 · Apr 3, 2006

LittleNipper said:
if we are ALL merely decendents of ancestors to all other creatures, then we are no better or no worse than they ----

Some people do not claim to be any more then the animals and like the animals they too will be destoryed.

2 Peter 2:12
But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption,

dad · Apr 3, 2006

Ryal Kane said:
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So don't worry about whether cockroaches are equal to us. Bacteria ARE us.

I don't worry about that at all myself, any more than I think bacteria was my distant relative. This you old agers do. So, let me see if I got the doctrine down a bit here. 'Bacteria ARE us, we are beasts, and apes are'us as well. Now, When the evo says we are on par with bacteria, he is wrong, but when he says we are equal to lizards, he is what, right?

Hydra009 · Apr 3, 2006

So...we're going from fallacies about evolution to end-times declarations and bible verses with a side of pontification?

Just curious.

TheBear · Apr 3, 2006

dad said:
I think the spiritual source is obvious here.

Not possible...Remember the split?

dad · Apr 3, 2006

GoSeminoles! said:
GoSeminoles! said:

None of this changes the fact that evolution is true.

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There has to be a fact, before we can change that fact. Evolution is only true in the sense that it is a process that has happened, and does happen, to some extent. It started in Eden, with created creatures, and you can bet you life, and your wife that you will never ever be able to prove otherwise. That is the only sense 'evolution' is true. I will add here, 'creation in 6 days of the universe is true' as well.

There are always wack jobs who can take an idea and convert it to a twisted philosophy. How many times in history has religion been perverted to justify slavery, torture, or some other evil?

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OK, so this guy is a whacko, who is quite honored in that he speaks at conferences, etc.
.. .Glad some evos know that. I'd have to say when I see someone like Pat Robertson call for assasinating latin leaders, if that story was true, I feel like saying 'you're fired'!

And on the flip side, there is Norman Borlaug. He is an American agricultural scientist and evolutionist who won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in greatly expanding crop yields in third world countries

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Good point.

dad · Apr 3, 2006

TheBear said:
Not possible...Remember the split?

There are many splits. Jesus had to split heaven to come to earth. The devil (depending on the interpretation) either did, or will have to split from heaven as well, cast to earth, mad as a wet hornet. Noah had to split the world, never to be seen by men there again. Christians soon have to split the world as well in the rapture. The mount of Olives will split in two, from east to west soon. (I heard a rumor there was a crack, or fault east to west on it already?) So many splits, so little time.

dad · Apr 3, 2006

Nooj said:
Of course lizards have as much a place on the planet as we do. It's their homes too isn't it?

Lot's of things have a place here, God made them. Doesn't mean they get equal rights, and say, if a million beings had to die, they ought to pick half humans, and half lizards.

dad · Apr 3, 2006

Hydra009 said:
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Ryal Kane raises an interesting point - the human body is full of bacteria, plus each and every human cell is powered by an endosymbiotic bacteria known as mitochondria. Without bacteria, we'd all die very quickly. So yes, in a very literal sense, we are bacteria.

In a literal sense, we are more than bacteria. Just like we are more than beasts. The evos need to step out of the box of looking only at the physical. I have air in my lungs, am I air? I may have water in my stomach, am I water? Some may have things in their bowels, are they that?

LittleNipper · Apr 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
The Holy Spirit of God works though the church to restrain the world from destroying itself. That is why when the church age has come to an end, the church will be removed from the world, and will no longer be use by God to restrain.

2 Thes. 2:6-7
And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. [7] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

But CHRIST is going to return to THIS earth with those of the raptured CHURCH and rule over THIS earth with a rod of iron for 1000 years. Satan will be in chains during that time period. Revelations chapters 19 & 20

LittleNipper · Apr 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
Some people do not claim to be any more then the animals and like the animals they too will be destoryed.

2 Peter 2:12
But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption,

What they claim and what they are are two entirely different things. Like wild beasts is not the same as being wild beasts.

dad · Apr 3, 2006

JohnR7 said:
JohnR7 said:

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I believe that within fifty years the world population will have been reduced to 10 percent of what it had been. I can not say 10 % of it's current number, because it will grow before it is reduced.

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Well, the bible does speak of a nuclear war, and dreaded bio terror in the last days. Take your pick, now the evos are prophesying as well, leaving God out, of course!

Just like there was a extinction before God repopulated the earth 6000 years ago. Even though we know that something went wrong back in the Garden of Eden and God's plans have been delayed a little bit. But His purpose will be served and He will get this earth back to His plan and purpose.

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This I guess is your way to reconcile the bible with evidence. I understand. I like the split better, as it covers the future as well.

LittleNipper · Apr 3, 2006

Hydra009 said:
So... fallacies about evolution..... .

If evolution exists at all, it likely explains why there are big, small, round, long, green, red and green tomatoes. It in no way explains why there are tomatoes, lettuce, onions, and peppers. The explanation is salad

dad · Apr 3, 2006

yasic said:
yasic said:

Evolutionists come in many shapes and sizes

You can find evolutionists who donate alot to charity and do tons of community service

You can find evolutionists who are serial killers and murderers.

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Right, this guy, I guess was booed out of the evo gathering then. Oh, wait, guess not...

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"Smarter people have fewer kids," Mims quoted Pianka as saying. Following the question-and-answer session, Mims says "almost every scientist, professor and college student present stood to their feet and vigorously applauded the man who had enthusiastically endorsed the elimination of 90 percent of the human population. "

And while the theory of evolution says nothing about who should live and who shouldn't, some people interpret it (or more correctly use how the enviorment on the planet works and many other factors) to determine that people are evil and should die.

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It puts man as beasts, that says a lot.

Our fellow YEC are not so diffrent. I know sevral YEC who believe no animal but humans deserves any rights, and that all animals should be tortured, have their land removen, eaten, enslaved, or anything else that makes us happy. In fact we should not even worry about if all the animals will die out in a couple hundred years, as hey, we wont be here then, right?

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Personally, I don't believe in animal testing, generally. Maybe a canary at the coal mine or a few things. Not dolphins carrying explosives, etc, though. I hate the way they treat chickens, I think they ought to be pretty close to free range as possible. I think zoo animals should have huge huge areas. I think we ought to treat them as nicely as possible, as fellow creations. Not equals.

dad · Apr 3, 2006

LittleNipper said:
If evolution exists at all, it likely explains why there are big, small, round, long, green, red and green tomatoes. It in no way explains why there are tomatoes, lettuce, onions, and peppers. The explanation is salad

Right, simply a neat factor, and ability His creations were equiped with, that seems to be drastically reduced after the flood time.

Hydra009 · Apr 3, 2006

dad said:
In a literal sense, we are more than bacteria. Just like we are more than beasts. The evos need to step out of the box of looking only at the physical. I have air in my lungs, am I air? I may have water in my stomach, am I water? Some may have things in their bowels, are they that?

I might agree with you if bacteria were just superfulous stowaways in the human body, and not essential part of every human cell. Furthermore, the eukaryotic cell itself is just a prokaryotic (bacterial) cell with a nucleus and organelles. So in a very real sense, all human cells (and all eukaryotic plants and animals) are essentially variants of bacterial cells.

And actually, yes, you (and every other living human being) are about 70% water.

Frumious Bandersnatch · Apr 3, 2006

Man may think he is the pinnacle of God's creation but in reality we are all just walking incubators for billions of bacteria and mobile habitats for countless tiny bugs.

Tacticus · Apr 3, 2006

In these quotes of Pianka's speech the point that is being missed is that he is speaking from a mainly ecological and not a purely evolutionary standpoint.

We are the ones screwing up the planet not lizards or bacteria: that's why he picks on humans.

Although he was in favour of an airborne mutation to ebola he was saying that this mutation would probably arise naturally, not that someone should unleash it.

The fact is that we are overpopulating the planet. At some point the resources will run dry and a lot of people are going to die.

In fact you can already see this happening in the poorest parts of Africa and/or where despotic regimes have control over the resources.

A point to remember about the reception of the speech is that Dr. Pianka is a self-proclaimed "doomsday ecologist". He is also a good public speaker and seems to be the anti-Hovind according to his students(google Dr Pianka biology 304).

This would bias the type of audience to show up to a speech given by him in the same way a Hovind lecture would be attended by people who want to hear what he has to say.

To finish I would like to say that I entirely disagree with Dr Pianka's approach to an answer to overpopulation. Although evolution doesn't advocate a moral system, a social species neccesitates certain behavioural rules that are enforced by society in general and ingrained in the cultural consciousness. Therefore religion is not strictly necessary to provide a moral standard.

dad · Apr 3, 2006

Hydra009 said:
I might agree with you if bacteria were just superfulous stowaways in the human body, and not essential part of every human cell. Furthermore, the eukaryotic cell itself is just a prokaryotic (bacterial) cell with a nucleus and organelles. So in a very real sense, all human cells (and all eukaryotic plants and animals) are essentially variants of bacterial cells.

And actually, yes, you (and every other living human being) are about 70% water.

Right, so our physical bodies are 70% water, with a healthy dose of bacteria, and a bit of air, minerals, and the odd virus. "We" are more than the sum of our physical parts. If I drive a car, I am not, say, a honda. I am a being inside that assemblege of parts. Our body is an assemblege of parts as well. The classification of men as animals is something bestowed by those who do not understand we are more than water, and bacteria!

Like this lizard man, who had the evo hall standing and applauding.
"They also chuckled when he suggested it was time to sterilize everyone on Earth. "

dad · Apr 3, 2006

Frumious Bandersnatch said:
Man may think he is the pinnacle of God's creation but in reality we are all just walking incubators for billions of bacteria and mobile habitats for countless tiny bugs.

Just a bact sack, eh?

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